Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:22 am

I think they forgot to draw Vegeta`s nose

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:46 pm

rereboy wrote:I think they forgot to draw Vegeta`s nose

Vegeta thought that not having a nose would be a tactical advantage, so he had it removed.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:52 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
rereboy wrote:I think they forgot to draw Vegeta`s nose :lol:
Vegeta thought that not having a nose would be a tactical advantage, so he had it removed.

Hmm, and quite a smart move, I must say. It works for Krilin.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:05 pm

New Page, with lot's of notes from Salagir on how Broli works in his multiverse: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-160.html

Vegetto looks pleased...

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:17 pm

JulieYBM wrote:New Page, with lot's of notes from Salagir on how Broli works in his multiverse: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-160.html

Vegetto looks pleased...

Quite pleased!

I am a bit confused at to what Salagir means by "indestructible" concerning the LSSJ. He makes it clear that the LSSJ as he sees it can be killed but then he also says that the LSSJ is not fazed by attacks.

That's going to make for a really boring fight

.

Personally I think something is lost in translation here.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:19 pm

He might mean that they aren't...mentally affected. It doesn't register, despite the injuries their body might take.

Maphisto86 · Post by **Maphisto86** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:31 pm

JulieYBM wrote:He might mean that they aren't...mentally affected. It doesn't register, despite the injuries their body might take.

That would make some sense judging from Brolly's reactions to his enemies blows most of the time in Movies 8, 9 and 10. I sent off an e-mail to Salagir clearing up a few questions, including this one. Probably won't get an answer anytime soon but I thought why not.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:55 pm

JulieYBM wrote:New Page, with lot's of notes from Salagir on how Broli works in his multiverse: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-160.html

Vegetto looks pleased...

Checked the original version for differences. It just says this Broly survived (the events of movie 10), tue tout le monde, puis le reste, which translates to "kills all the world, then the others."

Tout le monde translates to directly to "all the world," but is an expression that means "everyone." So by "then the others" he's making a badass pun about how he destroyed the world, and then every other world in the universe. A couple years later, he gets trapped in ice.

Essentially, they've changed the canon of LSSJs. LSSJs die because of LSSJ, but each time they last a bit longer. The first lasted a few minutes, the second a few hours, and the third lasted long enough to get blasted into the sun, and the fourth is Broly. So basically Broly is designed to get stronger like crazy until he dies. Because this version of Broly was in ice, he didn't die.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:36 pm

He also says that Brolly can`t be harmed while in LSSJ.

I do not agree with that at all.

He should have said that its incredibly difficult to harm him or any LSSJ while in that form but not impossible.

It would make a lot more sense.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:49 pm

As you know, I've been following this comic since the earlier pages, and I'm even translating it, but I've got to say, it's turning into a load of bollocks. The thing about Kat was complete utter bullshit, and now all this pampering of Broly? For what? He doesn't like Tullece or Slug but treats Broly like some indestructible, immortal machine of destruction for no good reason. What the fuck?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:59 pm

How come Broly gets so much fanwanking in this?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:01 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:How come Broly gets so much fanwanking in this?

...welcome to the DragonBall Z fandom?

-Corey

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:03 pm

The only problem I have is how he described LSSJ as something which couldn`t be harmed. That just doesn`t make sense. Something thats very difficult to harm, yes, but not impossible. How can it be impossible to harm if previous LSSJ were killed by the sun according to is description?

That clearly needs to be rectified.

As for the rest its all fine and good. Brolly`s power being constantly rising is one possible theory and its suits well in the storyline of DBM because it provides a powerful viillain.

Just don`t suggest that LSSJ can`t be harmed or is indestructible.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:17 pm

Watch Salagir have Broli utterly defeated.

He's been quite self-aware that Broli has his...interesting fanbase.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:28 pm

rereboy wrote:The only problem I have is how he described LSSJ as something which couldn`t be harmed. That just doesn`t make sense. Something thats very difficult to harm, yes, but not impossible. How can it be impossible to harm if previous LSSJ were killed by the sun according to is description?

That clearly needs to be rectified.

The original explains that a powerful shock can knock him out of LSSJ. This is arguably consistant with movies 8 and 10. Once he's out of LSSJ, he'll probably be on par with android-era (pre-ROSAT) Goku and Vegeta.

As for the rest its all fine and good. Brolly`s power being constantly rising is one possible theory and its suits well in the storyline of DBM because it provides a powerful viillain.

Just don`t suggest that LSSJ can`t be harmed or is indestructible.

This is where I disagree. If they said something post-movie 10 was responsible for this gain (like when he destroyed the rest of the universe), or if he did get shot into the sun as per movie 10 and got an LSSJ-induced zenkai, fine. But retconning things to be LSSJ is at least as strong as Vegetto+20 years "just because" is crummy.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:34 pm

Dayspring wrote:This is where I disagree. If they said something post-movie 10 was responsible for this gain (like when he destroyed the rest of the universe), or if he did get shot into the sun as per movie 10 and got an LSSJ-induced zenkai, fine. But retconning things to be LSSJ is at least as strong as Vegetto+20 years "just because" is crummy.

