"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Alee9977]

Here goes my theory:

So, there are four timelines:
#1: Future Trunks timeline, where everything is happening
#2: DBS main timeline
#3: Cell's timeline
#4: Timeline where Zamasu changes his body with Goku's and kills him and his family. I assume this timeline separated from the main timeline because Trunks travelled to the second timeline, so this is what would have happened if Trunks never travelled back to the past.

Everything starts in timeline 4, where after the fight with Goku (maybe Goku met him at the universal tournament of Zeno), Zamasu gets annoyed because of that, kills Gowasu, steals the time ring and changes his body with Goku's, then he goes to the future looking for a partner and finds Zamasu from timeline #1, there they use the sdb to wish for immortality, they kill all the gods and then they start killing the humans until they reach the Earth in U7.

This is pretty much my understanding, I also would go on to say that Black didn't see Super Saiyan Blue until he met Timeline 2's Goku (our main timeline). He may have seen SSJ2 or 3 but that may have been it. I think to meet Zamasu at least the BoG arc had to happen in timeline 4, even though its pretty irrelevant at what stage he met Goku or during what arc. I think meeting Beerus and Whis had to happen before he could meet Zamasu though.

Well, he didn't get impressed when he saw SSB Vegeta, in fact, he was smiling and Trunks made a comment about this saying that he didn't even got amazed by seeing SSB, so it seems he already saw it before.

[Bullza]

I'd originally figured that it was as you had said.

The third Zamasu would have to have been from the original timeline where he would have met Goku and Vegeta under completely different circumstances as Black wouldnt have existed.

Zamasu would have fought Goku, lost and then used the Super Dragon Balls to switch with him.

But the flashback they showed is throwing me off because when Black was talking to Goku about how he'd been defeated by him they showed the clip from a previous episode where Goku defeated him.

So it would mean that this third Zamasu aka Black had the same history as the Present Zamasu at least up to that point.

But that Zamasu didn't know who Vegeta was so why should Black? You can't say that he knew about Vegeta from the Godtube either because then he'd have known about Super Saiyan Blue and he didn't.

[Alee9977]

I'd originally figured that it was as you had said.

The third Zamasu would have to have been from the original timeline where he would have met Goku and Vegeta under completely different circumstances as Black wouldnt have existed.

Zamasu would have fought Goku, lost and then used the Super Dragon Balls to switch with him.

But the flashback they showed is throwing me off because when Black was talking to Goku about how he'd been defeated by him they showed the clip from a previous episode where Goku defeated him.

So it would mean that this third Zamasu aka Black had the same history as the Present Zamasu at least up to that point.

But that Zamasu didn't know who Vegeta was so why should Black? You can't say that he knew about Vegeta from the Godtube either because then he'd have known about Super Saiyan Blue and he didn't.

It's impossible they have the same story until that point because the main reason why they visited Zamasu was to confirm if he was Black or not.
The only thing they showed from the previous episode was the punch that put Zamasu on the ground and then Goku smiling to him, that's something that could have happened in any other circunstances.
Because of differente circumstances and he could have met both Goku and Vegeta. And Black never showed any sign of not knowing SSB so we don't really know that, I assume he knows it, because he wouldn't transform into SSR.

[Bullza]

I suppose it's possible that in the original timeline Goku and Vegeta ended up in Universe 10's Sacred World of the Kai's for a completely different reason and then Goku had a fight with Zamasu that played out exactly the same as in the main timeline.

[vashter]

I been crying all damn night how that ep was greatest ep of all time lol

[Freeza9000]

This fool simply does not get it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXP_L9Os7g

[Freeza9000]

I just find this screenshot to be quite palpable.

[dragonballhero]

Oh, man. This is such a cluster**** of timelines, I...I....I don't even know what the heck I'm supposed to follow here.

Seriously, I'll be amazed if the Supreme Kai of Time DOESN'T appear in Dragon Ball Super at SOME point.

Also, props to Zamasu. Pulling a King Piccolo, good on him!

