The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:58 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:SS Bardock vs. 1st Form Frieza

Frieza can only transform once, into 2nd Form.

Who wins?
Bardock gets his ass handed to him by 1st form Frieza and gets oneshotted by 2nd form Frieza.
Bardock was said to be approaching King Vegeta's battle power in the special, so even if he went SSJ he would still be a joke to Frieza as his base is under King Vegeta, who in turn is under Kid Vegeta. Here's my personal levels:
Kid Vegeta: 10,000
King Vegeta: 9,500
Bardock: 9,000

So SSJ Bardock would only be 450,000 which is a good deal lower than 1st Form Frieza's 530,000.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:01 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:SS Bardock vs. 1st Form Frieza

Frieza can only transform once, into 2nd Form.

Who wins?
Bardock gets his ass handed to him by 1st form Frieza and gets oneshotted by 2nd form Frieza.
Bardock was said to be approaching King Vegeta's battle power in the special, so even if he went SSJ he would still be a joke to Frieza as his base is under King Vegeta, who in turn is under Kid Vegeta. Here's my personal levels:
Kid Vegeta: 10,000
King Vegeta: 9,500
Bardock: 9,000

So SSJ Bardock would only be 450,000 which is a good deal lower than 1st Form Frieza's 530,000.
Wouldn't Planet Vegeta exploding result in Bardock getting a massive zenkai?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Sailor Haumea wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:SS Bardock vs. 1st Form Frieza

Frieza can only transform once, into 2nd Form.

Who wins?
Bardock gets his ass handed to him by 1st form Frieza and gets oneshotted by 2nd form Frieza.
Bardock was said to be approaching King Vegeta's battle power in the special, so even if he went SSJ he would still be a joke to Frieza as his base is under King Vegeta, who in turn is under Kid Vegeta. Here's my personal levels:
Kid Vegeta: 10,000
King Vegeta: 9,500
Bardock: 9,000

So SSJ Bardock would only be 450,000 which is a good deal lower than 1st Form Frieza's 530,000.
Wouldn't Planet Vegeta exploding result in Bardock getting a massive zenkai?
Saiyans at that level of power don't get very big Zenkais. Vegeta who was far stronger than Bardock was beaten to the point of near death on Earth, he was so battered he could barely move and needed life support to stay alive, yet his power only increased 33% from his Zenkai.
So even if Bardock got that same Zenkai his power level would only be 12,000 and his SSJ would be 600,000. Above Frieza's first form but still one-shot material to his 2nd form.

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Post by Angelus » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:10 am

Universe 6 Frost VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:25 am

Angelus wrote:Universe 6 Frost VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)
Frost gets oneshotted. By my levels tournament SSJ Goku is still considerably below Buu arc SSJ3 Goku.

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Post by Doctor. » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:51 pm

Manga Hit vs Golden Freeza
Manga FP Super Saiyan 2 Trunks vs Kid Buu
Hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto vs Freeza post-training
Manga Magetta vs Super Perfect Cell

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Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:56 pm

Doctor. wrote:Manga Hit vs Golden Freeza
Manga FP Super Saiyan 2 Trunks vs Kid Buu
Hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto vs Freeza post-training
Manga Magetta vs Super Perfect Cell
Golden Freeza's comparable power to SSBlue Goku nullifies Hit's Time Skip advantage but if one of hits secret killing moves can make a difference, and Goku thought it most certainly would, I'm gonna say he has a good shot of beating Freeza.

Trunks kicks Kid Boo's ass, even though Goku isn't much stronger than his Boo arc self in the manga, I think he's made good enough gains to make Kid Boo a non-issue, and by extension a stomp for Trunks.

I've got Base Goku (the movies & the anime) on par with Super Vegetto so I think SS3 Vegetto would give Freeza a good pounding.

This is a tough one. Magetta's an odd guy since he's one of those few characters in DB who's stats vary instead of being all roughly the same as one another. It can go any way really.
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:18 pm

Manga SS F. Gohan vs SS Namek Goku

F. Gohan seemed pretty weak, he was beat by Future #17, who used less than half of his full power. Plus, Trunks said he could handle both 17 and 18 at the same time, and he was weaker than Yardrat Goku.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:22 pm

Doctor. wrote:Manga SS F. Gohan vs SS Namek Goku

F. Gohan seemed pretty weak, he was beat by Future #17, who used less than half of his full power. Plus, Trunks said he could handle both 17 and 18 at the same time, and he was weaker than Yardrat Goku.
TBF, Gohan thought he stood a chance against Future #17 until the half-power thing got revealed at which point he knew he was screwed. Its entirely possible they've been doing the same to Trunks and leading him on.

