The manga may actually count more than the anime. Based on his recent interview, Toyotaro seems to work more (not a lot more) closely with Toriyama than Toei does for the anime. It also is A LOT more consistent with its power scaling. This whole "two base" nonsense actually came into fruition because of how absurdly inconsistent the anime is.Zamasu55 wrote:Are you serious?fadeddreams5 wrote:Honestly, I think Zamasu stops at Super Perfect Cell. He's weaker than SSJ2 level. Super is peculiar in its inconsistency with base Goku. SSJ2 Goku in this arc should not be that above SSJ2 from the Buu arc. That would imply Trunks is far above Majin Buu as well, from just regular training, but the manga puts him at nearly a SSJ3 level.Zamasu55 wrote: The "insane" regeneration is useless if Buu's opponent is much stronger. In fact, Ssj Vegito would've one-shotted Buuhan if he wanted to.
Zamasu is at least Ssj Goku level, who, even without God ki, should easily be above Buuhan considering that Ssj Gohan (ROF) is on par with Ultimate Gohan and Ssj Goku is far above that, of course.
I believe in the manga, Zamasu sparred with Kibito as well. He held his own, somewhat. This is the guy that was Dabura fodder. Mind you, power levels are different in the anime and manga, as is evident with Hit, so... blah.
Dragon Ball Super takes place five years after the Buu saga. Goku has been training those years, then he trained an entire year with Whis and three more years in the RoSaT. Not to mention the zenkais boosts he's had after his fights with Black Goku. There's no way that Goku, even without God ki, is inferior to Super Buu. There's absolutely no way. Probably his base his Ulimate Gohan tier, so his Ssj2 form should be 70x stronger than him, and there's no way Buuhan can reach that.
The manga doesn't count, I'm sorry.
But anyways, I base my logic on the original source material. In DBZ, there was a 7 year gap between the Cell and Buu saga. During this time, Goku and Vegeta became only slightly stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan...in their SSJ2 forms. This is outright stated. By your logic, their SSJ or base forms alone should be able to compete with SSJ2 Gohan at this point. Secondly, if we use BoG (either movie or arc) as an example, Beerus implies Goku couldn't have defeated Frieza in his base, indicating that after becoming a SSJ, any increases from training aren't really substantial to a saiyan's base form. That's quite literally why they trained in the Cell saga to go beyond their limits as SSJs and break the barrier by attaining new grades/forms.
Of course, then there's the whole "absorbing god ki" thing. This is where Super goes out of wack. After absorbing god ki, Goku is seen being on par with final form Frieza, who demolished SSJ Gohan in his first form. He is seen holding his own against Beerus in the Monaka suit, who literally flicked off SSJ3 Goku previously. He is also seen fighting on par with Copy Vegeta, who made a joke out of SSJ3 Gotenks. But... somehow, whenever he goes SSJ-SSJ3, he seems much weaker. That is, unless we're supposed to believe Trunks has attained the same level of powers through training alone. Interestingly, none of those confusing base form battles I mentioned occurred in the manga, which is why I feel that SSJ2 Goku isn't that much greater than he was during the Buu saga, and Zamasu is likely up there with Super Perfect Cell.
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