The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:18 am

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
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apex_pretador wrote: I'm saying

SSB Vegetto >>> Super SS4 vegetto > SSB Vegeta (current) >> GT SS4 vegetto
I would say SSB Vegetto >>>>>>>>> SSB Vegeta (Current) >> GT SSJ4 Vegetto >>> SSJ4 Vegetto (Current)

There is no proof of this.
There is no proof of any power comparison between Super and GT, it's all speculation.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:01 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
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TheUltimateNinja wrote: I would say SSB Vegetto >>>>>>>>> SSB Vegeta (Current) >> GT SSJ4 Vegetto >>> SSJ4 Vegetto (Current)

There is no proof of this.
There is no proof of any power comparison between Super and GT, it's all speculation.

Exactly there is also no proof of who is stronger but yet you all choose Super Characters over GT why is that?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:05 am

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
There is no proof of this.
There is no proof of any power comparison between Super and GT, it's all speculation.

Exactly there is also no proof of who is stronger but yet you all choose Super Characters over GT why is that?
SSJ4 was stated to be as strong as Super Vegetto in the Shueisha DBGT comics, whereas SSG surpasses Super Vegetto by a lot.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:51 am

Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. No fusion time limit]

SSJ Future Trunks with sword (first appearance) and SSJ Goku (Yardrat) VS Four Final Form Organic 100% Freeza's
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:07 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: There is no proof of any power comparison between Super and GT, it's all speculation.

Exactly there is also no proof of who is stronger but yet you all choose Super Characters over GT why is that?
SSJ4 was stated to be as strong as Super Vegetto in the Shueisha DBGT comics, whereas SSG surpasses Super Vegetto by a lot.

It said "perhaps" Vegetto is as strong and that was ssj4 Goku.

Perhaps:A possibility of something happening.

What proof Vegetto is not as strong as ssg? Vegetto post god ritual has never fought Beerus. Goku said that might not be enough to put him down and even then ssg didn't beat Beerus either.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:42 am

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:

Exactly there is also no proof of who is stronger but yet you all choose Super Characters over GT why is that?
SSJ4 was stated to be as strong as Super Vegetto in the Shueisha DBGT comics, whereas SSG surpasses Super Vegetto by a lot.

It said "perhaps" Vegetto is as strong and that was ssj4 Goku.

Perhaps:A possibility of something happening.

What proof Vegetto is not as strong as ssg? Vegetto post god ritual has never fought Beerus. Goku said that might not be enough to put him down and even then ssg didn't beat Beerus either.
Goku was referring to an even more heavily suppressed Beerus when he said Vegetto wouldn't do the job, and SSG is indeed superior to Vegetto as Goku said he never imagined SSG's level power when he first started using it and he had already seen Super Vegetto's power beforehand.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ryan1227 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:40 pm

Angelus wrote:Good/Mr. Buu (absorbed Ultimate/Mystic Gohan) VS Skinny Grey Evil Buu (absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing. No fusion time limit]

SSJ Future Trunks with sword (first appearance) and SSJ Goku (Yardrat) VS Four Final Form Organic 100% Freeza's
- The gap between Good Boo and Pure Evil Boo is larger than the gap between SSj3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan imo, so Pure Evil Boo will still win without too much trouble.

- Trunks slices them into ribbons while Goku chills out somewhere else.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:14 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: SSJ4 was stated to be as strong as Super Vegetto in the Shueisha DBGT comics, whereas SSG surpasses Super Vegetto by a lot.

It said "perhaps" Vegetto is as strong and that was ssj4 Goku.

Perhaps:A possibility of something happening.

What proof Vegetto is not as strong as ssg? Vegetto post god ritual has never fought Beerus. Goku said that might not be enough to put him down and even then ssg didn't beat Beerus either.
Goku was referring to an even more heavily suppressed Beerus when he said Vegetto wouldn't do the job, and SSG is indeed superior to Vegetto as Goku said he never imagined SSG's level power when he first started using it and he had already seen Super Vegetto's power beforehand.

So because he says it while he was suppressed that means he us refering to a supperssed Beerus? Thats BS and you know it. Beerus was strong and Goku knows it he knows Beerus used only a little power fighting him. Now explain to me how he was refering to a suppressed when he knows Beerus was holding back and could dish out a whole lot more? In dbz they judge a characters strength entirely not one spec of it. That would break logic if he did so.

He never imagined Ssg being that strong? What does that have to do with Vegetto?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:17 pm

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:

It said "perhaps" Vegetto is as strong and that was ssj4 Goku.

Perhaps:A possibility of something happening.

What proof Vegetto is not as strong as ssg? Vegetto post god ritual has never fought Beerus. Goku said that might not be enough to put him down and even then ssg didn't beat Beerus either.
Goku was referring to an even more heavily suppressed Beerus when he said Vegetto wouldn't do the job, and SSG is indeed superior to Vegetto as Goku said he never imagined SSG's level power when he first started using it and he had already seen Super Vegetto's power beforehand.

