"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

Super is on break for a week isn't it? Or am I mistaken?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'll ask here because it'll lost in the other thread.

Someone explain all these Zamasu's to me.

Now...the Zamasu in this episode, the green one, that's Zamasu from Trunks' timeline yeah?

The Zamasu who used the Super Dragon Balls to become Goku...is that the present Zamasu who Goku fought as a Super Saiyan because they showed a flashback to that. However he was killed and I didn't see anything to explain that.

Is there a third Zamasu?

I'll keep it simple:

Zamasu #1 was from our main timeline, he was killed by Beerus.

Zamasu #2 was from the Future, he is now immortal.

Zamasu #3 (a.k.a. Goku Black) comes from a timeline where Trunks never came to the past, but Goku still went to Universe 10 and fought Zamasu (for reasons that will probably never be explained). This is likely a result of the same hidden timeline effect that occurred during the Jinzoningen Arc.

The one thing I'm wondering is if the Super Dragon Balls are destroyed for all timelines or just the one Future Zamasu #3 was in?

I was under the impression that they were only destroyed in Trunks' timeline, but I could be mistaken.

[Sodhi]

Super is on break for a week isn't it? Or am I mistaken?

Nope no break next week

[DBS916]

Super is on break for a week isn't it? Or am I mistaken?

Nope no break next week

Thank God! I hated that were multiple breaks between episodes; messed up the flow of the saga. Still I tuned in like clock work regardless.

[Michelle91]

I hope we see Zalama soon. The Super Dragon Balls being destroy must have got his attention somehow.

[DBS916]

I hope we see Zalama soon. The Super Dragon Balls being destroy must have got his attention somehow.

To be honest I prefer him to be an unseen character because it would ruin his mystique. If that makes sense. Though it would be cool to see a sentient dragon race from which Zalama originated from.

[Bullza]

Yeah see this is confusing me.

If Black was a third Zamasu...well when he showed up in the past he knew who Vegeta was. When he fought Goku he acted as though he'd never fought him before because he says "So this is the power of Super Saiyan Goku".

So this would be a Zamasu who apparently knew Goku and Vegeta and yet never fought Goku?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Yeah see this is confusing me.

If Black was a third Zamasu...well when he showed up in the past he knew who Vegeta was. When he fought Goku he acted as though he'd never fought him before because he says "So this is the power of Super Saiyan Goku".

So this would be a Zamasu who apparently knew Goku and Vegeta and yet never fought Goku?

It could very well just be a mistake.

[DainIronfoot]

Yeah see this is confusing me.

If Black was a third Zamasu...well when he showed up in the past he knew who Vegeta was. When he fought Goku he acted as though he'd never fought him before because he says "So this is the power of Super Saiyan Goku".

So this would be a Zamasu who apparently knew Goku and Vegeta and yet never fought Goku?

We knew that Black fought him before when he said I also wanted to fight you in this body. When he said "So this is the power of Super Saiyan Goku" he was referring to the power going into his body as he was ingraining it into himself. That's also why his ki slightly increased at that point too.


I just want to know how Black got his clothes lol.

As for how he knew Vegeta...it could just be things from the timeline he comes from. He probably saw Goku and Vegeta on Godtube or something. He possibly could just know from Zuno. Zuno after all told him EVERYTHING about Goku. Most likely this included his main rival, etc

[TheMikado]

I'm still not understanding how Zamasu I'm Gokus body managed to kill his family and Vegeta and Gohan when he should only be at base levels and Vegeta could go SSJ2 and Gohan ultimate. Also was this during Beerus time? Because with the amount of time they hang around I would think they would have noticed? Trunks was fightin Black alone for years by himself when Black was in a much stronger state. And why is Black getting stronger but Golus not?

[Xeztin]

I think this Trunks form is a Toei thing and is on par with Goku's SSJ3 like in the manga except in the manga Trunks looks like his normal SSJ2 self. I think it's basically Toei's version of what Toyotaro did with SSJ2 being on par with SSJ3, except in the anime it has a different appearance. Toyotaro will make up a new form for Trunks or have him use SSG/SSJB would be my bet. I just can't see him doing double auras which is probably why he swayed from the SSJB Kaioken thing.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think this Trunks form is a Toei thing and is on par with Goku's SSJ3 like in the manga except in the manga Trunks looks like his normal SSJ2 self. I think it's basically Toei's version of what Toyotaro did with SSJ2 being on par with SSJ3, except in the anime it has a different appearance. Toyotaro will make up a new form for Trunks or have him use SSG/SSJB would be my bet. I just can't see him doing double auras which is probably why he swayed from the SSJB Kaioken thing.

We probably won't know for a few more months, although it's an interesting idea.

[Bullza]

It's all so confusing, I've had to write out and delete this multiple times already .

So the original Zamasu must have met Goku somehow but it couldn't have been for the same reason as to why Goku met Zamasu the main timeline because that only happened due to Blacks appearance.

Which would met the original Zamasu met Goku for some unexplained reason. Now you say that the two fought but when Zamasu switched bodies with Goku...Goku didn't seem to know who Zamasu was did he?

So the Goku that Zamasu switched bodies with isn't the one that Zamasu fought?

Plus when Black was talking they showed the flashback which seemed to imply that that was when he fought Goku but that couldn't have happened in the original timeline without Black existing first or Goku would never have gone there.

[Xeztin]

I think this Trunks form is a Toei thing and is on par with Goku's SSJ3 like in the manga except in the manga Trunks looks like his normal SSJ2 self. I think it's basically Toei's version of what Toyotaro did with SSJ2 being on par with SSJ3, except in the anime it has a different appearance. Toyotaro will make up a new form for Trunks or have him use SSG/SSJB would be my bet. I just can't see him doing double auras which is probably why he swayed from the SSJB Kaioken thing.