I just don`t see any other theory making sense besides the increasing power for Brolly`s power level. Even that zenkai theory seems more unlikely.
With the increasing power theory we can basically say that Brolly`s power rises exponentially while fighting, so the longer he fights, the stronger he will get.
Brolly`s fights with Goku, Gohan and the others didn`t take that long, so he didn`t increase that much during the fights... But he did spend years fighting and destroying the universe after defeating them... Since that took a long time, his power level could rise exponentially during that time of constantly fighting to an outstanding level... Something he hadn`t been free to do because he had been under mind control most of his life, which resulted in him not having achieved that much power before fighting Goku, Gohan and etc, because he hadn`t fought a lot till then.

But that indestructible theory doesn`t work at all...

You know what? Salagir would have done better if he hadn`t made that comment at all... Goku`s line about how Brolly`s power is constantly rising would be enough to justify within the comic why he`s that strong.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:29 pm

rereboy wrote:
Dayspring wrote:This is where I disagree. If they said something post-movie 10 was responsible for this gain (like when he destroyed the rest of the universe), or if he did get shot into the sun as per movie 10 and got an LSSJ-induced zenkai, fine. But retconning things to be LSSJ is at least as strong as Vegetto+20 years "just because" is crummy.
I just don`t see any other theory making sense besides the increasing power for Brolly`s power level. Even that zenkai theory seems more unlikely.
With the increasing power theory we can basically say that Brolly`s power rises exponentially while fighting, so the longer he fights, the stronger he will get.
Brolly`s fights with Goku, Gohan and the others didn`t take that long, so he didn`t increase that much during the fights... But he did spend years fighting and destroying the universe after defeating them... Since that took a long time, his power level could rise exponentially during that time of constantly fighting to an outstanding level... Something he hadn`t been free to do because he had been under mind control most of his life, which resulted in him not having achieved that much power before fighting Goku, Gohan and etc, because he hadn`t fought a lot till then.

You're assuming he spent tons of years fighting stronger and stronger opponents, though. He only spent a few years, and the strongest people he'd come across would all be weaker than movie 8 Goku and co.

But that indestructible theory doesn`t work at all...

Agreed. The whole point of the DB series is that nothing is indestructable. Hell, Boo couldn't be destroyed if you destroyed him, yet they found a way!

You know what? Salagir would have done better if he hadn`t made that comment at all... Goku`s line about how Brolly`s power is constantly rising would be enough to justify within the comic why he`s that strong.

Yeah. It was a stretch, but it was better than what's happened.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:41 pm

I'm thinking Salagir's less than quality English is tripping up what he meant. Broli simply might not feel the pain, not that he's 'indestructible' (although with that guy's brain, he'll likely be too crazy to recognize pain thus making it seem like he is indestructable).

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:54 pm

Dayspring wrote:You're assuming he spent tons of years fighting stronger and stronger opponents, though. He only spent a few years, and the strongest people he'd come across would all be weaker than movie 8 Goku and co.

No, I`m assuming he spent a few years constantly fighting till he destroyed his universe.

Think about Brolly`s life:

- He was born and he escaped with his father from planet Vegeta.

- His father watched over him and kept him under control and generally away from mass destruction and fights while he was growing up till he got big enough for his father not being able to control him. His power was starting to awaken in full force (we assume all this from movie 8`s flashback where his father was trying to stop him from fighting and destroying a planet. This was probably the first time he failed to contain his son).

- Being unable to control him on his own he placed him under mind control.

- Then he fought with Goku and Gohan and etc, twice.

This basically means that Brolly hardly even fought using his LSSJ power before meeting Goku. Only for shorts periods of time. The little that he fought doesn`t sum up to a lot of time.

Now compare that little overall time with a few years of constantly fighting, raging and destruction.

If his power increases constantly while fighting in LSSJ, then it makes sense that it would increase a lot more during those few years than it had increased before.

And it wouldn`t matter what kind of opponents he would meet after Goku, because if his power constantly rises as long as is fights, then all he needs to get stronger and stronger is only keep fighting practically non stop.

Now, would he get to Vegetto`s level? Its impossible to tell for sure so its not a stretch to think that he could in this comic.

JulieYBM wrote:I'm thinking Salagir's less than quality English is tripping up what he meant. Broli simply might not feel the pain, not that he's 'indestructible' (although with that guy's brain, he'll likely be too crazy to recognize pain thus making it seem like he is indestructable).

No, the french version (which is the original language) says the same.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:17 am

You know, I bet somewhere in this tournament there's a chef Vegeta. Singing while he cooks.

I want him to win.