"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[reecehoward]

While I do believe that the DBS manga is tied to the film, by leaving that saga out and relying on recap boxes, it does leave the details of the events ambiguous. So while you can assume so with good reason, it isn't 100% correct unless confirmed by Toyo himself or unless he redoes the saga.

However, SSB's handicap in the manga is one of the better things to have come about, and if it's a retcon, all the better for it. The progression we saw by taking SSB and completing it allowed it to remain highly relevant well up until the last saga of Super, instead of making it extremely dull like SSJ or fooling us with fake tension given there were higher "transformations" like SSB-KK in the anime. We saw how that approach tainted the value of the transformation.

That's another thing I don't agree with, the whole Ssb having those issues in the first place. It's essentially just Super Saiyan on top of SsG or Ssj w/god ki, which really neither of Ssb's predecessors had shown any type of stamina drain to that level. Ssb just comes across as a glorified Ssj3 in the manga version in my opinion, as it's barely usable. The other elephant in the room here, is the fact that Toyo is forced into a situation in which he may have to repeat the same "progression" with Ultra Instinct because of how he handled Ssb.

You say this like there is some established way stacking transformations is supposed to work. The transformation stack in the anime gives blue new qualities as well. Neither SSJ nor SSG have perfect ki control, yet Goku in Blue can lower his level enough to fight Krillin. How is that any different than the opposite extreme?

I don't believe I brought the anime up at all, as that has nothing to do with my issue here.

[reecehoward]

That's another thing I don't agree with, the whole Ssb having those issues in the first place. It's essentially just Super Saiyan on top of SsG or Ssj w/god ki, which really neither of Ssb's predecessors had shown any type of stamina drain to that level. Ssb just comes across as a glorified Ssj3 in the manga version in my opinion, as it's barely usable. The other elephant in the room here, is the fact that Toyo is forced into a situation in which he may have to repeat the same "progression" with Ultra Instinct because of how he handled Ssb.

There are various scenarios for this. The one that makes the most sense is that the SSJ transformation makes using god ki very unstable because by its own nature, it's a very unstable transformation requiring a burst of emotion. Goku himself told F. Trunks that he couldn't control it well at first. Of course, Goku mastered SSJ later on but that was with his own regular mortal ki, using god ki has been established to be a very different ball game.

What doesn't make any sense is how SSB is supposed to have perfect ki control when it's just SSJ stacked on top of SSG, neither of which apparently have that to the degree where he can stack KK on top of those.

Only an imaginary elephant by your own admission. UI =/= SSB.

How is imaginary when we practically already know he won't have mastered it by the time Broly comes around?smh The manga can only diverge but so far...We know that Goku doesn't have it mastered in the new movie, 99.9% chance that will remain for the manga as Toriyama is still writing the basic plot for both.

[Bergamo]

That's another thing I don't agree with, the whole Ssb having those issues in the first place. It's essentially just Super Saiyan on top of SsG or Ssj w/god ki, which really neither of Ssb's predecessors had shown any type of stamina drain to that level. Ssb just comes across as a glorified Ssj3 in the manga version in my opinion, as it's barely usable. The other elephant in the room here, is the fact that Toyo is forced into a situation in which he may have to repeat the same "progression" with Ultra Instinct because of how he handled Ssb.

You say this like there is some established way stacking transformations is supposed to work. The transformation stack in the anime gives blue new qualities as well. Neither SSJ nor SSG have perfect ki control, yet Goku in Blue can lower his level enough to fight Krillin. How is that any different than the opposite extreme?

I don't believe I brought the anime up at all, as that has nothing to do with my issue here.

Why do people get so triggered whenever you mention the Anime in the Manga chat. I'm not bashing the Anime, I'm just bringing it up because the comparison is thought provoking.

[reecehoward]

You say this like there is some established way stacking transformations is supposed to work. The transformation stack in the anime gives blue new qualities as well. Neither SSJ nor SSG have perfect ki control, yet Goku in Blue can lower his level enough to fight Krillin. How is that any different than the opposite extreme?

I don't believe I brought the anime up at all, as that has nothing to do with my issue here.

Why do people get so triggered whenever you mention the Anime in the Manga chat. I'm not bashing the Anime, I'm just bringing it up because the comparison is thought provoking.

Not triggered, just pointing that out because your reply came off as a deflection and literally doesn't disprove my point. If anything, you confirm it.

[Bergamo]

I don't believe I brought the anime up at all, as that has nothing to do with my issue here.

Why do people get so triggered whenever you mention the Anime in the Manga chat. I'm not bashing the Anime, I'm just bringing it up because the comparison is thought provoking.

Not triggered, just pointing that out because your reply came off as a deflection and literally doesn't disprove my point. If anything, you confirm it.

The point is that Blue is its own transformation, so it has it's own properties. It also doesn't really have a super obscure defect, it just takes a lot of physical stamina and energy because it's strong. It would be pretty dumb if it was stronger than God with 0 drawbacks and it's really easy to obtain.

