The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Noah]

- I'm assuming you mean Super, in which case I skip the match.

There's no difference really since they are in "base form" and no transformations or Ki-based attacks are allowed, I just said current because they are evenly now.

[Ash57]

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)

-Dr. Gero is at least stronger than Yardrat Goku imo, so he probably either one-shots or two-shots Freeza with ease.
-Since both of them are more or less even in both skill, stamina and durability, with Goku being a mere notch above Vegeta in "power", he could probably defeat Getes after a extremely long fight
-I fail to see the difference between Great Saiyaman and normal Teen Gohan. Anyway, since Gohan said that Goten could surpass him soon, i have Goten putting up a pretty decent fight against his older brother but losing in the end.
-South Kaioshin' being the strongest of the Kaioshins was treated as a big deal, and Boo also absorbed him, something he had never done to anyone before, highly implying that South Kaioshin was a threat; Therefore, South Kaioshin probably takes with the utmost ease.
-Piccolo takes this, since Toriyama stated he always trains in his days-off; and since Trunks was only a small amount above Piccolo in the Cell Games, 7 years of training would probably have made Piccolo quite a bit stronger, at least 25-30% stronger imo. So Piccolo probably takes this after a ten or fifteen minute fight.
-Recoome seemed to be a tank, but Burter was implied to have the same power as him and he was regarded as the fastest in the Ginyu Force. Burter most likely wins.
-Comical repeat of Super Gotenks vs. Boo; Super Gogeta keeps punching Super Boo, who just stands there rather amused and annoyed at the adult fusion's attempts to harm him. After a dozen of seconds, Super Boo mocks Gogeta, asking "is this the super-powerful fusion between the two strongest good guys? Well, not counting Gohan of course. I don't think you're anywhere near your hype" and then he blasts Gogeta away with ease.

[DanielSSJ]

- I'm assuming you mean Super, in which case I skip the match.

There's no difference really since they are in "base form" and no transformations or Ki-based attacks are allowed, I just said current because they are evenly now.

Okay then. I guess I'll give a slim advantage to Goku, given Whis' statement in Resurrection F about Vegeta still lagging behind Goku by a little bit because he's always wound too tight and never relaxes.

[In Brightest Day]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

[Angelus]

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Here's one:

Future Trunks Saga Lazuli vs. Future Trunks Saga Krillin

Krillin would effortlessly wreck her.

Seriously?

Is this how far the android trio have fallen?

Whoops, just realized you meant the Saga in Super. In that case 18 wins easily, Krillin's still below Final Form Frieza

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)

- Frieza stomps easily.
- Does Kaioken count as a transformation? If not Goku wrecks easily. Otherwise Vegeta wins.
- Saiyaman wins with medium-high difficulty.
- Cell wins. South Kaioshin is stronger but without ki blasts he can't knock out, destroy or knock Cell out of the arena so he loses after he runs out of energy
- Piccolo wins with high difficulty.
- Burter wins with high difficulty.
- Super Gogeta stomps easily.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

Goku wrecks Gohan.

- I'm assuming you mean Super, in which case I skip the match.

There's no difference really since they are in "base form" and no transformations or Ki-based attacks are allowed, I just said current because they are evenly now.

Okay then. I guess I'll give a slim advantage to Goku, given Whis' statement in Resurrection F about Vegeta still lagging behind Goku by a little bit because he's always wound too tight and never relaxes.

As of right now Vegeta's stronger than Goku as he just spent half a year in the time chamber and came out strong enough to fight Black who beat Goku fairly easily.

[In Brightest Day]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta

Generally I don't appreciate one sentence answers. Expand your viewpoint.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta
- Cell Games Grade 2 Vegeta

Generally I don't appreciate one sentence answers. Expand your viewpoint.

By the Buu Saga he'd be strong enough to take down Grade 2 Vegeta at the Cell Games, and though he may have gotten stronger from that point onward just about every other character is far above Grade 2 Vegeta so by my power levels he hasn't become strong enough to close that gap. I guess he could beat a hypothetical Grade 3 Vegeta by
the EoZ.

[Zamasu55]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

1. Super Vegeta (Cell Games) and Super Trunks (Cell Games), I guess.
2. Ssj Goku (Cell Games).
3. We don't know his strength.

[Zamasu55]

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

Gohan easily.