BTW, Goku, Chi-Chi, and Goten's deaths at the hands of Black... Seriously, I was CHILLED up to my spine once I heard Chi-Chi and Goten's BLOOD-CURLING screams for help. Even DBZ NEVER had a moment to do such a thing to me. Honestly, I was close to shedding a tear...

[Sonicjamareiz]

This fool simply does not get it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXP_L9Os7g

This is why I don't watch youtuber reviews other than Geekdom101

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, the Super anime seems to have a plot-hole:

Zamasu became with Goku after they fought, so he killed Gowasu, stole Goku's body with the Super Dragon Balls, went to Trunks' timeline to recruit Future Zamasu & make him immortal, and then destroyed the Super Dragon Balls & all other gods. After that, they started eradicated the mortals across the universes, and eventually came to Earth, and Trunks went back in time to bring help. On their quest to find out who Goku Black was, Goku fought with Zamasu from his timeline. But why would Goku fight with Zamasu in Black's timeline, which was a timeline that Future Trunks never visited after Cell's death? So, we have a paradox that doesn't make sense.

At least the manga doesn't have this problem, since in the manga, Zamasu became interested in Goku's body after hearing from U7 Kaioshin that Goku surpassed the Kaioshin & defeated Majin Boo, which had nothing to do with Trunks' visit in Super.

[ArchedThunder]

Black's timeline is likely identical to "ours" through the Tournament, so Zamasu probably learned about Goku from Godtube and that lead to their fight.
Or there is no extra timeline (Gowasu said the most recent split happened years ago) and Black comes from a paradoxical non existent time. Basically it would mean Trunks has to come back in time for Black to be born, but Beerus will always kill Zamasu before he becomes Black, but it doesn't kill him in the future because of his time ring so the events will always happen. This would mean Trunks doesn't create a new timeline by coming for help to fight Black because he's not traveling to his past, but an entirely different universe.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Black's timeline is likely identical to "ours" through the Tournament, so Zamasu probably learned about Goku from Godtube and that lead to their fight.

But Black says that he fought Goku.

Or there is no extra timeline (Gowasu said the most recent split happened years ago) and Black comes from a paradoxical non existent time. Basically it would mean Trunks has to come back in time for Black to be born, but Beerus will always kill Zamasu before he becomes Black, but it doesn't kill him in the future because of his time ring so the events will always happen. This would mean Trunks doesn't create a new timeline by coming for help to fight Black because he's not traveling to his past, but an entirely different universe.

There doesn't seem to be an extra timeline. Let's go by the timelines from Daizenshuu:

Timeline 1 (Trunks' timeline)
Timeline 2 (main timeline)
Timeline 3 (Cell's timeline)
Timeline 4 (unseen timeline)

After Black went to Trunks' world & Trunks returned to the past, this happened:

Timeline 1 (Trunks' timeline)
Timeline 2a (original main timeline/Black's timeline) replaced by Timeline 2b
Timeline 2b (main timeline)
Timeline 3 (Cell's timeline)
Timeline 4 (unseen timeline)

[ArchedThunder]

Black's timeline is likely identical to "ours" through the Tournament, so Zamasu probably learned about Goku from Godtube and that lead to their fight.

But Black says that he fought Goku.

I said he would have seen his fight with Hit on Godtube and because of that Zamasu would fight Goku.
"This filthy ningen has a goddly aura, I need to show him his place."

[vashter]

Black's timeline is likely identical to "ours" through the Tournament, so Zamasu probably learned about Goku from Godtube and that lead to their fight.

But Black says that he fought Goku.

Or there is no extra timeline (Gowasu said the most recent split happened years ago) and Black comes from a paradoxical non existent time. Basically it would mean Trunks has to come back in time for Black to be born, but Beerus will always kill Zamasu before he becomes Black, but it doesn't kill him in the future because of his time ring so the events will always happen. This would mean Trunks doesn't create a new timeline by coming for help to fight Black because he's not traveling to his past, but an entirely different universe.