[Liquir]

Volume 7 Sales Numbers. Anyone remember how it compares to the remaining volumes in the first week?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[prince212]

Volume 7 Sales Numbers. Anyone remember how it compares to the remaining volumes in the first week?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Looks like it’s going down badly , all mangas are going down on sales , but dbs more than the average
Vjump magazine is also going down , having 170k per month aprox. While a year ago was over 200k .
Printed mangas are on decline and digital rising , with some exceptions.
Personally I rather physical, but space and environment can move the balance
Edit : I wrote before by memory , I checked previous volume sales and it’s not that a big drama like I said heheh.
the tendency in the market is negative though , but dbs is in a decent position considering that has an anime that aired before

[reecehoward]

Why do people get so triggered whenever you mention the Anime in the Manga chat. I'm not bashing the Anime, I'm just bringing it up because the comparison is thought provoking.

Not triggered, just pointing that out because your reply came off as a deflection and literally doesn't disprove my point. If anything, you confirm it.

The point is that Blue is its own transformation, so it has it's own properties. It also doesn't really have a super obscure defect, it just takes a lot of physical stamina and energy because it's strong. It would be pretty dumb if it was stronger than God with 0 drawbacks and it's really easy to obtain.

Stamina drain on it's own isn't the problem. The problem is how severe it actually was, with it sapping 90% of the users power just from transforming...that absolutely ridiculous as the form becomes useless at that point. Completed Blue is...alright, but it also had a serious drawback when Goku first used it. Not sure if that's still the case though. I just got burnt out of the whole stamina drain with Ssj3, as that form used to be my favorite until I realized how uselessit was in battle. I just hate that we are still getting this issue with newer and supposedly better transformations.

[Bergamo]

Not triggered, just pointing that out because your reply came off as a deflection and literally doesn't disprove my point. If anything, you confirm it.

The point is that Blue is its own transformation, so it has it's own properties. It also doesn't really have a super obscure defect, it just takes a lot of physical stamina and energy because it's strong. It would be pretty dumb if it was stronger than God with 0 drawbacks and it's really easy to obtain.

Stamina drain on it's own isn't the problem. The problem is how severe it actually was, with it sapping 90% of the users power just from transforming...that absolutely ridiculous as the form becomes useless at that point. Completed Blue is...alright, but it also had a serious drawback when Goku first used it. Not sure if that's still the case though. I just got burnt out of the whole stamina drain with Ssj3, as that form used to be my favorite until I realized how uselessit was in battle. I just hate that we are still getting this issue with newer and supposedly better transformations.

It doesn't sap 90% from transforming. Vegeta transformed twice, but he had also fought 4 people in a row and was fatigued.

[Rakurai]

How is imaginary when we practically already know he won't have mastered it by the time Broly comes around?smh The manga can only diverge but so far...We know that Goku doesn't have it mastered in the new movie, 99.9% chance that will remain for the manga as Toriyama is still writing the basic plot for both.

I think I misunderstood you or you may have misunderstood me.

I wasn't talking about mastery of UI. It's pretty obvious Goku won't have it mastered or be able to access it whenever he wants. I was talking about how UI would be mastered or progressively honed. UI isn't a physical transformation like SSJ in its most fundamental essence, it's a state of mind and body. When Whis and Beerus use it, there isn't a change in their appearance but it seems like they do turn "on" some kind of switch. Goku will need to figure out how to flip this switch.

Hopefully it doesn't involve being in a state of near death or being hit by a fatal blow like the anime portrayed. Cause that would take away all the tension involved in any life-or-death match.

Volume 7 Sales Numbers. Anyone remember how it compares to the remaining volumes in the first week?
[spoiler][/spoiler]

I don't remember the numbers but I do recall it being in the Top 5. So it's still in good standing I suppose.

[Draconic]

All this conversation about R.o.F made me re-read the 3 chapters manga promotion of the movie that came before super , and I would like to know if some of you guys remember if this gag was also in the movie or the anime
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Also there’s another one about Whis autographs on goku and vegeta while training that I’m not sure if it’s a straight copy of the anime or what .... if somebody knows this ... thanks in advance
I’m same enthusiastic to watch-read new episodes-chapters, but when it comes to re-watch episodes or movies I’m so bad , re-reading is more pleasant for me .
Edit: I check checked on episode movie synopsis and the poop thing was included , I saw nothing about the autograph thing ..
This
[spoiler][/spoiler]

The scene where Whis autograph's Goku and Vegeta's uniform was in both the anime and movie.

Shit one as well. The RoF manga chapters aren't like the Super manga. They're 1 to 1 with the movie, sometimes even taking after the same storyboard. There's nothing of value to be found here, except the base Goku with God in the background.

[prince212]

All this conversation about R.o.F made me re-read the 3 chapters manga promotion of the movie that came before super , ...

