The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Here's some DBS matches!

Botamo VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)

Auta Magetta VS Buutenks (No absorbing/candybeam/blowing up of planets/fusion time limit/name-calling/insults/teasing)

Base Cabba VS SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frost VS Buuhan (No absorbing/candybeam)

Hit VS Anime SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaioken x10 (No GT Golden Great Ape logic/multiplier. Just multiply his SSJ3 power to x10 for SSJ3 Great Ape. No tail-cutting)

[Sailor Haumea]

Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?

You were better off adding Upa's father, Bora, instead of him. And Cyborg Tao instead of Mercenary Tao. Heck, might as well add 23rd WMAT King Chappa, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Ranfan, Nam, Bacterian, Giran, Korin, Popo, Blonde Launch, Bandages the Mummy, See-Through the Invisible Man, Spike the Devilman, and Fangs the Vampire. All of these guys are going to get slaughtered by a single Saibaman unless the Devilmite Beam takes effect. None of them would matter since Vegeta will solo.

Okay, Vegeta sits out.

All the ones you mentioned are in, and have trained. Bora replaces Upa.

Who wins?

[nickzambuto]

Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?

You were better off adding Upa's father, Bora, instead of him. And Cyborg Tao instead of Mercenary Tao. Heck, might as well add 23rd WMAT King Chappa, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Ranfan, Nam, Bacterian, Giran, Korin, Popo, Blonde Launch, Bandages the Mummy, See-Through the Invisible Man, Spike the Devilman, and Fangs the Vampire. All of these guys are going to get slaughtered by a single Saibaman unless the Devilmite Beam takes effect. None of them would matter since Vegeta will solo.

Okay, Vegeta sits out.

All the ones you mentioned are in, and have trained. Bora replaces Upa.

Who wins?

I'm inclined to believe that with so many bugs to play with, Nappa is going to get caught up and ultimately tagged with a Devilmite Beam. Vegeta would be wise enough to see its threat, just as he saw the Kienzan, but according to this scenario, Vegeta is sitting out.

Meanwhile, Piccolo can probably solo the six Saibamen.

[Sailor Haumea]

You were better off adding Upa's father, Bora, instead of him. And Cyborg Tao instead of Mercenary Tao. Heck, might as well add 23rd WMAT King Chappa, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Ranfan, Nam, Bacterian, Giran, Korin, Popo, Blonde Launch, Bandages the Mummy, See-Through the Invisible Man, Spike the Devilman, and Fangs the Vampire. All of these guys are going to get slaughtered by a single Saibaman unless the Devilmite Beam takes effect. None of them would matter since Vegeta will solo.

Okay, Vegeta sits out.

All the ones you mentioned are in, and have trained. Bora replaces Upa.

Who wins?

I'm inclined to believe that with so many bugs to play with, Nappa is going to get caught up and ultimately tagged with a Devilmite Beam. Vegeta would be wise enough to see its threat, just as he saw the Kienzan, but according to this scenario, Vegeta is sitting out.

Meanwhile, Piccolo can probably solo the six Saibamen.

Afterwards, what happens? Goku arrives after Nappa dies, so it's Vegeta vs. everyone.

Does anyone die against Nappa?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Here's some DBS matches!

Botamo VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)

Auta Magetta VS Buutenks (No absorbing/candybeam/blowing up of planets/fusion time limit/name-calling/insults/teasing)

Base Cabba VS SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frost VS Buuhan (No absorbing/candybeam)

Hit VS Anime SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaioken x10 (No GT Golden Great Ape logic/multiplier. Just multiply his SSJ3 power to x10 for SSJ3 Great Ape. No tail-cutting)

-Botamo is seemingly invincible, but Gohan can just throw him out into space and be done with it.

-Buutenks wins with medium difficulty.

-SSJ3 Gotenks wins with ease.

-Buuhan wins with minimal effort.

-Vegetto stomps.

[nickzambuto]

Okay, Vegeta sits out.

All the ones you mentioned are in, and have trained. Bora replaces Upa.

Who wins?

