Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:54 pm

Yea I think Gotenks got weaker as well. I don't know. I don't think Goku has progressed all that much, I still think Kid Buu is a difficult fight for him 10 years later.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:03 am

Gohan isn't a fighter? If Gohan is even slightly stronger than Goku, I'd imagine that Goku would have sparred with him a few times, same with Gotenks. NO reference to them or their power is made at the End of Z. Quite simply they are garbage.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:09 am

Axiom wrote:Gohan isn't a fighter? If Gohan is even slightly stronger than Goku, I'd imagine that Goku would have sparred with him a few times, same with Gotenks. NO reference to them or their power is made at the End of Z. Quite simply they are garbage.
No Gohan isn't a fighter. He doesn't even like fighting. Gohan is way more than slightly Goku as proven by your source...THE MANGA. Gohan sparring with Gohan? I doubt that. Gohan would't want too and Goku most likely learned to respect that. No references was made to them? That is because it was focused on Goku becoming a teacher for Oob. Why would they even mention Gotenks? They didn't mention Vegetto's power as well. Does that mean he's garbage?
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:12 am

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Axiom wrote:Gohan isn't a fighter? If Gohan is even slightly stronger than Goku, I'd imagine that Goku would have sparred with him a few times, same with Gotenks. NO reference to them or their power is made at the End of Z. Quite simply they are garbage.
No Gohan isn't a fighter. He doesn't even like fighting. Gohan is way more than slightly Goku as proven by your source...THE MANGA. Gohan sparring with Gohan? I doubt that. Gohan would't want too and Goku most likely learned to respect that. No references was made to them? That is because it was focused on Goku becoming a teacher for Oob. Why would they even mention Gotenks? They didn't mention Vegetto's power as well. Does that mean he's garbage?
Uh huh - so those scans I linked that I used to prove MY point prove yours. Would you like to elaborate? Vegeta's comments, The Kai's comments, Goku's comments - NO one at any time EVERYsuggested that Gohan was stronger than Goku. Ever.

And for the second time, Goku wants Oob to fight him when he gets stronger, nothing more. Nothing in the manga/anime/movies/guidebooks support what you are saying. At all.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by MDSTSSJ » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:16 am

Mjb1985 wrote:Yea I think Gotenks got weaker as well. I don't know. I don't think Goku has progressed all that much, I still think Kid Buu is a difficult fight for him 10 years later.
Why? Goku always proven to be the best in the search for more and more power. He is not stupid in find ways to gain more power and surpass his limits.

We never should underestimate Kakarotto ( and Vegeta ). His nature is the search for more and more power and always fight against stronger opponents.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:17 am

NO one at any time EVERYsuggested that Gohan was stronger than Goku. Ever.
Umm..Goku himself? Remember he didn't want to fight Super Boo even when he was with Vegeta. That alone should prove it. How about Goku shitting himself when he felt Gohan's power.
And for the second time, Goku wants Oob to fight him when he gets stronger, nothing more. Nothing in the manga/anime/movies/guidebooks support what you are saying. At all.
What you talking about? Almost everything supports Goku < Gohan and Gotenks. Goku might have gotten slightly stronger but not much. He still got stronger. He needed Oob to get stronger cause he doesn't have a good training partner(Vegeta doesn't train with Goku).
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:21 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
NO one at any time EVERYsuggested that Gohan was stronger than Goku. Ever.
Umm..Goku himself? Remember he didn't want to fight Super Boo even when he was with Vegeta. That alone should prove it. How about Goku shitting himself when he felt Gohan's power.
And for the second time, Goku wants Oob to fight him when he gets stronger, nothing more. Nothing in the manga/anime/movies/guidebooks support what you are saying. At all.
What you talking about? Almost everything supports Goku < Gohan and Gotenks. Goku might have gotten slightly stronger but not much. He still got stronger. He needed Oob to get stronger cause he doesn't have a good training partner(Vegeta doesn't train with Goku).
And later on fought a Buu said to be even stronger, admitted to Vegeta that he was actually holding back, and Vegeta claimed that ONLY Goku could face this form of Buu.
Contradicted.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:29 am

And later on fought a Buu said to be even stronger, admitted to Vegeta that he was actually holding back, and Vegeta claimed that ONLY Goku could face this form of Buu.
Contradicted.
If you're going by Kaioshin's statement he has PTSD. Had Fat Boo appeared he would had said the same thing. Goku told Vegeta he was holding back and could have beaten FAT BOO. He never said " I could have beaten Boo earlier while we was inside of him". Vegeta wasn't alive for Gotenks nor Gohan. Also Vegeta has only complimented Goku's power. Cell games - Kakarot! His power! Have can he increase so much. He' mocking me! When Gohan turn SSJ2 he was like What the fuck and that's it.