We probably won't know for a few more months, although it's an interesting idea.

I'm banking on it being some kind of half-breed version of SSJ3 but they'll probably never say what it is or where it stands other than it being "Super Trunks".

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Which would met the original Zamasu met Goku for some unexplained reason. Now you say that the two fought but when Zamasu switched bodies with Goku...Goku didn't seem to know who Zamasu was did he?

So the Goku that Zamasu switched bodies with isn't the one that Zamasu fought?

Where do you get this from? He was confused that he was suddenly in someone else's body.

Which Zamasu is which isn't even debatable anymore, this episode tied every knot.

[Bullza]

When Zamasu switched bodies with Goku and Goku became Zamasu did he know that he was Zamasu?

The way the flashback fit into makes it seem as though Black met and fought Goku in the exact same way that the Zamasu who died did. Then after that it looks like in one version of events Beerus showed up and killed Zamasu but in another he didn't and Zamasu killed Gowasu and took his earring and timering as he'd intended and then became Black.

So there'd be a difference in Zamasu's history somewhere between his first and second meeting with Goku.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

When Zamasu switched bodies with Goku and Goku became Zamasu did he know that he was Zamasu?

The way the flashback fit into makes it seem as though Black met and fought Goku in the exact same way that the Zamasu who died did. Then after that it looks like in one version of events Beerus showed up and killed Zamasu but in another he didn't and Zamasu killed Gowasu and took his earring and timering as he'd intended and then became Black.

So there'd be a difference in Zamasu's history somewhere between his first and second meeting with Goku.

Sure, but it's not relevant enough to worry all that much about about. Maybe Toyotaro will do better at explaining it.

[Xeztin]

Which would met the original Zamasu met Goku for some unexplained reason. Now you say that the two fought but when Zamasu switched bodies with Goku...Goku didn't seem to know who Zamasu was did he?

So the Goku that Zamasu switched bodies with isn't the one that Zamasu fought?

Where do you get this from? He was confused that he was suddenly in someone else's body.

Which Zamasu is which isn't even debatable anymore, this episode tied every knot.

This is my understanding/guessing.
Present Zamasu (number 1) That Goku fought as a SSJ2 died at the hands of Beerus and that's the end of him because of his evil attempt. Because Beerus is a God normally eliminating one Zamasu would erase him in all timelines.

Black (number 2) came from a timeline different than ours and Future Trunks's. Apparently, Trunks never came back in this one because he had no knowledge of Black or Zamasu because Black did not yet exist. Zamasu was still in his original body, and he may have met Goku through different means than what we seen in the anime. He wished to switch bodies with Goku and then went to kill him off along with his family. Because he had the time-ring, he was able to survive even though Beerus killed the Present Zamasu in our timeline. After he killed Goku and his family, he sought a time-line with no God of Destruction (Taking this from the manga) which was Trunks's timeline. (I'm guessing he killed the remaining God's of Destruction.)

Future Zamasu (Number 3) is from Future Trunks' timeline and was visited by Black whom he asked for help, I'm guessing by help he meant taking over this timeline and killing the remaining God's of Destruction. Future Zamasu wished for immortality as well.

Also Black destroyed the Super Balls from my understanding, since they were killed by a God I'm guessing the Super Balls don't exist in any timeline, (Similar to how Beerus said Zamasu wouldn't exist in any timeline after death because he is a God) This is the best I can explain it from my knowledge.

I think it happened in this order: Number 2, Number 3, and Number 1.

[Alee9977]

Here goes my theory:

So, there are four timelines:
#1: Future Trunks timeline, where everything is happening
#2: DBS main timeline
#3: Cell's timeline
#4: Timeline where Zamasu changes his body with Goku's and kills him and his family. I assume this timeline separated from the main timeline because Trunks travelled to the second timeline, so this is what would have happened if Trunks never travelled back to the past.

Everything starts in timeline 4, where after the fight with Goku (maybe Goku met him at the universal tournament of Zeno), Zamasu gets annoyed because of that, kills Gowasu, steals the time ring and changes his body with Goku's, then he goes to the future looking for a partner and finds Zamasu from timeline #1, there they use the sdb to wish for immortality, they kill all the gods and then they start killing the humans until they reach the Earth in U7.

[Xeztin]

Here goes my theory:

So, there are four timelines:
#1: Future Trunks timeline, where everything is happening
#2: DBS main timeline
#3: Cell's timeline
#4: Timeline where Zamasu changes his body with Goku's and kills him and his family. I assume this timeline separated from the main timeline because Trunks travelled to the second timeline, so this is what would have happened if Trunks never travelled back to the past.

Everything starts in timeline 4, where after the fight with Goku (maybe Goku met him at the universal tournament of Zeno), Zamasu gets annoyed because of that, kills Gowasu, steals the time ring and changes his body with Goku's, then he goes to the future looking for a partner and finds Zamasu from timeline #1, there they use the sdb to wish for immortality, they kill all the gods and then they start killing the humans until they reach the Earth in U7.

This is pretty much my understanding, I also would go on to say that Black didn't see Super Saiyan Blue until he met Timeline 2's Goku (our main timeline). He may have seen SSJ2 or 3 but that may have been it. I think to meet Zamasu at least the BoG arc had to happen in timeline 4, even though its pretty irrelevant at what stage he met Goku or during what arc. I think meeting Beerus and Whis had to happen before he could meet Zamasu though.