I'm inclined to believe that with so many bugs to play with, Nappa is going to get caught up and ultimately tagged with a Devilmite Beam. Vegeta would be wise enough to see its threat, just as he saw the Kienzan, but according to this scenario, Vegeta is sitting out.

Meanwhile, Piccolo can probably solo the six Saibamen.

Afterwards, what happens? Goku arrives after Nappa dies, so it's Vegeta vs. everyone.

Does anyone die against Nappa?

Anybody sub-Raditz in strength can probably be killed by Nappa with one blow, and most of these guys aren't even close to Goku who Raditz oneshotted. I imagine Nappa blitzing around with a sadistic smile on his face and obliterating the bugs with his punches one after the other, similar to SSJ2 Gohan against the Cell Jrs. The likes of Krillin, Piccolo and Ten were at least strong enough for Nappa to toy around with, but prolonging a fight with characters like Tao and friggin Bora will provide Nappa with no entertainment, so he's likely to just go around murdering them rapidly. With this in mind, if Devilman is one of his initial targets by sheer chance, the Dragon Team is screwed. They need to go into this fully prepared and having a plan of distracting Nappa so Devilman can get off his attack.

Most of those characters will likely die, but as we saw in the series, the team really only needs Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe to beat Vegeta, so it doesn't matter.

[Zamasu55]

Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?

Everyone except Nappa and Vegeta.

[Zamasu55]

Here's some DBS matches!

Botamo VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)

Auta Magetta VS Buutenks (No absorbing/candybeam/blowing up of planets/fusion time limit/name-calling/insults/teasing)

Base Cabba VS SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frost VS Buuhan (No absorbing/candybeam)

Hit VS Anime SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaioken x10 (No GT Golden Great Ape logic/multiplier. Just multiply his SSJ3 power to x10 for SSJ3 Great Ape. No tail-cutting)

1. I don't think Botamo has the strength to beat Ultimate Gohan. By the way, Goku's son can't hurt him... so this is a draw.
2. Magetta is stronger, but Buutenks's regeneration gives him the win. Magetta can't do anything against it, while Buu can find a way to win after all.
3. Ssj3 Gotenks wins. But Ssj Cabba would slaughter him on the other hand.
4. Frost takes this.
5. Hit one-shots as he did to Frost.

[Zamasu55]

Here's some DBS matches!

Botamo VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)

Auta Magetta VS Buutenks (No absorbing/candybeam/blowing up of planets/fusion time limit/name-calling/insults/teasing)

Base Cabba VS SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frost VS Buuhan (No absorbing/candybeam)

Hit VS Anime SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaioken x10 (No GT Golden Great Ape logic/multiplier. Just multiply his SSJ3 power to x10 for SSJ3 Great Ape. No tail-cutting)

-Vegetto stomps.

Oh really?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Hit VS Anime SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaioken x10 (No GT Golden Great Ape logic/multiplier. Just multiply his SSJ3 power to x10 for SSJ3 Great Ape. No tail-cutting)

-Vegetto stomps.

Oh really?

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

[Zamasu55]

-Vegetto stomps.

Oh really?

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Oh really?

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

Oozaru Vegetto Kkx10 is 100x stronger, not 20x.

[Zamasu55]

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

Oozaru Vegetto Kkx10 is 100x stronger, not 20x.

Ops.
Still nowhere near Hit.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

Oozaru Vegetto Kkx10 is 100x stronger, not 20x.

Ops.
Still nowhere near Hit.

By my gaps SSG Goku is 1.5x SSJ3 Vegetto and SSBlue is 1.5x SSG/God Base. By powerscaling Hit is still much weaker than 100x SSJ3 Vegetto.
SSJ3 Vegetto: 10
SSG Goku: 15
Goku (F): 17.5
SSBlue Goku: 26.25
Goku (Tournament): 30
SSBlue Goku (Tournament): 45
Hit (Initial): 50
Hit (Improving): 100
SSBlue Goku (Kkx10): 450
Hit (Max): 312.5
SSBlue Goku (KKx10 exhausted): 337.5
SSJ3 Oozaru Vegetto Kkx10: 1,000

[apex_pretador]

Luke Cage (Netflix series) vs Pre Roshi training Goku.