There doesn't seem to be an extra timeline. Let's go by the timelines from Daizenshuu:

Timeline 1 (Trunks' timeline)
Timeline 2 (main timeline)
Timeline 3 (Cell's timeline)
Timeline 4 (unseen timeline)

After Black went to Trunks' world & Trunks returned to the past, this happened:

Timeline 1 (Trunks' timeline)
Timeline 2a (original main timeline/Black's timeline) replaced by Timeline 2b
Timeline 2b (main timeline)
Timeline 3 (Cell's timeline)
Timeline 4 (unseen timeline)

Black is from a different time line, how the hell he fight goku? he just killed goku in zamasu body in the unseen timeline? that just doesn't make sense.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Black's timeline is likely identical to "ours" through the Tournament, so Zamasu probably learned about Goku from Godtube and that lead to their fight.

But Black says that he fought Goku.

I said he would have seen his fight with Hit on Godtube and because of that Zamasu would fight Goku.
"This filthy ningen has a goddly aura, I need to show him his place."

Yes, and Black said that he fought Goku, and losing to him, a mortal, made him want his body. He didn't just see him in GodTube, he fought him like we saw it in the series.

Black is from a different time line, how the hell he fight goku? he just killed goku in zamasu body in the unseen timeline? that just doesn't make sense.

Black is from the main timeline, which got altered thanks to Trunks' latest time travels. And yes, it doesn't make sense.

[ArchedThunder]

Black is from a different time line, how the hell he fight goku? he just killed goku in zamasu body in the unseen timeline? that just doesn't make sense.

If he is from a different timeline he likely fought him after seeing his fight with Hit on Godtube.
But the line about the last timeline being created years ago and Black says Beerus killing him didn't affect him in the future because he had the time ring, so as I said he would come from a paradoxical timeline that doesn't exist.

Yes, and Black said that he fought Goku, and losing to him, a mortal, made him want his body. He didn't just see him in GodTube, he fought him like we saw it in the series.

Like I just said, he found out about him from Godtube and fought him because of that. All we saw was the end of the fight anyways and nothing around it, so the fight could have gone the same way in his time or they just used existing footage to show that they fought. It's not hard to understand.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Black is from a different time line, how the hell he fight goku? he just killed goku in zamasu body in the unseen timeline? that just doesn't make sense.

If he is from a different timeline he likely fought him after seeing his fight with Hit on Godtube.
But the line about the last timeline being created years ago and Black says Beerus killing him didn't affect him in the future because he had the time ring, so as I said he would come from a paradoxical timeline that doesn't exist.

Yes, and Black said that he fought Goku, and losing to him, a mortal, made him want his body. He didn't just see him in GodTube, he fought him like we saw it in the series.

Like I just said, he found out about him from Godtube and fought him because of that. All we saw was the end of the fight anyways and nothing around it, so the fight could have gone the same way in his time or they just used existing footage to show that they fought. It's not hard to understand.

Doesn't seem to have happened like this, but I guess it works as an explanation... but it's still a plot-hole, since it was never explained.

[ArchedThunder]

Doesn't seem to have happened like this, but I guess it works as an explanation... but it's still a plot-hole, since it was never explained.

Something not being explained doesn't mean it's a plot hole, it just means it's unexplained. They tell us that in Black's history he fought Goku and we already saw present Zamasu learn about the Super Dragon Balls and Super Saiyan Blue from Godtube, so we might not have a direct explanation but we do have pieces that can form an explanation.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Doesn't seem to have happened like this, but I guess it works as an explanation... but it's still a plot-hole, since it was never explained.

Something not being explained doesn't mean it's a plot hole, it just means it's unexplained. They tell us that in Black's history he fought Goku and we already saw present Zamasu learn about the Super Dragon Balls and Super Saiyan Blue from Godtube, so we might not have a direct explanation but we do have pieces that can form an explanation.

Well, the whole reason Gowasu was watching the tournament on GodTube was because Beerus, Whis, and Goku visited them in the first place.

[namekiansaiyan]

With the episode 62 preview and spoilers for episode 62 and 63, how is all of this stuff going to happen in such a short time?

I am not going to be happy if Piccolo suggests Mafuba and then says he can't do it himself and that is why they go Roshi. Piccolo should be able to do.

Finally, Gohan fans do not get excited.