Doctor. wrote:dbzfan7 wrote:
Hey Doc where's your episode breakdown? Haven't heard ya breakdown the good, mixed, bad, etc. Wanna breakdown your full thoughts on the episode?
The problem of forced tension continues this time in the form of Ribrianne, who is just a completely wasted character who isn't doing anything at this point; she just repeats the same gag over and over again, which although amusing or entertaining at the start, has gotten old with nothing new to spice it up. Just imagine if Mr. Satan remained his Cell-arc self throughout the rest of the series, wouldn't that get annoying? Would the excuse that he's a "gag character" work then? No? Then there you go. I realize the time Ribrianne has been on screen has been much shorter, but they've been doing nothing interesting with her personality or gimmick after #102. Her new powers get wasted on pointless fluff such as fighting base Goku.
Toei continues to forget SS3 exists and I continue to be annoyed by it.
The rules being arbitrary never got on my nerves before, because they at least acknowledged that fact with the Omni-Kings stating that what's cool goes (plus, some of the old tournaments always broke the rules too). But my issue in this episode is that they don't acknowledge the broken rules. Ribrianne apparently gets a power-up with the help of Helles and Kakunsa, who are out-of-bounds, and nobody even raises an objection? Later, Goku gets Ki from the humans and, yet again, nobody says anything? It's cool that they explained why Jiren wouldn't be disqualified, I liked that, but they left two other things to explain.
And speaking of the Genkidama, I said it would be dumb and it was, in fact, dumb. I like that Goku had exhausted all of his options instead of pulling out the Genkidama out of nowhere; that was good, it's his last resort and it was treated as such. My problem is why would he even use it with so few people to give him Genki? He was so reluctant to use it in the Boo arc without the Earthling's Genki even though he had Gohan & co's, which should have been enough, going by the logic of this episode (a minor nitpick also, he trained Super Saiyan to get rid of that maliciousness, I'm getting kinda sick of them forgetting the Cell arc training ever happened; first by saying it wastes stamina, now this). Also, shouldn't have the other transformed to give the maximum amount of Genki possible? Or do they somehow just give their max power in their base forms? Why did he use the Genkidama on someone pure of heart and why did it backfire on someone pure of heart? I won't pick too much on it, because how much Genki is needed and how the Genkidama works in the original series was also pretty arbitrary; it was always one of my main gripes with the technique. Regardless, the whole "black hole" thing was neat but it made no sense: where did Goku go and how the fuck did he get out? I can buy that the colliding energies made the Genkidama implode, but they completely glossed over how Goku came back.
Oh and Vegeta annoyed me by not contributing. He has certainly regressed, I've been trying to avoid saying this because most of the stuff Super!Vegeta has done I could picture post-Boo Vegeta saying as well, but this is the last straw. Well, maybe not "regressed" but you can definitely sense some conflict in characterization between different writers. Some episodes he's the "Ore-sama za bestu" Cell arc Vegeta, the others he's the more mellow Boo arc Vegeta.
Whis saying Goku has been using Kaioken x20 the whole time was straight out of the Freeza arc and it was neat, I guess. Kinda hoped Goku would use a higher Kaioken right afterwards. Innovate a little instead of relying on old material. Jiren's fighting style is pretty brutal, I like it. Shame he's literally still a brick wall. He spoke some more in this episode, though, which I liked.
The transformation made sense (for Dragon Ball's standards) and it has been built up from the start of the series, so I don't have bad things to say. I could nitpick and ask why the Genkidama specifically was the trigger and how it made him capable of learning a new technique, and why a technique that Whis, Beerus & the Gods and Angels all know is being treated as a transformation or form, but it's not worth it. The scene was cool, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, the insert song kicked ass and the animation was fantastic. Kind of a shame the fight could be summed up to a flurry of punches and shockwaves after Goku transforms, but it looked cool so... eh? I'll let it pass. Loved the return of the Oozaru roar, though. I think we haven't seen that since GT.
Freeza and Hit were pleasant surprises at the end. The episode had some pacing issues, though.
First time I've been excited since the tournament started, so the episode did its job. A bit disappointed they have seemingly dropped the whole "Goku is evil! Goku is dangerous!" plot point they hammered throughout the recruitment arc and the "something terrible" turned out to be "Oh no! Goku died (apparently)!" I was hoping for something more interesting, but there's still time I suppose.
Hmm... probably forgetting something important I wanted to say, but I guess that's about it. It was dumb but good, "hype" even. Certainly not as dumb or insulting as #66, even if it subscribes to the same "rule of cool over logic" philosophy.
