The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:11 pm

Alright, let's change it up a bit and make the monkey stronger :lol:

SSJ Great Ape Gohan (25th WMAT) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Gohan's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:34 pm

Angelus wrote:Alright, let's change it up a bit and make the monkey stronger :lol:

SSJ Great Ape Gohan (25th WMAT) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Gohan's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.
Almost dead even. Gohan wins because of how Super Saiyan 3 taxes Goku.

A couple of fights:

Moori vs Appule.
Android 8 vs Goku [Post Karin].
Android 20 [vs Piccolo] vs Mecha Freeza.
Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu [All from the Boo arc] vs Vegeta [vs First Form Freeza].
Young Roshi [on his prime] vs Goku [22nd Budokai].
Merged Zamasu vs Beerus.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by AvatarReiko » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:58 pm

SSJR Black vs BOG SSJG Goku(Red)
Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
Hypothetical Zamack vs Beerus
SSJ2 Trunks vs Golden Frieza
Base Black(First Goku Fight) vs ROF 4th Form Frieza
Hit(Full Power) vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post-Training)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:41 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:SSJR Black vs BOG SSJG Goku(Red)
Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
Hypothetical Zamack vs Beerus
SSJ2 Trunks vs Golden Frieza
Base Black(First Goku Fight) vs ROF 4th Form Frieza
Hit(Full Power) vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post-Training)
1) Black oneshots.
2) Zamasu wins with medium difficulty.
3) Frieza wins with low difficulty.
4) Base Black gets his ass handed to him until his Zenkais put him above Frieza.
5) Hit wrecks Vegeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:02 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) A hypothetical Super Saiyan 4 Goku (from the Future Trunks Saga of Dragon Ball Super, if in his rage over the deaths of his loved ones, he had achieved Super Saiyan 4 like how GT Vegeta had done in the Dragon Ball Heroes Jaaku Mission six trailer, but with Super Saiyan 4 multiplying from the power of Super Saiyan Blue instead of normal Super Saiyan) vs. Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black.

2) What if as a consequence for his refusal to learn from his mistakes, the canon Gohan from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection F had switched places with his Super Saiyan GT Gohan (Assault on the Hell Gate Saga self) just before fighting alongside the Z Fighters against both the Galactic Frieza Army and First Form Frieza?

3) Also the point of which GT Gohan had been taken would be from just after the GT Warriors teamed up to defeat Super 17.
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Age 779

Isle of Dread...

Just as he had been sent into an alternate past by Darkness Towa, Sorbet gives the order for the Frieza Force to charge after the Earth's Special Forces. Leaving Gohan to wipe out the battalion of Frieza Soldiers in the blink of an eye, his display of brutality surprising even the Dreaded Emperor Frieza himself. Just before the heartless Demon of a tyrant is sent flying out of his Hover Pod by a single kick to the jaw by the Super Saiyan son of Goku and caught by the tip of his tail just before he would have smashed face-first into the mountain just behind him. Snapping one elbow forward even as he pulled the evil Frieza to him, Gohan smashes the tyrant's upper back with his elbow and then smoothly turns his head to the right to dodge a sudden beam of thin laser-like energy before turning around to face Sorbet and raising two fingers at him. The last living member of the dreaded Planet Trade Organization loyal to Frieza is then blasted through the chest by Son Gohan's Special Beam Cannon, but the son of Goku is then smashed in the back of his skull by a Death Beam by Frieza. Even so, Gohan is barely stung by the signature move of the Evil Emperor, and swiftly counters with a precise backfist square to the tyrant's face.

Seeing stars and feeling himself gushing purple blood out from his nose, Frieza could barely make out Gohan's next blow and grimaced in utter agony as he felt his spine almost having been ripped right of his back as he was sent flying once more by another roundhouse kick by Gohan. Now dropping the useless tail of the Scourge of the Universe, the Super Saiyan protégé of Piccolo had slowly raised his hands above his head and then thrusted them forward as he screamed.

“MASENKO…HAAAA!”

