Well that doesn't really make a difference to me, Super is terribly written in all mediums.ZombieVito wrote:You are giving that hack too much credit, I'm afraid. He is a terrible writer and contradicts himself a lot.RandomGuy96 wrote: Not as simple as it looks. If it was purely a power thing, base Goku would've been disintegrated. So would Shin, for that matter. If a DB universe bares the slightest resemblance to our conception of a universe the power difference should be so staggering that at that distance it would really make no difference.
That said, there is one other scene that might support a super-strong base Goku. When Fused Zamasu is firing ki blasts everywhere, a stray shot goes in the direction of Shin, Gowasu, Mai, and Trunks. All of them have a deer-in-the-head-lights look before an exhausted and injured base Goku jumps in the way and blocks the blasts. Trunks then apologizes for making Goku take that hit. The weird thing is, Trunks was just as helpless as Shin here (even though presumably he could still go SS2 in an instant), even though it was explicitly stated at the start of the arc that Trunks was equal or greater than Goku when both were regular SS2s. As I see it there are 3 options:
1. Goku and Vegeta underwent a huge unstated power-up near the end of the Zamasu arc (the start of what brought base Black to SS3 level, perhaps? Maybe to line up with the implication that base Goku at the EOZ and in GT is SS3-tier?).
2. Goku, and only Goku (not Trunks), has a super-strong base state relative to his transformations.
3. There are a handful of inconsistencies that can be ignored in the face of other evidence.
Another weird thing from the manga: base Vegetto can blow Fused Zamasu apart with ease, despite the latter being much stronger than SSG Goku/Vegeta. Was this discussed at the time that it happened? Because it would seem to contradict the idea that SSG > Potara.
Goku and Vegeta didnt get much stronger (If at all) between the Zamasu and ToP arcs by the way. Goku even says hes rusty in both mediums.
I guess if that's the case then I'll just default to explanation #3, but the scene with base Goku protecting Trunks does still seem curious given that the manga went out of its way to establish SS2 Trunks >= SS2 Goku at the very beginning of the arc.
I don't think that really fits the context of the scene, as Zamasu himself was on the attack. The opposite of off-guard. At the very least his reaction to the incident suggests that base Vegetto should be stronger than SSG Goku who he would have been expecting to attack him, given his shock that the beam was powerful enough to cleave him in two. He also never says he can easily beat base Vegetto. Just that he could win in under an hour (note that he has a lot of non-power advantages in this match-up). IMO the scene seems to indicate that Fused Zamasu and base Vegetto are at least around the same strength. Vegetto doesn't exactly seem scared that Zamasu will kill him in base before he can do anything either.Still that Zamasu vs Vegetto thing can be easily explained by Zamasu always having his guard off since he's immortal. He also says he can easily beat base Vegetto as he should.
Another thing. From what I can tell, CSSB and Vegeta's technique of switching between SSB and SSG are basically the same thing (described as having the power of SSB without the extensive stamina drain that cripples it), except with the former the user is at that level all the time rather than just right before attacking. So the only difference is that one should be faster, correct?