I'd say Cage edges kid Goku out in terms of durability (gunshots and an axe swing to the head still 'hurt' Goku)
But Goku's strength feats (lifting and throwing a car, lifting and crushing boulders) do seem to be more impressive than Cage's
In terms of speed I don't think that's much of a factor in this fight although Goku can run at roughly 30+ mph.

Goku is much stronger and much faster.
Luke isnt that skilled either.
Even pre roshi goku had kamehameha.
There is no way goku loses.

WMAT MATCHES!

Pamput VS Man-Wolf

Ranfan VS Bacterian

King Chappa VS Mercenary Tao

Nam VS Giran (No gum)

Man wolf is basically a wolf who has a man's body. Pamput was actually stated to be a dangerous opponent if in 21st TB. Also, man wolf is featless while pamput casually broke a wall.

Ranfan would win.

Tao is stronger by a lot and dodonpa would take chappa out definitely.

SS2 Vegeta. SS2 Trunks & SS2 Healthy Goku (Androids Saga) vs 16, 17 and 18.

Super Saiyan 2 is such a powerful transformation, that even at this level, a SS2 will take out perfect cell, let alone fodder androids

21st Budokai Oozaru Goku vs Demon King Piccolo

According to power levels, this Goku should be reaching Raditz level, which hardly seems right. So I just disregard that and put these two on about the same level since the Water was implied to have unlocked kid Goku's Oozaru strength.

Even when Ozaru, 21st budokai goku is not much of a threat to the demon king.
I generally put them at the same level with I make my power level lists, but seriously, demon king should just rip off his head from what is implied in the story.

New fights:

Black [No SSR] vs SSJ3 Goku. Both from Episode 49. SSJ3 doesn't give strain and Black doesn't have his Zenkai hax.
Black [Just after getting Goku's body] vs SSJ2 Future Trunks [DBS]. Black doesn't have his Zenkai hax.
Gowasu vs Semi Perfect Cell.
SSJ Future Vegeta vs SSJ Goku [Freeza arc].
Mecha Freeza vs Dr. Gero [vs Piccolo]. Gero can't absorb energy anymore.
Kuririn [Android arc] vs Gohan [Post Dende Zenkai].
Piccolo [Boo arc] vs SSJ Future Trunks [Cell games arc].

Black would lose IMO, but it would be a close fight.

Black unless this is post training trunks

Goku wins

Goku = Mecha arc trunks >> Future vegeta

Mecha freeza dies horribly. Organic freeza on the other hand,

Gohan was capable of briefly matching third form freeza when enraged. Krillin is not even anywhere near first form freeza.

Piccolo has far surpassed a cell junior by this point and he is looking for a challenge against SS goku and SS vegeta in 25th WMAT ring

Tambourine (no flying) VS 22nd WMAT Yamcha
Cymbal VS 22nd WMAT Chiaotzu


Speaking of Tao, let's also have manga Mercenary Tao run the gauntlet! This is the Tao that just freshly finished fighting Bora and 21st WMAT Goku. He doesn't get healed after each fight:

Nam
Fangs the Vampire
Man-Wolf (Wolf Form)
Pamput
Giran
Bacterian
Ranfan

Tambourine easily took out krillin. There is no chance yamcha stands.

Cymbal was many times weaker than tambourine. He was easily fodderized by yajirobe. Did he have flight? I don't remember. Chiaotzu must be able to hold him with his telekinesis and smack him down eventually.

Neither of them is any threat to Tao at all. He can take anyone here out with his tongue basically.

If the team fights a lone tao, they may have a shot, but a small shot.

Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Base Vegeta (immediately after his fight with Android 19, not given a senzu bean, he reverts back to base). No Ki attacks

Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Sick SSJ Goku (shortly after he gets drained by Android 19 but before he succumbs to the heart disease and stops being a SSJ). No Ki attacks

Speaking of androids, let's say Android 16 was still around when the Cell Jr.'s were spawned. Goku was exhausted from his fight with Cell and was getting beaten by a Cell Jr. What if 16 found this as an opportunity to finally finish his mission and attack Goku? The Cell Jr. stop beating Goku and just watches what happens

Android 16 VS Cell Games MSSJ Goku (post-Cell fight, and also after being beaten up by a Cell Jr)

Good/Mr. Buu (awakened immediately after Kid Buu beat him unconscious) VS Yajirobe with his sword (also during the Buu Arc. He should have climbed up and down Korin Tower countless times already throughout the King Piccolo Saga all the way to the Buu Arc). No Ki attacks or candy beam allowed. Could Yajirobe kill, cook, and eat this pink treat? Base Vegeta (after he was also beaten to a pulp by Kid Buu) was certain that he could one-shot Good/Mr. Buu with a generic ki blast at this point

.. and since we're on the topic of Vegeta..

Buu Arc Base Vegeta (with an Otherworld body, immediately after he gets beaten to a bloody pulp by Kid Buu) VS Cell Games Krillin. No Ki attacks

Humans pose no threat whatsoever to vegeta.

Or to goku

Android 16 would smash goku in this state. He couldn't help but suffer the same fate as humans against the cell jrs

Yajirobe doesn't stand a chance. Not even yamcha does, not even krillin. Tenshinhan with a full power kikoho could maybe.

Don't know.

Base Goku (GT - right after he was turned into a child) runs the gauntlet. Normal logic only. Everyone else is in the same time period as Goku. VS:
Baby (Teen - when he shows himself to Goten)
Haze Shenron
Super Saiyan 2 Pan
Super Saiyan 2 Trunks
Base Vegeta

Stops hard at pan.

New fights. All from the left are from the Mecha Freeza arc.

Vegeta vs Goku [vs Freeza, No KK]
Piccolo vs Vegeta [Post Dende Zenkai].
Gohan vs Freeza [1st form].
Kuririn vs Goku [vs Ginyu, No KK].
Tenshinhan vs Jeice.
Yamcha vs Zarbon [Transformed].
Chiaotzu vs Cui.

Vegeta loses. He is strong enough to contend with him but not to match him. Not to mention base trunks was implied to be strongest hero before he turned super saiyan.

Piccolo wins. He was confident in taking out a more trained vegeta, and piccolo isn't arrogant.

Gohan has slacked off, and while he can put up a good fight, he can't win.

Krillin is strong enough to beat goku and smart enough to not get fooled.

Tenshinhan was strong enough to beat jeece after 6 days of Kai training.

Yamcha was strong enough to take a ginyu force member after a week of kai training.

Chiaotzu must not have too much difficulty in taking out cui.

SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) vs Beerus

Power level logic aside, we don;t know if this fusion will even work, because in moments, it will be reduced to beerus vs goku and vegeta and vegetto.

Full Power Perfect Cell VS Kamiccolo + Kamiccolo Potara Fusion (Yes, that's two freshly reunited Kami and Piccolo fused with another one)

Fangs the Vampire VS Giran (No merry-go-round gum)

Kamiccolo stomps hard. Probably vaporizes super perfect cell and fat buu in one shot while holding back. Even if we assume that it will work half as good as vegetto, it took a Supe Saiyan 1 level person to Super Saiyan 4+ level
Kamiccolo will go from untrained SS1 lvl to around SS3 lvl

Charus vs Whis and Vados
Charus is a Potara fusion of Champa and Beerus (he's built like Super Buu if you were wondering). Whis and Vados are working together and are allowed to use any and all techniques (look at Fusions and Xenoverse if you need their moves. We'll say they have the same moveset, and that they can combine their attacks similar to how Black and Zamasu does it in Super), including reversing time, except for fusion. Who do you think will win, and how much effort does it take?

We don't have ANY idea how powerful whis at full power is. Anyways, if I had to speculate, I'd say the fusion kills both in one shot.