[DanielSSJ]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- I'd assume by Resurrection F Piccolo has surpassed Kaioshin and leave it at that.
- Since I sorta go with the "two-bases" theory, there's no need for Piccolo to be Super Vegetto tier for no real reason. Still, I'll be generous and say that the guy is around Super Perfect Cell/SS2 level by the time of the U6 arc.
- Based on the manga and the manga alone, I'd say Piccolo probably started to cap out at around the Boo arc just like everyone else. It's not that he can't get any stronger, just that he isn't seeing any huge gains by that point. As such, I'd say he could beat Boo arc SS Goku or SS Vegeta.

Ultimate/Mystic Gohan VS SSJ2 Goku (that can use Kaiokenx10, stacked with SSJ2, continuously and with no strain)

By my made-up numbers, multiplying his SS2 power by 10 still leaves Goku at about half of Gohan's full power. Gohan sweeps.

As of right now Vegeta's stronger than Goku as he just spent half a year in the time chamber and came out strong enough to fight Black who beat Goku fairly easily.

See, this is why you don't ask me about Super. I haven't really been paying attention.

By the Buu Saga he'd be strong enough to take down Grade 2 Vegeta at the Cell Games, and though he may have gotten stronger from that point onward just about every other character is far above Grade 2 Vegeta so by my power levels he hasn't become strong enough to close that gap. I guess he could beat a hypothetical Grade 3 Vegeta by
the EoZ.

He should definitely be able to beat a Grade 3 Vegeta by that point, considering the form's flaws. Also Vegeta and Trunks have stopped using the Graded forms by that point anyway.

[Zamasu55]

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)

1. Frieza would just slaughter him.
2. You said current base Vegeta, the one who has trained for an entire year in the RoSaT and, as he stated, surpassed Goku. He wins.
3. Gohan, much more experienced.
4. Perfect Cell is much stronger.
5. Base Future Trunks? He stands no chance against Piccolo. Beerus states that Frieza (Full power) is above Base Goku (BOG). Piccolo is far beyond that.
6. Draw.
7. Gogeta just one-shots.

[TheUltimateNinja]

By the Buu Saga he'd be strong enough to take down Grade 2 Vegeta at the Cell Games, and though he may have gotten stronger from that point onward just about every other character is far above Grade 2 Vegeta so by my power levels he hasn't become strong enough to close that gap. I guess he could beat a hypothetical Grade 3 Vegeta by
the EoZ.

He should definitely be able to beat a Grade 3 Vegeta by that point, considering the form's flaws. Also Vegeta and Trunks have stopped using the Graded forms by that point anyway.

I was thinking pure power rather than actual combat, also I guess he could have reached Cell Games MSSJ Goku/Buu Arc SSJ Gohan level by the U6 Saga of Super/

[Noah]

4. Perfect Cell is much stronger.
5. Base Future Trunks? He stands no chance against Piccolo. Beerus states that Frieza (Full power) is above Base Goku (BOG). Piccolo is far beyond that.

4. Much stronger than the Kaioshin that put a good fight against Kid Boo?
5. He is allowed to transform.

[Zamasu55]

4. Perfect Cell is much stronger.
5. Base Future Trunks? He stands no chance against Piccolo. Beerus states that Frieza (Full power) is above Base Goku (BOG). Piccolo is far beyond that.

4. Much stronger than the Kaioshin that put a good fight against Kid Boo?
5. He is allowed to transform.

1. Oh sorry, I thought it was East Kaioshin.
2. Well, Piccolo would keep up a while with Ssj Trunks, but he'll end up losing.

[Roronoa-pt]

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- SSJ Goku ( Cell Games ) - Many years have passed and Piccolo definetly improved because he keeps training, so I can see him defeat SSJ Goku easily. He shouldn't be far from SSJ2 level.
- Mr. Buu - Majin Buu lost much of his power after the expel of the Evil Buu and after his training with Gohan, who regained his Ultimate powers, Piccolo definetly improved miles. Not a popular opinion I know but I don't see Buu nearly as strong as he was when he ressurected, so Piccolo gets this.
- No fucking idea. We've yet to see...

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Great Namek Lord Slug (Youth Restored) vs. Meta-Cooler Core.

2) Golden Great Ape Little Goku (GT) vs. Janemba.

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) Great Namek Lord Slug (Youth Restored) vs. Meta-Cooler Core.

2) Golden Great Ape Little Goku (GT) vs. Janemba.

3) Green Ranger (Tommy Oliver) vs. Shula.

1) Cooler effortlessly solos.

2) Goku oneshots.

3) Shula oneshots.

[Sailor Haumea]

Here's four:

Ultimate Buu* vs. Super Janemba
Ultimate Buu vs. Hirudegarn
Ultimate Buu vs. Beerus
Ultimate Buu vs. Golden Frieza

*Also called Buuhan.