I think Manga SS F.Gohan can take this but it would be a tough win.
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Post by Zamasu55 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:38 pm

Angelus wrote:Universe 6 Frost VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)
Ssj Goku (Universal Tournament saga) >>> Final form Frost >> Ultimate Gohan.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:48 pm

Doctor. wrote:Manga Hit vs Golden Freeza
Manga FP Super Saiyan 2 Trunks vs Kid Buu
Hypothetical Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto vs Freeza post-training
Manga Magetta vs Super Perfect Cell
1. Hit slaughters. Frieza knows shit about Time-Leap and by the way.
2. Futre Trunks slaughters, his Ssj2 self was above Ssj3 Goku (Black Goku saga) who's much above Kid Buu.
3. After being beaten by Beerus, Goku states that even by fusing with Vegeta, he'd still be no match for him. Goku doesn't know Beerus's full strength, so: Beerus (very suppressed) > Ssj3 Vegito. Now, Final form Frieza (Super, post training) was pretty much on par with Beyond God Goku. The latter can fight evenly with Beerus (Monaka's suit, suppressed of course). This basically means that Ssj3 Vegito would get one-shotted by Final form Frieza.
4. Magetta is much stronger, he loses only if Super Perfect Cell ends up insulting him. :lol:

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Post by ZombieVito » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:55 pm

Angelus wrote:Universe 6 Frost VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)
Frost beats the living hell out of Gohan.

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Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:58 pm

Ultimate Buu vs. Golden Frieza

Who wins?
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Post by Analytic » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:11 pm

Doctor. wrote:Manga SS F. Gohan vs SS Namek Goku
I think Gohan would win rather easily.
Doctor. wrote:F. Gohan seemed pretty weak, he was beat by Future #17, who used less than half of his full power. Plus, Trunks said he could handle both 17 and 18 at the same time, and he was weaker than Yardrat Goku.
Trunks only said that when he returned to the past for the second time, where it was implied he was relevant to Goku and Vegeta.

Bulma stated that Trunks wasn't much stronger than Gohan was, meaning that Gohan isn't too far behind Trunks saga Trunks, who could finish off Mecha Freeza (stronger than Namek Goku) in an instant.

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Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:25 am

I have Future Gohan and Future Trunks (Mecha Frieza saga) somewhat relevant or equal in powers. SSJ Trunks>>Mecha Frieza, and Mecha Frieza>Frieza and possibly equal to SSJ Goku, given how he was confident in defeating him. So between Future Gohan and SSJ Goku from the Frieza saga, I'll give it to Future Gohan.

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Post by Sailor Haumea » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:46 am

Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:58 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
Vegeta is the only survivor, everyone else dies.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:01 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
The earthlings beat the six Saibaimen and maybe Nappa if they're extremely lucky, but nobody on Earth is anywhere close enough to Vegeta's level to even harm him. Heck, you could put the six Saibaimen and Nappa on the good guys side and Vegeta still wins with frightening ease. You would need to add Goku to the mix to even have a chance.

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Post by Angelus » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:23 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
You were better off adding Upa's father, Bora, instead of him. And Cyborg Tao instead of Mercenary Tao. Heck, might as well add 23rd WMAT King Chappa, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Ranfan, Nam, Bacterian, Giran, Korin, Popo, Blonde Launch, Bandages the Mummy, See-Through the Invisible Man, Spike the Devilman, and Fangs the Vampire. All of these guys are going to get slaughtered by a single Saibaman unless the Devilmite Beam takes effect. None of them would matter since Vegeta will solo.
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Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:28 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
Upa, Eighter, Master Shen and Mercenary Tao would die first. They are far weaker than Goku and Piccolo were on the Raditz saga, who himself was 3 times stronger than them, and was equal to a saibaman.

The Saibamen would be next, like in the series. And then if they work together and use their best attacks (makankosappo, kienzan, tri beam, solar flare), and if Gohan is not scared and is able to land hits to his opponents to the point where he can do masenkos, then maybe Nappa would be able to be defeated as well. But with Vegeta, they don't have a chance, since the gap is too big. Maybe a Solar Flare and Kienzan would work.

Maybe the other outcome it's probably like in the original series, Nappa would kill everyone.

Either way, the Saiyan team wins.

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