If ou think Pure Boo is the strongest Boo. I'm letting you know now. It's not true. Look how scarred he was of Super Boo. Then he stated One on one Goku could fight Super Boo.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:37 am

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And later on fought a Buu said to be even stronger, admitted to Vegeta that he was actually holding back, and Vegeta claimed that ONLY Goku could face this form of Buu.
Contradicted.
If you're going by Kaioshin's statement he has PTSD. Had Fat Boo appeared he would had said the same thing. Goku told Vegeta he was holding back and could have beaten FAT BOO. He never said " I could have beaten Boo earlier while we was inside of him". Vegeta wasn't alive for Gotenks nor Gohan. Also Vegeta has only complimented Goku's power. Cell games - Kakarot! His power! Have can he increase so much. He' mocking me! When Gohan turn SSJ2 he was like What the fuck and that's it.

If ou think Pure Boo is the strongest Boo. I'm letting you know now. It's not true. Look how scarred he was of Super Boo. Then he stated One on one Goku could fight Super Boo.
If IF IF. It's not about what YOU think shoulda' woulda', coulda' happened. Goku offered to revive the boys and have BOTH of them fight Buu, implying that just Gohan (who is stronger than Gotenks, more skilled, and higher stamina) wouldn't be enough.

Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gohan>Gotenks.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:37 am

Just don't feed the troll.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:42 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Just don't feed the troll.
Oh he's a troll. Normally I catch on to this. But since it's Kanzenshuu I thought he was actually trying to defend Goku and not trolling. *Sigh*. They infected Knzenshuu as well?!
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:43 am

I think he's in anime Goku wank denial.

Goku the lord and savior is strong here.
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Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:43 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Just don't feed the troll.
Oh he's a troll. Normally I catch on to this. But since it's Kanzenshuu I thought he was actually trying to defend Goku and not trolling. *Sigh*. They infected Knzenshuu as well?!
Because Goku is #1 afterall. 8)
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Post by Kaboom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:43 am

That's not helping things, guys.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Draken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:43 am

Axiom wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Just don't feed the troll.
Oh he's a troll. Normally I catch on to this. But since it's Kanzenshuu I thought he was actually trying to defend Goku and not trolling. *Sigh*. They infected Knzenshuu as well?!
Because Goku is #1 afterall. 8)
Dude thank you for opening my eyes to the truth, I never realized Goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Buuhan and Vegetto.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:47 am

I never realized Goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Buuhan and Vegetto.
Psh. Base Goku could tank a Final FLash from SSJ3 Vegetto.
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Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:54 am

Draken wrote: Because Goku is #1 afterall. 8)
Dude thank you for opening my eyes to the truth, I never realized Goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Buuhan and Vegetto.[/quote]
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:02 am

Axiom wrote:And later on fought a Buu said to be even stronger, admitted to Vegeta that he was actually holding back, and Vegeta claimed that ONLY Goku could face this form of Buu.
Contradicted.
Tell me when Pure Boo was stated to be the strongest in the manga.

Also, Vegeta said that because he was weaker, Gohan & Gotenks were dead, and there wasn't any chance for Goku and Vegeta merging. Plus, the whole number 1 monologue was about Goku's and Vegeta's rivalry, except if you believe that Goku is stronger than Gotenks Boo, Gohan Boo, and Vegetto.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by Axiom » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:09 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Axiom wrote:And later on fought a Buu said to be even stronger, admitted to Vegeta that he was actually holding back, and Vegeta claimed that ONLY Goku could face this form of Buu.
Contradicted.
Tell me when Pure Boo was stated to be the strongest in the manga.

Also, Vegeta said that because he was weaker, Gohan & Gotenks were dead, and there wasn't any chance for Goku and Vegeta merging. Plus, the whole number 1 monologue was about Goku's and Vegeta's rivalry, except if you believe that Goku is stronger than Gotenks Boo, Gohan Boo, and Vegetto.
I read the manga and posted the pictures here for you to analyze. I didn't come to that conclusion at all.
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Re: Goku > Gohan or Gotenks by end of the series?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:15 am

That's not an answer. Answer my question, when was Pure Boo stated to be the strongest?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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