And the still-airborne Emperor of the Universe barely had any time whatsoever to react as the golden blast bled out of Gohan's palms and rushed toward him before he then was slowly disintegrated into absolutely nothing by Gohan's Ultimate Masenko.

Gohan relaxed, dropping out of his Super Saiyan state. “So…with now that out of the way, would anyone care to explain to me what happened before I showed up?”

The looks on the faces of the cluster of Z Fighters were priceless.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:10 pm

Here's one:

Future Trunks Saga Lazuli vs. Future Trunks Saga Krillin
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:14 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's one:

Future Trunks Saga Lazuli vs. Future Trunks Saga Krillin
Krillin would effortlessly wreck her.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:00 am

AvatarReiko wrote:SSJR Black vs BOG SSJG Goku(Red)
Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
Hypothetical Zamack vs Beerus
SSJ2 Trunks vs Golden Frieza
Base Black(First Goku Fight) vs ROF 4th Form Frieza
Hit(Full Power) vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post-Training)
1. Are you serious? :lol: Base Black one-shots.
2. Zamasu is at least stronger than current Ssj Goku, who's above Buuhan.
3. We don't know yet. Probably Beerus.
4. Ssj2 Trunks (post training) would lose, Super Trunks would one-shot. Yeah it doesn't make sense but this is Super.
5. Since I believe in the two base theory... Frieza wins.
Beyond God Goku = Final form Frieza (ROF) >>> Black Goku >= Ssj3 Goku (Black Goku saga).
6. Hit's full power? With him being able to use his killing techniques? Hit wins, no contest here.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:46 am

Angelus wrote:SSJ Great Ape Vegeta (Cell Games) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Vegeta's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.
Going Super Great Ape boosts Vegeta to a level above Fat Boo, but that's about it. SS3 Goku is significantly stronger and easily wins as long as he doesn't mess around.
Angelus wrote:Alright, let's change it up a bit and make the monkey stronger :lol:

SSJ Great Ape Gohan (25th WMAT) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Gohan's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.
The two are practically even in raw power, but Gohan loses badly. As with the Oozaru Goku vs King Piccolo match a few pages back, a dumb animal like Super Oozaru Gohan isn't going to win any matches against an opponent who can strategize without a massive power advantage, especially a fighting prodigy like Goku.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:14 pm

Hm, will SSJ Great Ape Gohan win if he has full control of his great ape form?

.. and here's another one XD

SSJ Gotenks
(Pre-ROSAT) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (No absorbing or candy beam. No fusion time limit)

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Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:20 pm

Angelus wrote:Hm, will SSJ Great Ape Gohan win if he has full control of his great ape form?

.. and here's another one XD

SSJ Gotenks
(Pre-ROSAT) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (No absorbing or candy beam. No fusion time limit)
Ssj Gotenks, easily.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:48 pm

Angelus wrote:Hm, will SSJ Great Ape Gohan win if he has full control of his great ape form?

.. and here's another one XD

SSJ Gotenks
(Pre-ROSAT) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (No absorbing or candy beam. No fusion time limit)
- Gohan has a much better chance at winning if he's in control of himself as a Great Ape, and now holds a stamina advantage over SS3 Goku. I'd also imagine that the Great Ape form is a lot tougher than the power increase would usually allow, but Gohan's still rusty and being able to fight effectively with that huge increase in size and the new proportions probably takes some practice. Either way, the drain on Goku's stamina likely costs him the win, unless he works to finish the fight as soon as possible. Gohan wins 6 out of 10 times.
- Before hoping in the Time Chamber, Super Saiyan Gotenks is still apparently weaker than SS2 Vegeta. Pure Evil Boo makes up the majority of fat Boo's power, and Fat Boo is roughly twice as strong as the Super Saiyan 2s. Odds are the two are about equal, but Boo still has regeneration and Gotenks is still an arrogant, showoffy little kid. Pure Evil Boo likely wins without too much trouble.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:13 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:Here's one:

Future Trunks Saga Lazuli vs. Future Trunks Saga Krillin
Krillin would effortlessly wreck her.
Seriously?

