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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Great Saiyaman I » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:37 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:I've come to realize that the majority of DB fans are scared to admit that the dub music is better than the original's. Talk about being illogical...
Because I can't like something if you don't like it. :?

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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Metalwario64 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:20 pm

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:I've come to realize that the majority of DB fans are scared to admit that the dub music is better than the original's. Talk about being illogical...
I just love how you state that as though it's a fact that the dub music is superior...

In my experience, it seems to be the other way around honestly, at least somewhat; it is admittedly mostly on YouTube, with comments like "This sounds old, like before 80's old. This sounds like something from the 60's!" or "wth is dis shit falconers bett than this shite". I've even seen a extreme cases, where a few people wouldn't buy the Dragon Ball Season Sets because FUNimation didn't create a dub music track specifically for those sets!

But on the other side of the isle, you have dub fans who truly, genuinely prefer the dub music and have given the original score a fair chance, so I'm definitely not trying to generalize a whole group of people here before anyone jumps on me, but in my experience, said group of people seem to be few and far between.
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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Perfect » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:25 pm

Each soundtrack has it's fair share of moments. One might say that one or the other sounds better in certain areas, one can't assert an opinion over another without creating conflict.
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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Coola Yagami » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:26 pm

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Coola Yagami wrote:The deal is DB is done. Nothing else can be done. EVERY game starts off with the same ol 'Raditz arrives on Earth and tells Goku he's a Saiyan' thing. How many more games are we gonna have with re-creations of the Saiyan saga and such?

Naruto is on-going and has the advantage or making a new game based on their latest saga and showcasing the newest characters. DB's most recent games exhausted almost everyone they could have possibly used, including GT characters, movie villians and DB characters. I mean, the only people they have yet to include are Tarble and Hatchyakku. Or have DB Kai make a new movie and put that new villian into the game.
That's because the same game design concepts are being used over and over, they're many different styles they could approach the design of the game with. Hopefully one of these years they'll introduce something unique, I'd love an awesome DB / Z RPG for my 360.

But again... it'll be an awesome RPG.... about Raditz arriving... and the Saiyan Saga... and Freeza and so forth. There's just not much that can be done unless Kai makes new movies or whatever.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:29 pm

Uh, Ultimate_DB_Fan...you're just looking for an argument with that. And it's not even true either. Neither is the inverse *ahem*
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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Perfect » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:50 pm

Coola Yagami wrote:
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Coola Yagami wrote:The deal is DB is done. Nothing else can be done. EVERY game starts off with the same ol 'Raditz arrives on Earth and tells Goku he's a Saiyan' thing. How many more games are we gonna have with re-creations of the Saiyan saga and such?

Naruto is on-going and has the advantage or making a new game based on their latest saga and showcasing the newest characters. DB's most recent games exhausted almost everyone they could have possibly used, including GT characters, movie villians and DB characters. I mean, the only people they have yet to include are Tarble and Hatchyakku. Or have DB Kai make a new movie and put that new villian into the game.
That's because the same game design concepts are being used over and over, they're many different styles they could approach the design of the game with. Hopefully one of these years they'll introduce something unique, I'd love an awesome DB / Z RPG for my 360.

But again... it'll be an awesome RPG.... about Raditz arriving... and the Saiyan Saga... and Freeza and so forth. There's just not much that can be done unless Kai makes new movies or whatever.
Because Z is the only part of Dragon Ball that exists, and there's no such thing as video game exclusive plot-lines. There's also no such thing as innovative gameplay.</sarcasm>

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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Rocketman » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:29 pm

Perfect wrote:Because Z is the only part of Dragon Ball that exists,
DB and GT don't sell.

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Post by TigerPrincess » Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:55 am

I just realized (well about two months ago), my highschool has a HUGE painting of TRUNKS in the gym. It is so freakin' awesome! He is in his Super Saiyan form and has a basketball in his hand. So every time I have gym I can look up at him :-)

I guess it's not exactly what this thread is all about, but it's Dragonball, and I think its freakin' awesome! :D
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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:03 am

I just realized that each of Funi's Dragon Ball Z Kai sets will cover one Viz Big/3 Manga volumes.

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:36 am

Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:I've come to realize that the majority of DB fans are scared to admit that the dub music is better than the original's. Talk about being illogical...
I'm a sub fan and I'd say that Faulconer Production's score is better, outside of Dragon Ball Z. Kikuchi's score works so much better inside of it.

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Post by Rocketman » Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:46 am

Perfect wrote:@Rocketman below
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I'm not being snarky. Compare the DB and GT brand games to the DBZ brand ones.