So because he says it while he was suppressed that means he us refering to a supperssed Beerus? Thats BS and you know it. Beerus was strong and Goku knows it he knows Beerus used only a little power fighting him. Now explain to me how he was refering to a suppressed when he knows Beerus was holding back and could dish out a whole lot more? In dbz they judge a characters strength entirely not one spec of it. That would break logic if he did so.

He never imagined Ssg being that strong? What does that have to do with Vegetto?
He said he never imagined a power like that existed, if Vegetto was that strong he wouldn't need to imagine anything as he already knows that level of power.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Perfectionist-Cell » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:40 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Goku was referring to an even more heavily suppressed Beerus when he said Vegetto wouldn't do the job, and SSG is indeed superior to Vegetto as Goku said he never imagined SSG's level power when he first started using it and he had already seen Super Vegetto's power beforehand.

So because he says it while he was suppressed that means he us refering to a supperssed Beerus? Thats BS and you know it. Beerus was strong and Goku knows it he knows Beerus used only a little power fighting him. Now explain to me how he was refering to a suppressed when he knows Beerus was holding back and could dish out a whole lot more? In dbz they judge a characters strength entirely not one spec of it. That would break logic if he did so.

He never imagined Ssg being that strong? What does that have to do with Vegetto?
He said he never imagined a power like that existed, if Vegetto was that strong he wouldn't need to imagine anything as he already knows that level of power.

Now you are rewording what you said. You say he never imagined a power like this and now you say he never imagined a power like that existed. Also since you are referring to the movie Goku had doubts that ssg could be enough anyway so that is probably is why he said he did not imagine ssg being this strong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:12 pm

Perfectionist-Cell wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Perfectionist-Cell wrote:

So because he says it while he was suppressed that means he us refering to a supperssed Beerus? Thats BS and you know it. Beerus was strong and Goku knows it he knows Beerus used only a little power fighting him. Now explain to me how he was refering to a suppressed when he knows Beerus was holding back and could dish out a whole lot more? In dbz they judge a characters strength entirely not one spec of it. That would break logic if he did so.

He never imagined Ssg being that strong? What does that have to do with Vegetto?
He said he never imagined a power like that existed, if Vegetto was that strong he wouldn't need to imagine anything as he already knows that level of power.

Now you are rewording what you said. You say he never imagined a power like this and now you say he never imagined a power like that existed. Also since you are referring to the movie Goku had doubts that ssg could be enough anyway so that is probably is why he said he did not imagine ssg being this strong.
If it was weaker than Vegetto he wouldn't even use it and he'd just fuse with Vegeta instead.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:13 pm

Am I the only one who hates responses like these?

[spoiler]Goku>>>>>>>Piccolo>>>>>>>Kuririn[/spoiler]

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:44 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:Am I the only one who hates responses like these?

[spoiler]Goku>>>>>>>Piccolo>>>>>>>Kuririn[/spoiler]
These at least are better than:

[spoiler]x one-shots y, y curbstomp z and etc.[/spoiler]
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Post by DanielSSJ » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:50 pm

Noah wrote:These at least are better than:

[spoiler]x one-shots y, y curbstomp z and etc.[/spoiler]
They're better, but not by much. At least write a full sentence explaining yourself people!

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:27 pm

Probably gets asked a lot but....

SSJ Future Trunks with sword (first appearance) VS 5th Form Cooler, Mecha Frieza, 100% Final Form Organic Frieza

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:35 pm

Angelus wrote:Probably gets asked a lot but....

SSJ Future Trunks with sword (first appearance) VS 5th Form Cooler, Mecha Frieza, 100% Final Form Organic Frieza
He gets wrecked by 5th form Cooler.

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Post by Angelus » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:38 pm

Okay let's change it up and have

SSJ Goku (Yardrat) and SSJ Future Trunks (first appearance, with sword ) VS 5th Form Cooler

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:58 pm

Angelus wrote:Okay let's change it up and have

SSJ Goku (Yardrat) and SSJ Future Trunks (first appearance, with sword ) VS 5th Form Cooler
Don't know why anyone thinks Cooler is that strong. He's slightly above Mecha Frieza, that's it. Ssj Trunks one-shots on his own, adding Goku is overkill.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:01 pm

Angelus wrote:Okay let's change it up and have

SSJ Goku (Yardrat) and SSJ Future Trunks (first appearance, with sword ) VS 5th Form Cooler
He can take either on his own (he nearly killed mid-Android-training Goku, Trunks couldn't do shit to a much weaker Goku's finger), but both at the same time is entirely too much for him.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Analytic » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:06 pm

Angelus wrote:SSJ Goku (Yardrat) and SSJ Future Trunks (first appearance, with sword ) VS 5th Form Cooler
I think Trunks alone could beat Cooler easily. I consider 5th form Cooler to be equal to Mecha Freeza, and we saw how easily he was dismantled by Trunks.

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