Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Doctor.]

Yes. He could have brought it all back with the Dragon Balls and didn't even consider it. All he wanted was immortality. He also could have created a new race of saiyans by using earth women as it was suggested by Nappa, and he disagreed saying that he didn't want kids becoming stronger than him. And when he finds out from Dodoria that Freeza was the one that destroyed his planet, he doesn't even get mad.

Vegeta only cares about his race and planet when it's convenient for him to care, like in that moment to turn down Freeza or when he was about to die in Namek so that Goku could be more motivated to fight.

He also wanted to destroy Earth and look how that turned out. Current Vegeta is different than the Vegeta you knew before, he's a lot nicer and less egotistical now; it's not far-fetched to think he grew feelings over... um, his damn home planet.

Even though the Planet Vegeta wasn't their original planet to begin with?

It doesn't matter, it was where he was born.

[rereboy]

He also wanted to destroy Earth and look how that turned out. Current Vegeta is different than the Vegeta you knew before, he's a lot nicer and less egotistical now; it's not far-fetched to think he grew feelings over... um, his damn home planet.

I think it would work the opposite way, actually... If he is a good person now, then he should be disgusted by his planet and his fellow saiyans since they were genocidal bastards, little better than Freeza, making him care even less.

[Doctor.]

He also wanted to destroy Earth and look how that turned out. Current Vegeta is different than the Vegeta you knew before, he's a lot nicer and less egotistical now; it's not far-fetched to think he grew feelings over... um, his damn home planet.

I think it would work the opposite way, actually... If he is a good person now, then he should be disgusted by his planet and his fellow saiyans since they were genocidal bastards, little better than Freeza, making him care even less.

He didn't say anything about the Saiyans, though. He specifically said Planet Vegeta, not "my race".

[Baggie_Saiyan]

For someone who takes such huge pride in being a Saiyan, do you really think he'd have zero emotional attachments to Planet Vegeta?

Even though the Planet Vegeta wasn't their original planet to begin with?

What does that have to do with anything? Vegeta was born when the planet was ruled by Saiyans. Just like I was born in my childhood home even though people lived there before, doesn't stop me having attachment to it.

[Marco Polo]

He also wanted to destroy Earth and look how that turned out. Current Vegeta is different than the Vegeta you knew before, he's a lot nicer and less egotistical now; it's not far-fetched to think he grew feelings over... um, his damn home planet.

I think it would work the opposite way, actually... If he is a good person now, then he should be disgusted by his planet and his fellow saiyans since they were genocidal bastards, little better than Freeza, making him care even less.

Not all Saiyans were genocidal bastards. Gine, the original Super Saiyan God and his 5 friends were all good people.

[rereboy]

He didn't say anything about the Saiyans, though. He specifically said Planet Vegeta, not "my race".

What would could he love so much about the planet besides his people? The climate? The house he lived in?

Not all Saiyans were genocidal bastards. Gine, the original Super Saiyan God and his 5 friends were all good people.

So, 99,9% of them were genocidal bastards, and within those who weren't, most, like Gine, were fine with everyone else being genocidal bastards? What a great people

[Doctor.]

He didn't say anything about the Saiyans, though. He specifically said Planet Vegeta, not "my race".

What would could he love so much about the planet besides his people? The climate? The house he lived in?

What if Portugal was blown up whilst you were in vacation in Spain? Would you not care?

Either way, Goku says "You weren't just upset that your Saiyan friends were killed (...)", implying that indeed he was upset about it; the fact that Vegeta's speech before dying revolved around planet Vegeta proves this.

[rereboy]

What if Portugal was blown up whilst you were in vacation in Spain? Would you not care?

Either way, Goku says "You weren't just upset that your Saiyan friends were killed (...)", implying that indeed he was upset about it; the fact that Vegeta's speech before dying revolved around planet Vegeta proves this.

Since I'm a normal/good person, If Portugal was a country like Planet Vegeta, filled with people like the saiyans, I wouldn't care.

That's like arguing that if someone gathered every murderer in Portugal in a city block and removed everyone else from that place, and someone blew up that city block, I would be terribly upset by it. At most I would argue that they should have another penalty besides death. The last concern would be material things and the place itself.

[Dyno]

Well, didn't Toriyama gave a guarantee that TV Special was somewhat canon? Anyway I ignore his new stuff because he keeps forgeting stuff. I don't know how can someone could prefer Minus instead of TV Special.

Yes. The inclusion of Bardock above planet Vegeta with many soldiers behind and the way Freeza destroys using just one hand the same way what we saw in the TV Special, and the fact that the episode correspondig of the chapter 307 used the same scene from the TV Special, led to almost everyone believe that it was somewhat canon, now it is only partially considered. But anyway.

[Doctor.]

What if Portugal was blown up whilst you were in vacation in Spain? Would you not care?

Either way, Goku says "You weren't just upset that your Saiyan friends were killed (...)", implying that indeed he was upset about it; the fact that Vegeta's speech before dying revolved around planet Vegeta proves this.

Since I'm a normal/good person, If Portugal was a country like Planet Vegeta, filled with people like the saiyans, I wouldn't care.

That's like arguing that if someone gathered every murderer in Portugal in a city block and removed everyone else from that place, and someone blew up that city block, I would be terribly upset by it. At most I would argue that they should have another penalty besides death. The last concern would be material things and the place itself.

I don't know about you, but nationalism still exists. If they kept only murderers in a country, evacuated everyone else and still blew up the country, I'd still feel sad that it was lost meaninglessly.