Majin Blue (Buu w/ Bluegeta and Blueku absorbed) vs Beerus.

We already know that god ki does not affect buu well, and there is no reason to believe that buu can even absorb them.

Beerus would still one shot anyways.

Cyborg Tao vs Drum.

Personally I put the two on the same level. Tao was already a legendary martial artist, but Tenshinhan and Goku, as prodigies of the next generation, had clearly surpassed his capabilities by the 22nd Budokai. Tao and Crane both should have had a good grasp on Ten's strength at the very least, he was virtually at the apex of human potential, and they knew he had trained for three more years after that. So in order for Tao to have been so confident that he was stronger than Tenshinhan and Goku, he must have gone passed human limits and reached a level of power beyond the apex of human potential, a level that humans aren't supposed to be able to reach, if that makes sense, that next level being demon-level strength.

Of course as we know, Tenshinhan isn't constrained to the confines of human limits as Tao knows it, because he's a super-prodigy of the next generation. Tao was of the last generation. So putting Cyborg Tao on the level of Drum, that level being beyond Tao's natural limits, really puts into perspective the natural potential of this next generation of martial artists, since all three of them (Ten, Krillin, and Yamcha) have been able to surpass the power of the Demon King himself by this point.

I put them as exact equals.

Tao implied that he can effortlessly dominate 22nd TB tien with some training.
Drum showed the same.

Both are also well below ful power piccolo daimao, as suppressed goku one-shotted drum and suppressed tien one shotted tao.

However, if I had to choose one winner, I'd choose cyborg tao because super dodonpa.

Present Yajirobe vs Future Yajirobe
Sorbet vs Muten Roshi ( Roshi is aware that Sorbet has a OP laser ring )
Chaozu & Tenshinhan's combined Dodonpa vs Kuririn & Yamcha's combined Kamehameha ( All the humans have the same power level )
Gohan ( DBS after the training with Piccolo ) vs Magetta

Yajirobe

Roshi doesn't have a chance. Sorbet is SSG level, who tanked a finger flick from SPC lvl fighter.

Team humans which have one bald guy and both members have different heights.

Magetta wins

Dr Wheelo vs Saiyan Saga Vegeta

Vegeta one shots

Here's some new fights:

- Avo and Cado vs. Lord Slug (young).
- 7 Cell Juniors vs. Kaioshin, Piccolo (Boo arc), SSJ Trunks and SSJ Son Goten (28th Budokai).
- Muten Roshi (base, Resurrection F) vs. Raditz.
- Demon Clan (Drum, Tambourine, Cymbal) vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Krillin and Muten Roshi (22nd Budokai).
- SSJ Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Ultimate Son Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks (Boo arc).

Who is the strongest character Nuova Shenron could defeat in the original Manga?

Piccolo can take 3 cell jrs at the same time. Goten and trunks can handle one each. It comes down to kaioshin. What his kaioshin's power level? Considering he was able to hold a SS2 gohan, who even weakened, should one shot a jr, I'd say he should be able to handle 2 cell jrs.

Drum solos both sides.

Gogeta wins

ay this can be won would be if Kaioshin immediately paralyzes one and then Piccolo immediately would
Androids Saga pre-Kami Piccolo VS 17&18 in a Mighty Mask outfit

[17 and 18 would be in the same position as Goten and Trunks were in the Mighty Mask outfit. The outfit is tailored to fit 17&18 with the same proportion as it did on Goten and Trunks. Complete with eye holes at the torso. 18 at the bottom and 17 sitting on her shoulders. The androids and Piccolo have no intent to kill. Winner only by KO or submission just like WMAT rules]

Piccolo isn't strong enough.

Even kamiccolo wouldn't win.