I agree wholeheartedly on Ribrianne. I'd probably not hate her so much if she at least varied things up a bit. I thought her attacks in the episode were pretty cool with the arrow bow thing. That's about it. She then spouts the same joke over and over which really gets annoying. It really would be like if Mr. Satan kept on saying "IT'S A TRICK" over and over again past his development point where he accepts things. Though the episode had a lot of fluff moments here and there.
I think that's just cause they don't want to animate all that hair
. I was disappointed there was no SSJ3 as well. I find it funny how GT basically ignored SSJ2 (As well as a lot of Super before the FT arc), and Super pretty much mostly ignores SSJ3. SSJ3 is one of my favourites so it's sad to see they don't use it more.
They at least gave an explanation, but even so nobody even has anything to say? Frost attacking Freeza out of bounds bad, but out of bounds people giving Goku energy is fine. I guess it works because of Zeno's rule of cool, but it's odd out of all the fluff, nobody seems to have a problem with this. Bermund could have said something at least. Agreed we got a reason why Jiren wasn't disqualified. He was basically using self defense.
Yep the thing I feared most to be stupid, was very stupid. I was hoping maybe Zeno and everyone joins in cept for Universe 11 (Or one guy on the team does as a gag that lifting hands looked cool) because they knew Jiren was too strong and no one alone can beat him, so the universes unite against him. Still wouldn't be that powerful a Genki Dama, but it'd be cool to see at least. It's very annoying that they keep ignoring how Super Saiyan works now since the Cell arc, but honestly him charging the Genki Dama in base or Super Saiyan really doesn't make a difference. They at least had Jiren say he would take the attack so he doesn't look like an oafish idiot. I liked that. I argued about the Genki Dama a while back that it shouldn't work on someone who is pure of heart, but I guess that was only a saiyan arc thing. Or perhaps it work on them if it explodes, but not before that. I'm just guessing.
I liked the black hole thing, and I think it was just a pretty sight. I'm not sure about the other realm thing as surely they'd see a body. But they think Goku is vaporized so where did he go? I'm willing to see if we'll get more info later. At least they tried to give info this time, unlike Ikari which had nothing at all going for it.
I really hate Vegeta in this arc because of it. It's so annoying he's doing that old generic Vegeta shit. The last straw for me in this episode when fucking Freeza gave his energy...Freeza of all people. If Freeza would do it, then it's just ridiculously petty for Vegeta to not do it. I want the past Vegeta from Super back. I was really liking him. Current Vegeta in Super sucks.
Not sure I would want a higher Kaio-Ken...though Goku's body breaking down as he forcefully pushes beyond his limit would be a cool scene. But the whole scenario was just too much a Freeza clone for my tastes. Though at least Jiren wasn't as stupid as Freeza though. Jiren doesn't really have any cool moves and is boring as all hell, but I do agree the brutality is a nice touch. At this point I want an enemy who just doesn't care about this whole holding back bullshit. I want an enemy who punches Goku in the face and tells him to go all out, or he will destroy him if he tries to fuck around in base form.
I'm letting it pass for now as we could get some more info later when Goku inevitably turns back into that thing. It was all super awesome and I was geeking out. Especially from Goku's movements being so alien and new. Like a puppet master was controlling his limbs metaphorically. Hope to learn more via the show, guidebook, or something.
Indeed. Freeza keeping his cool is very interesting. I thought he'd be shitting his pants with how much stronger Goku is now, but he seems eerily calm about all this. Not much to say about Hit.
Yeah some disappointing stuff not followed through. I thought the Goku is evil thing might have been dropped sometime after it was said it's not his fault the universes were in danger. Though I thought it was dumb anyways if the Gods know that, but still treat Goku as evil. If they didn't know that, then I'd be more on board with it staying. But yeah the whole horrible thing that was supposed to happen to Goku, well I guess having your own technique pushed back on you is pretty horrible since it at least usually got to hit the enemy. But yeah was hoping for something more emotional.
It definitely felt like it had the same philosophy as 66. I kinda sum it up as even more awesome than 66 with its highs, but also really dumb but not as dumb and offensive as 66. So it had super hype going for it, with less dumb things/offenses to drag the hype down.
ekrolo2 wrote:God, I hope the promo art for Limit Breaker where it's got the KK aura doesn't mean Goku's gonna combine shit again. KK returning was already a mistake and with Ultra Instinct KKX2,3,4,10,20,...
Yeah Kaio-Ken really was a big mistake to bring back despite being cool looking with Blue.
BTW I haven't seen your full episode breakdown either on your thoughts, what you found good, were mixed on, bad, etc.