[radrappy]

Well, didn't Toriyama gave a guarantee that TV Special was somewhat canon?

He did not. Where did you read that?

No guarantee was given but Tarble was indeed referenced in BoG, for what it's worth.

[bubibartra]

What if Portugal was blown up whilst you were in vacation in Spain? Would you not care?

Either way, Goku says "You weren't just upset that your Saiyan friends were killed (...)", implying that indeed he was upset about it; the fact that Vegeta's speech before dying revolved around planet Vegeta proves this.

Since I'm a normal/good person, If Portugal was a country like Planet Vegeta, filled with people like the saiyans, I wouldn't care.

That's like arguing that if someone gathered every murderer in Portugal in a city block and removed everyone else from that place, and someone blew up that city block, I would be terribly upset by it. At most I would argue that they should have another penalty besides death. The last concern would be material things and the place itself.

And children?

Vegeta is not a psychopath without feelings, because he develops feelings after. simply was a child raised in a violent society and then placed in the care of a Hitler-spatial, responsible for the death of his family. Then Vegeta gets to be a good person but Vegeta was never a heartless bastard simply learned to bury, On Namek, in the end you understand that his planet destrución hurt him. Above ground, he can kill everyone when goku is in the space, nobody could stop he, and he do not. He could have gone to conquer planets, he do not, then after Cell he can go into space and assemble an empire, but he does not want it, , simply vegetata does not like to kill, then uin Boo saga try to do it, return to kill, when allowed the control of Babidi, but finally, he hated that life and loved his family, Only Vegeta, in his childhood, had no choice. Gine was very weak, so no one forced her to fight, if she being strong would have been forced to kill. In the world of vegeta planet, a planet of conquerors under the control of a space genocide, not had choice, when Vegeta is an option, he not changes immediately because it has a lot of trauma but finally he changues. If Vegeta having been a pychopath unfeeling never could have changed.

Goku could have been another, Vegeta. You can not compare as Saiyans Vegeta or others because Porrtugal is not a violent country where children of 8 years are forced to kill. Your not do not know how these children saiyan could have been in a beautiful country like Portugal,

[Chuquita]

Any progress updates on the full/unabridged summary for the site? I look forward to reading it once it's finished.

[Sora Saiyan]

RE: Planet Vegeta

Vegeta clearly cares for Planet Vegeta, it makes no difference how any one of us feel if we were in that situation, there's going to be people who love there home no matter how bad the people are who occupy it. He has an attachment to his planet and it doesn't mean he has to care for all the saiyans who lived on it. If this movie implies he has an attachment to his planet I don't see what needs explaining.

[radrappy]

I don't know if this has already been covered but I tried to collect every english review of the film I could find into one place:

http://www.geekoutpost.com/we-review-dr ... atsu-no-f/

http://www.otakuusamagazine.com/Anime/N ... -6414.aspx

http://blogs.indiewire.com/animationsco ... f-20150415

http://www.geekscape.net/geekscape-revi ... r-spoilers

http://kotaku.com/dragon-ball-z-resurre ... 1698910861

Only the Kotaku review could be really considered negative. It's easy to get lost in the pessimism in the pages of this topic, but the response is very positive.

[fadeddreams5]

Most of those reviews are positive. >.>

Any progress updates on the full/unabridged summary for the site? I look forward to reading it once it's finished.

Somebody answer her already!

[Chuquita]

My current guess is aside from a spare time thing, maybe they're incorporating quotes from the script they obtained in the F book?

[rereboy]

And children?

Vegeta is not a psychopath without feelings, because he develops feelings after. simply was a child raised in a violent society and then placed in the care of a Hitler-spatial, responsible for the death of his family. Then Vegeta gets to be a good person but Vegeta was never a heartless bastard simply learned to bury, On Namek, in the end you understand that his planet destrución hurt him. Above ground, he can kill everyone when goku is in the space, nobody could stop he, and he do not. He could have gone to conquer planets, he do not, then after Cell he can go into space and assemble an empire, but he does not want it, , simply vegetata does not like to kill, then uin Boo saga try to do it, return to kill, when allowed the control of Babidi, but finally, he hated that life and loved his family, Only Vegeta, in his childhood, had no choice. Gine was very weak, so no one forced her to fight, if she being strong would have been forced to kill. In the world of vegeta planet, a planet of conquerors under the control of a space genocide, not had choice, when Vegeta is an option, he not changes immediately because it has a lot of trauma but finally he changues. If Vegeta having been a pychopath unfeeling never could have changed.

Goku could have been another, Vegeta. You can not compare as Saiyans Vegeta or others because Porrtugal is not a violent country where children of 8 years are forced to kill. Your not do not know how these children saiyan could have been in a beautiful country like Portugal,

That's already going too far besides the original point and it's too focused on the real-world exceptional difficulties and problems that such a scenario would imply, especially since what I meant was that I wouldn't care about the place itself.

What they could have been and why they are what they are, isn't particularly important for the original point and the world of Dragon Ball. The fact is that, as demonstrated, Vegeta didn't care at all about his planet and people before he was good, and not that he is good, I don't see why that would change since his planet and people were pretty much the opposite of what he values now that he is good.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Any progress updates on the full/unabridged summary for the site? I look forward to reading it once it's finished.

Why do you keep asking the same question again and again? It will be updated when it's updated. Having a little patience is not going to hurt you.

[Chuquita]

No need to be mean. I'm asking because I want to know. If they answer it's their decision.