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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Blue » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:36 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:
Ultimate_DB_Fan wrote:I've come to realize that the majority of DB fans are scared to admit that the dub music is better than the original's. Talk about being illogical...
I'm a sub fan and I'd say that Faulconer Production's score is better, outside of Dragon Ball Z. Kikuchi's score works so much better inside of it.
I think I'm with you on this as far as to say I can't listen to the Kikuchi score outside of the show. I enjoy it because of the way it builds up the scenes and emotions within the show but alone it's just...awkward sounding to me. I think that's partly due to length and how they put like 4 songs in one track.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:43 am

Blue wrote: I think I'm with you on this as far as to say I can't listen to the Kikuchi score outside of the show. I enjoy it because of the way it builds up the scenes and emotions within the show but alone it's just...awkward sounding to me. I think that's partly due to length and how they put like 4 songs in one track.
That's precisely why I think that Faulconer Production's score is better outside of DBZ. I'm able to listen to it on it's own.

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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Godo » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:48 am

I don't get the music debate at all. I can listen to all kinds of music myself.
I can even listen to Faulconer's track. But I won't enjoy it.
It's because of that I only listen to quality music. And no one from the music industry would call Faulconer's music for quality music either.
At least I have the balls to admit that the original score had more quality in it, even though it isn't so modern anymore.
But then, I still listen to classical music and old scores from old TV-series and movies, aswell a new ones, so I know what I talk about.

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Post by Drabaz » Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:48 pm

TigerPrincess wrote:I just realized (well about two months ago), my highschool has a HUGE painting of TRUNKS in the gym. It is so freakin' awesome! He is in his Super Saiyan form and has a basketball in his hand. So every time I have gym I can look up at him :-)
Are you serious? That sounds amazing. Is there anyway you can get a picture of it?
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Post by TigerPrincess » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:13 pm

Drabaz wrote:
TigerPrincess wrote:I just realized (well about two months ago), my highschool has a HUGE painting of TRUNKS in the gym. It is so freakin' awesome! He is in his Super Saiyan form and has a basketball in his hand. So every time I have gym I can look up at him :-)
Are you serious? That sounds amazing. Is there anyway you can get a picture of it?
Yes, I probably can in the near future ;D But I do not go back to school until August 30th, then we are going on a trip the whole week, so it might be a little bit :)
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Post by Drabaz » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:34 pm

TigerPrincess wrote:Yes, I probably can in the near future ;D But I do not go back to school until August 30th, then we are going on a trip the whole week, so it might be a little bit :)
That's fine. :D If you don't mind me asking, how did you not realize Trunks was in your gym sooner? :lol:
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Post by Innagadadavida » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:41 pm

Godo wrote:It's because of that I only listen to quality music. And no one from the music industry would call Faulconer's music for quality music either
You're speaking for an entire industry full of people with varying taste. Moreover said industry is based on what sells and what's hot not on actual artistic merit. There are tons of reasons to hate on the dub score, but using a hypothetical situation where the fucking music industry doesn't care for it is not one of them.


It's all subjective anyway. I like it. It's not Dragon Ball. The original score is better, and yes, has much higher quality. But it's not bad music. Its actually pretty unique. I haven't heard anything like it before or since.

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Post by TigerPrincess » Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:49 pm

Drabaz wrote:
TigerPrincess wrote:Yes, I probably can in the near future ;D But I do not go back to school until August 30th, then we are going on a trip the whole week, so it might be a little bit :)
That's fine :D If you don't mind me asking, how did u not realize Trunks was in your gym sooner? :lol:
Well, I am just starting high school :) And I've been to my high school lots of other times of different things but I was always so busy doing the stuff when I was there I guess I never took note of the paintings on the gym walls :? Also, I have BLONDE MOMENTS..... :oops:
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Re: Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

Post by Godo » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:31 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Godo wrote:It's because of that I only listen to quality music. And no one from the music industry would call Faulconer's music for quality music either
You're speaking for an entire industry full of people with varying taste. Moreover said industry is based on what sells and what's hot not on actual artistic merit. There are tons of reasons to hate on the dub score, but using a hypothetical situation where the fucking music industry doesn't care for it is not one of them.


It's all subjective anyway. I like it. It's not Dragon Ball. The original score is better, and yes, has much higher quality. But it's not bad music. Its actually pretty unique. I haven't heard anything like it before or since.
They were doing a show that didn't have that cult status in America as it did in Japan. They wanted to suck in as many kids as possible. What's the best way to do that?
Make it "cool". Make it "refreshing". Add some nonsensical techno tunes and barf a couple of instruments into it (which was a genre which was very popular at that time), and it will be great!
Sadly, I have heard much more original and better tracks and songs that make Faulconer's track seem like amateur work.
And they are made by normal people, not people that do it as a profession.

In any sense, Faulconer's track wasn't in any sense a musical sensation, nor was it by any means a score that's enjoyable by people who know music. My bet was that he was cheap to hire and that Funimation didn't give a crap anyways, as long as it sounded "hippety hip", like the music the "young 'uns listen to these days".

And from what I've heard from most fans of the score; they don't give much attention to quality anyways.

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