The scene where Whis autograph's Goku and Vegeta's uniform was in both the anime and movie.

Shit one as well. The RoF manga chapters aren't like the Super manga. They're 1 to 1 with the movie, sometimes even taking after the same storyboard. There's nothing of value to be found here, except the base Goku with God in the background.

Ok . The value or shit is that the first 2 chapters were released before the movie aired and the third just a few days after the movie premiere. Considering that I can’t watch the next broly movie I don’t care about manga spoiling a movie , and hopefully in this new scenario broly arc won’t be 1 to 1 like that we were talking about.
If possible I wish not too many chapters with same as broly movie theme and move forward to new content , but being realistic we don’t even know if this manga is gonna end or what

[Zamasu55]

I just want to see Hakaishin Toppo. Please Toyo, don't screw up on this one. Please.

[Draconic]

The scene where Whis autograph's Goku and Vegeta's uniform was in both the anime and movie.

Shit one as well. The RoF manga chapters aren't like the Super manga. They're 1 to 1 with the movie, sometimes even taking after the same storyboard. There's nothing of value to be found here, except the base Goku with God in the background.

Ok . The value or shit is that the first 2 chapters were released before the movie aired and the third just a few days after the movie premiere. Considering that I can’t watch the next broly movie I don’t care about manga spoiling a movie , and hopefully in this new scenario broly arc won’t be 1 to 1 like that we were talking about.
If possible I wish not too many chapters with same as broly movie theme and move forward to new content , but being realistic we don’t even know if this manga is gonna end or what

I meant the shit scene, just to be clear. Not that this manga promo was shit. I don't think you have to worry about that. The Super manga is pretty much it's own thing now, unlike then. With how things are going the manga won't even start the Broly arc before the movie.

[prince212]

Shit one as well. The RoF manga chapters aren't like the Super manga. They're 1 to 1 with the movie, sometimes even taking after the same storyboard. There's nothing of value to be found here, except the base Goku with God in the background.

Ok . The value or shit is that the first 2 chapters were released before the movie aired and the third just a few days after the movie premiere. Considering that I can’t watch the next broly movie I don’t care about manga spoiling a movie , and hopefully in this new scenario broly arc won’t be 1 to 1 like that we were talking about.
If possible I wish not too many chapters with same as broly movie theme and move forward to new content , but being realistic we don’t even know if this manga is gonna end or what

I meant the shit scene, just to be clear. Not that this manga promo was shit. I don't think you have to worry about that. The Super manga is pretty much it's own thing now, unlike then. With how things are going the manga won't even start the Broly arc before the movie.

Yeap even toriyama said the things in the manga will have differences with the anime and movies . I do think the tournament will end in 2 chapters , 10 minutes remaining and 5 min per chapter , so there’s is a possibility of some broly tease before the movie , and I’m ok with that , I won’t be able to watch the movie for a long time like most of us , we will be spoiled about it for sure unless we disconnect internet until February March , I don’t know when the movie will be available in the languages that I understand.. and Japanese is not one of them .

[Rakurai]

I just want to see Hakaishin Toppo. Please Toyo, don't screw up on this one. Please.

GoD Toppo seems like a pretty anime exclusive thing. This is one of those other unnecessary transformations too. Toppo is a GoD candidate who already has access to god ki. He's already fought down CSSB Vegeta so there's no need for him to power up even more.

Then again, Kefla did appear and while I did not like the fact that she did, Toyo actually made it work in universe as a haphazard last resort tactic. So maybe he could make GoD Toppo work although it would really have to be a stretch (and I still wouldn't like it either).

[BlueBasilisk]

We're a week or less away from this month's chapter. I think I'm going to just skip this one and go back to reading chapters after they've been out for a while. The constant fighting and hot takes are so exhausting.

Of course we would have to get all our movie and game news from the same magazine.

[Xeztin]

Did anyone translate Toyotaro’s latest tweet? Its the longest post he has posted along with a drawing of Xeno Goku?

[ankokudaishogun]

What doesn't make any sense is how SSB is supposed to have perfect ki control when it's just SSJ stacked on top of SSG, neither of which apparently have that to the degree where he can stack KK on top of those.

Most likely Goku could just as well use Kaiohken with God.
Super Saiyan is bursting one's ki. God Ki is probably "stable" enough even after being detonated in Blue that it's possible to detonate it again with Kaiohken.

If we mix up with the manga explanation of Blue, Goku basically uses Kaiohken to artificially replicate the Ki burst at the begin of the transformation, and keeping it going.

[prince212]

We're a week or less away from this month's chapter. I think I'm going to just skip this one and go back to reading chapters after they've been out for a while. The constant fighting and hot takes are so exhausting.

Of course we would have to get all our movie and game news from the same magazine.

Sounds like a good plan , I’ll try same as I tried before but I couldn’t. Kinda yin yang where I always ended up being spoiled, but after what happened in last chapter I’ll try harder.
The pleasure of reading without knowing nothing has no price