Omega Buuly (Buu w/ Omega Shenron and LSSJ4 Broly absorbed) vs SSJ4 Gogeta

Manga Logic Buu wins because Gogeta toys around with him too much and ends up running out of time.
Anime Logic A tough fight but Gogeta wins, since he's not just a fusion of 2 of the top 3 warriors, but also a SSJ4.
GT Logic Gogeta wins because the "Go" in Gogeta comes from Goku.
Movie Logic Broly's power is MAXIMUM, he stomps alone.
Video Game Logic LSSJ4 Broly stomps Gogeta on his own.But then Gogeta punches him in the gut

Overall Gogeta would win if he doesn't screw around, but it won't be too easy to finish it so quickly. A tough battle for the fused SSJ4.

Normal logic - Buu is unable to hold broly and omega shenron and explodes, killing the three of them, gogeta wins!

Here's a couple from me:
Cell Games Vegeta vs 50% MSSJ Gohan
Buu Arc SSJ Gohan vs Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Healthy SSJ Goku vs Future Androids

Gohan is stronger than vegeta but not 2x stronger.
Vegeta is also a better fighter, vegeta wins.


Gohan is slightly outmatched in power,and significantly outmatched in fighting ability. Goku wins.

A single android will beat goku.

Kibito VS Android 16 (No self-destruct)

and another match..

Namekian Fusion of 3 average warrior-type Namekians (each with a power level of around 3,000) go through a gauntlet:
[Gets healed after each fight]

1.] Dodoria
2.] Transformed Zarbon
3.] Recoome
4.] Captain Ginyu (No change body)
5.] First Form Frieza
6.] Second Form Frieza
7.] Third Form Frieza
8.] 50% Final Form Frieza
9.] 100% Final Form Frieza
10.] TV Special SSJ Future Gohan (two-armed)

Android 16 wins, Kibito was unimpressive.

A warrior-type merging of 3000 pl would be around Nail level , around 45,000. Add to it another warrior, at 3000, and the result is able to far surpass Ginyu but not anywhere even close to freeza.

SSJ Great Ape Vegeta (Cell Games) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Vegeta's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.

Goku rather handily.

Alright, let's change it up a bit and make the monkey stronger

SSJ Great Ape Gohan (25th WMAT) VS SSJ3 Goku (Buu Arc, in Otherworldly body)

No GT Golden Great Ape logic. Just Gohan's SSJ power x10. No tail cutting.

Still goku,

The difference between gohan and goku was rather significant.

A couple of fights:

Moori vs Appule.
Android 8 vs Goku [Post Karin].
Android 20 [vs Piccolo] vs Mecha Freeza.
Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu [All from the Boo arc] vs Vegeta [vs First Form Freeza].
Young Roshi [on his prime] vs Goku [22nd Budokai].
Merged Zamasu vs Beerus.

Goku
Gero
Vegeta , but team has a chance
Goku easily
Beerus

New matches: (under Tenkaichi Budokai arena conditions)

- Final Form Freeza (Namek) vs Dr. Gero (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Goku (current) vs Vegeta (current) (No transformations/Ki Blasts)
- Great Saiyaman (Boo Arc) vs Goten (Boo Arc) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Perfect Cell vs South Kaioshin (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Piccolo (Boo Arc) vs Future Trunks (after Cell Games) (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Recoome vs Burter (No Ki Blasts allowed)
- Super Boo vs Super Gogeta (No Ki Blasts allowed)

Freeza smashes him, and shows how the strongest in the universe looks like.

Vegeta is stronger he wins.

Gohan wins

Kaioshin beats him to death

Piccolo wins. Stronger and better fighter

Gogeta rips him apart or beats him to death or throws him out of rng

I'm interested in what the overall consensus is for the following:

- Strongest character Piccolo (film version of Resurrection F) could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character current Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?
- Strongest character End of Z Piccolo could defeat in the original Manga?

- No indication is given, but if I had to guess, i'd say cell games gohan (SS)
- Current piccolo can beat SS3 gotenks from manga IMO. But onyl using strategy. He shouldn't be able to beat gohan.
- No way to tell.

Here's four:

Ultimate Buu* vs. Super Janemba
Ultimate Buu vs. Hirudegarn
Ultimate Buu vs. Beerus
Ultimate Buu vs. Golden Frieza

*Also called Buuhan.