Is this how far the android trio have fallen?
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Post by PelicanDynasty » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:38 pm

Vs Red Ribbon Army Matches

Goku took on the whole Red Ribbon Army without much trouble, give a yes or no if you think the following people could have also done it. They can have Arale help them with General Blue since Goku got that luxury, and we'll say they get some training from Korin to help deal with Tao.

-Giran
-Nam
-Roshi (Post 21st WMAT)
-Chiaotzu (22nd WMAT)
-Krillin (22nd WMAT)

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Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:36 pm

PelicanDynasty wrote:Vs Red Ribbon Army Matches

Goku took on the whole Red Ribbon Army without much trouble, give a yes or no if you think the following people could have also done it. They can have Arale help them with General Blue since Goku got that luxury, and we'll say they get some training from Korin to help deal with Tao.

-Giran
-Nam
-Roshi (Post 21st WMAT)
-Chiaotzu (22nd WMAT)
-Krillin (22nd WMAT)
I don't think that Giran or Namu would finish their Karin training in time to get stronger than Tao-Pai-Pai. Either Upa gets killed and Tao-Pai-Pai climbs the tower himself, or they go down before they're properly prepared to save him and get killed. I don't think either one of them would've survived their first encounter with Blue in the pirate cave either. But, assuming that they do miraculously survive all that, I guess that they would take out the whole army by themselves, since they would need to be about as strong as post-Karin Goku was to get the Super Holy Water in the first place.

Kuririn or Yamcha could do the whole thing without Karin's or Arale's assistance since, in my mind, by the time the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai rolls around, they're already at least as strong as post-Karin Goku was.
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Post by Zamasu55 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:02 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
AvatarReiko wrote:SSJR Black vs BOG SSJG Goku(Red)
Future Zamasu vs Buuhan
Hypothetical Zamack vs Beerus
SSJ2 Trunks vs Golden Frieza
Base Black(First Goku Fight) vs ROF 4th Form Frieza
Hit(Full Power) vs SSJ Blue Vegeta(Post-Training)
1. Are you serious? :lol: Base Black one-shots.
2. Zamasu is at least stronger than current Ssj Goku, who's above Buuhan.
3. We don't know yet. Probably Beerus.
4. Ssj2 Trunks (post training) would lose, Super Trunks would one-shot. Yeah it doesn't make sense but this is Super.
5. Since I believe in the two base theory... Frieza wins.
Beyond God Goku = Final form Frieza (ROF) >>> Black Goku >= Ssj3 Goku (Black Goku saga).
6. Hit's full power? With him being able to use his killing techniques? Hit wins, no contest here.
I actually thought you said "Present Zamasu". :mrgreen:
Future Zamasu one-shots Buuhan anyway.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:10 pm

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)
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Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:12 pm

Noah wrote:New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)
Is Gero a regular human or an Android?
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Post by Noah » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:14 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:Is Gero a regular human or an Android?
Er... Huh, yes... He's as an android.
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Post by DanielSSJ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:28 pm

Noah wrote:New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Dr. Gero is a few notches weaker than Freeza, and since Ki blasts are banned, he's going to have a much harder time getting an opportunity to absorb the tyrant's Ki. I think this turns out much like the Piccolo vs Gero fight in the series.
- I'm assuming you mean Super, in which case I skip the match.
- I'm one of those who takes Gohan's "If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…" statement as meaning that they could overtake him in a few years, not that they're on the verge of surpassing him right then and there. As such, the Great Saiyaman could easily beat Goten without too much trouble.
- There's no real way to tell. I suppose if any of the Kaioshin were to be SS2 tier, it would be South Kaioshin, but that's making a lot of assumptions.
- Piccolo and Trunks are probably about even in terms of power, but Piccolo is much more skilled and experienced, not to mention his more esoteric Namekian-based abilities, whereas Trunks likely has a bit of a physical strength and toughness advantage, due to his Saiyan biology. Odds are Piccolo wins.
- Whatever durability advantage Reacoom has is likely offset by Butta's speed advantage. My money's on the "fastest in the universe".
- In my opinion, Gogeta is at least as strong as Ultimate Gohan, and wastes Evil Boo about as easily has he did Janemba.
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