Buuhan easily

Too close to call. I'm siding with buuhan because of versatility

Okay, this isn't funny.

Let's have some fusions and absorbing match ups going on!

Manga SSJ3 Tienku (Goku + Tien Potara Fusion, and then turned SSJ3) and Manga SSJ2 Vegapis (Vegeta + Android 17 Fusion and then turned SSJ2) VS Manga Buuhan (Super Buu absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan, Piccolo, and base Goten and Trunks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. Just assume that Android 17 won't cause problems with the fusion and imagine Vegeta as fusing with someone roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo]

Android 17 and Android 18 Fusion Dance VS Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan
[Ignore the GT #17+Hell Fighter 17 Fusion logic or multiplier. Just imagine two people that are roughly as powerful as the freshly reunited Kamiccolo, successfully fusing]

25th WMAT Krillin + Yamcha Fusion Dance VS SSJ Goku (Namek Arc)
[No Solar Flare or Kienzan allowed. Ignore the height thing between Yamcha and Krillin and just assume that both will successfully fuse]

Chi Chi VS Yajirobe
[Both during the 23rd WMAT. No sword of course]

Goku tien fusion turning SS3 would smash any form of buu.

Using Gotenks as an example, it put 2 cell jr level fighters to above SS2 vegeta level, to a level where it was believed that he could take fat buu out, but even after training below SS3 goku level.
This is an extremely close match, and I do think android 35 has a small advantage, it is not enough to take out gohan in 30 minutes.

Again, using SS gotenks as example, it would put them above base goku but not quite upto on par with SS goku. He wins rather easily.

Yajirobe > Roshi > ChiChi

SSJ Bacterian vs Nappa

Let's have a little WMAT tourney! Who'll win their matches and the tournament to become the World Champion?

And a bit of a twist ending: whoever wins this tournament gets to immediately challenge the reigning World Champ, Mr. Hercule Satan!

King chappa was implied to be strong enough to trouble goku. However, it is only due to his reputation, and he was never a serious threat to goku.
I'd imagine that Chappa is around an average high end 21st TB fighter, around nam level. He should beat gilan but the gum seals him and he gets thrown away.

Spopovich had flight and ki attacks. Man wolf never impressed me. Although he was strong, spopovich's durability and ki attacks give him the win.

Pamput would hesitate fighting ranfan, who would initially dominate the fight, but soon, a powerful punch from pamput knocks her out of the ring, not even allowing her to use her seduction tricks.

Bacterian is physically far stronger. He would throw videl out of the ring, let alone using his small as a weapon.

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Spopovich can fly but gilan is physically stronger and can himself fly too. Gilan beats him.

Pamput would knock him out with one solid hit.
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Pamput is far stronger than 21st TB goku, if we compare their performance against wall.
Pamput wins.

[DBZ Macky]

Now I'm it's been done in a "what-if" thread before, but I think the following classifies as a "Versus" match.
What if the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai wasn't interrupted?

The match-ups (random human schmoes are replaced by characters of my liking):
Kuririn VS Tenshinhan
Shin VS Majunior //Assuming Piccolo doesn't give up
Spopovich VS Videl
Kibito VS Great Saiyaman
Goku VS Vegeta
#18 VS #17
Yamcha VS Mighty Mask (Goten and Trunks) //Assuming their identity isn't revealed

Edit: Winner does not recover from previous damage. The champion fights Mr. Satan, who may get powered up by Demigra if required

[Anime Kitten]

Base Cabba VS SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc)

Oh! I know this one! Vegeta's and Cabba's Bases are about equal, and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks from Super should be at least just as strong as SSJ3 Gotenks from Z. Copy-Vegeta's Base (exactly equal to Vegeta's Base) crushed SSJ3 Gotenks. So Cabba takes this one easily!

[ssbgoku]

Oh really?

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

What ?!. I could be ok with it back then when bog movie and rof were adapted but as current anime stay never. I mean super anime is terrible at retconns and loosing consitency by making characters as strong as plot require them to be at the moment. Of course I still enjoy it due to animation and entertainment but it is nowhere close where it could be with leggit pl.

I would say that battle of gods arc made these things clear:

1) 10% beerus > ss vegetto > Enraged Vegeta > Heavily supressed beerus
2) 100% beerus >>> ss3 vegetto(even bog arc)

[Zamasu55]

Yep, by my numbers Vegetto would be at 400,000,000,000,000 whereas Hit's max is a mere 125,000,000,000,000. He gets oneshotted.

Ssj3 Vegito was stated to be a non-factor against Beerus by Goku. We all know that Beerus was suppressed a lot against Ssj3 Goku, and even now we don't know how much % he used when he fought SsjG Goku. We know for sure that current Goku and Vegeta are much weaker than him in their SsjB forms, as they themselves stated, and that he can easily destroy Future Zamasu, who's immortal.
But anyway, Beyond God Goku (Copy-Vegeta saga) was able to take on the same Beerus who took the shit out of the Z fighters and would have surclassed Ssj3 Vegito too.

So, do you really think that Vegito Oozaru, who even with Kaiokhen x10, is only 20x stronger than his Ssj3 self, would one-shot Hit, who's leagues above Beyond God Goku and was stronger than SsjB Kkx10 Goku? And he wasn't even at full power.

What ?!. I could be ok with it back then when bog movie and rof were adapted but as current anime stay never. I mean super anime is terrible at retconns and loosing consitency by making characters as strong as plot require them to be at the moment. Of course I still enjoy it due to animation and entertainment but it is nowhere close where it could be with leggit pl.

I would say that battle of gods arc made these things clear:

1) 10% beerus > ss vegetto > Enraged Vegeta > Heavily supressed beerus
2) 100% beerus >>> ss3 vegetto(even bog arc)

Beerus can easily defeat SsjB Goku and Vegeta, Black Goku and Future Zamasu. This was stated both in the anime and in the manga.
Deal with it my friend.

[Steven Bloodriver]

[spoiler]1) Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga) and Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Classic orange and blue uniform, has one arm) vs. Super Saiyan Vegeta (Androids Saga).

2) Super Saiyan Xeno Bardock (Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2, from the secret fight with Base Form Mira) vs. Super Saiyan Kid Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: The Father of Goku) and Super Saiyan King Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: The Father of Goku).

3) Original Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Goku vs. Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta and Baby Hirudegarn.

4) Super Saiyan Gine (Dragon Ball Minus) vs. Vegeta (Saiyans Saga).

5) Super Saiyan Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) and Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Classic orange and blue uniform, has one arm) vs. Super Vegeta.

6) Super Saiyan Blue Goku (Resurrection F) and Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) vs. Super Perfect Cell (Super 17 Absorbed).

7) Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Classic orange and blue uniform, has one arm) and Super Saiyan Pan (GT) vs. Future Androids 17 and 18.[/spoiler]

[spoiler] Super Saiyan Future Gohan (Classic orange and blue uniform, has one arm) vs. Future Android 17. (Both from their rematch in the Dragon Ball Z: The History of Trunks Television Special, but with no Future Android 18 involvement at all.)

9) Teen Chi-Chi (23rd World Tournament) and Gine (Dragon Ball Minus) vs. Van Zant and Smitty.

10) Super Saiyan Blue Future Gohan (Classic orange and blue uniform, has one arm) and Super Saiyan Blue Gine (Dragon Ball Minus) vs. Perfect Future Cell (with equal power to Majin Vegeta) and Future Dabura (From the Dragon Ball Super Manga version).

11) Super Saiyan 2 Xeno Bardock (Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2, from the secret fight with Base Form Mira) and Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan (Cell Games) vs. Super Saiyan 2 Kid Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: The Father of Goku) and Super Saiyan 2 King Vegeta (Dragon Ball Z: The Father of Goku).

12) Super Saiyan God Goku (Cell Games), Super Saiyan God Teen Gohan (Cell Games), and Super Saiyan God Future Trunks (Cell Games) vs. Present Zamasu.[/spoiler]