Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[TheUltimateNinja]

Considering how often Morishita Kouzou likes to hammer home that without Gokuu the kids are not as interested I sincerely doubt this movie will have no Gokuu. If anything someone will come to the present day or Gokuu will be thrown into the past. There's no film without Son Gokuu.

Apart from the merchandise, fans (including myself) love Goku and the established cast so if we're going to wait 3+ years for a movie and be told it's going to be the best one production wise then we want Goku in it.

I wouldn't mind something like that in the show as it's weekly but a movie is an event so I want everyone and their A game to be present.

This is the truth. Forget kids, I'm sure there are many like me who aren't interested at all if Goku isn't involved.

I wouldn't mind if goku didn't appeared in this movie.

I will celebrate if he doesn't appear or if he doesn't get to be the main character/major highlight. This franchise doesn't need Goku all the time.

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

[Grimlock]

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

Or simply focus on Bardock if we really need to have a Goku figure on-screen. Toriyama said we would only see him in past stories, this is a past story, there's no excuse for Bardock not appearing.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

Or simply focus on Bardock if we really need to have a Goku figure on-screen. Toriyama said we would only see him in past stories, this is a past story, there's no excuse for Bardock not appearing.

Bardock should have absolutely no connection with Yamoshi unless they canonize EoB and somehow have him time travel yet again. Or pull some BS about him changing his name to Yamoshi or whatever.

[sangofe]

Considering how often Morishita Kouzou likes to hammer home that without Gokuu the kids are not as interested I sincerely doubt this movie will have no Gokuu. If anything someone will come to the present day or Gokuu will be thrown into the past. There's no film without Son Gokuu.

Apart from the merchandise, fans (including myself) love Goku and the established cast so if we're going to wait 3+ years for a movie and be told it's going to be the best one production wise then we want Goku in it.

I wouldn't mind something like that in the show as it's weekly but a movie is an event so I want everyone and their A game to be present.

This is the truth. Forget kids, I'm sure there are many like me who aren't interested at all if Goku isn't involved.

I wouldn't mind if goku didn't appeared in this movie.

I will celebrate if he doesn't appear or if he doesn't get to be the main character/major highlight. This franchise doesn't need Goku all the time.

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

Why is Goku so important?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Considering how often Morishita Kouzou likes to hammer home that without Gokuu the kids are not as interested I sincerely doubt this movie will have no Gokuu. If anything someone will come to the present day or Gokuu will be thrown into the past. There's no film without Son Gokuu.

Apart from the merchandise, fans (including myself) love Goku and the established cast so if we're going to wait 3+ years for a movie and be told it's going to be the best one production wise then we want Goku in it.

I wouldn't mind something like that in the show as it's weekly but a movie is an event so I want everyone and their A game to be present.

This is the truth. Forget kids, I'm sure there are many like me who aren't interested at all if Goku isn't involved.

I will celebrate if he doesn't appear or if he doesn't get to be the main character/major highlight. This franchise doesn't need Goku all the time.

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

Why is Goku so important?

He's Dragon Ball's icon. Even Toriyama himself admitted that trying to replace Goku as the face of DB was a total failure. See also the anime's writers confirming that without Goku kids lose interest quickly so they had to come up with ways to integrate him into the plot.

[Big Black Sayian]

Considering how often Morishita Kouzou likes to hammer home that without Gokuu the kids are not as interested I sincerely doubt this movie will have no Gokuu. If anything someone will come to the present day or Gokuu will be thrown into the past. There's no film without Son Gokuu.

Apart from the merchandise, fans (including myself) love Goku and the established cast so if we're going to wait 3+ years for a movie and be told it's going to be the best one production wise then we want Goku in it.

I wouldn't mind something like that in the show as it's weekly but a movie is an event so I want everyone and their A game to be present.

This is the truth. Forget kids, I'm sure there are many like me who aren't interested at all if Goku isn't involved.

I will celebrate if he doesn't appear or if he doesn't get to be the main character/major highlight. This franchise doesn't need Goku all the time.

The film will be more of a box office embarrassment than Justice League without Goku. The only way I can see it working is if Yamoshi is a Bardock-type character directly connected to Goku.

Why is Goku so important?

He's the main character? :p

[MR.Mark]

We know that Toriyama approves Toyataro's retelling of BoG which is quite similar Toei's. We also know that in the USArc anime, it flashbacks to a scene in RoF Arc that didn't happen in the movie.

Toriyama approves anything if they feel Dragon Ball. As for the flashbacks, it is obvious. The anime version will show scenes from his continuity, not from another one. It's the same in Future Trunks saga, Toei showed us the first time Trunks transformed into Super Saiyan, that doesn't mean Trunks transforming upon seeing Gohan dead is canonical, it just means Toei is following their own continuity, because the manga tells us something different.

Last I checked the retellings were Toriyama's idea because of how important Beerus ans Whis were. Moreover, the retellings play out the basic story the same way anyhow. The manga differs aswell so I guess it's up to you to pick and choose what you like.

Being Toriyama's idea doesn't necessarily mean he prefers or sees that way. This is like saying everything he did for the anime staff are canonical, suggestions doesn't mean something is canonical.

Yes, it's all up to the person to choose which continuity they want to follow.

Indeed, no need to split hairs, we can't read Toriyama's mind at the end of the day.

Besides, I love Goku and co too, duh, but we have Super. That's the main reason side stories in movie form excites me, it's a chance to take more risks in building the lore.

Also bearing in mind again that I never implied Goku and the others wouldn't be in this at all.

[BlueBasilisk]

I'll just pop in here and add my two cents real quick before vanishing:

First it's really neat that there's a new movie. Hopefully the long lead-up before release will give plenty of time for an excellent production. Reading trough Herms' translation of the announcement it sounds to me like it might not be a straight up prequel as much as perhaps Goku and co. doing some thing or other that fleshes out this idea of Saiyan strength and traces it back to whatever origin it had. A TV special is fine for not featuring Goku and co and we've seen them do that before, but they might not feel so daring with a big theatrical movie, especially one that's supposed to have a "huge" scale. Seems like it might be difficult to do that in the past, but "scale" can mean a lot of things.

[Michsi]

You can make a good story out of anything, you only need good direction and execution. Really, you could go and make a good movie with Chiaotzu as the MC if you find the right formula. But as I said before, when it comes to what to pick, there are risky choices and there are safe bets, and I'm afraid removing Goku from the limelight belongs to the former category. People need to remember that while Toei is a business first and foremost, and their mostly interested in income.

[MR.Mark]

Goku was not in large chunks of the BOG movie and I don't recall reports of kids being bored because of that. That movie stared Beerus and Whis with everyone being a strong supporting cast if anything.

Comes down to execution, we'll see.

[emperior]

I could see Yamoshi being Goku’s ancestor and looking like him, so that kids would get to see Goku on screen even if it’s not really Goku.
I wouldn’t mind it if Yamoshi was basically Goku if he was born on Sadala and raised as a Saiyan.
I just hope Toriyama has created some great design for the many Saiyans that will appear, and for Sadala. I also want many of those Saiyans to look like old-school ones.
My dream is that the movie really shows Saiyan’s culture and that it won’t be set in a specific time-frame. I would like to see Saiyan’s history from their first steps, to the Legendary SSJ and SSG to Sadala’s destruction, Planet Plant’s conquer and Freeza hiring them and then destroying them.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku was not in large chunks of the BOG movie and I don't recall reports of kids being bored because of that. That movie stared Beerus and Whis with everyone being a strong supporting cast if anything.

Comes down to execution, we'll see.

Goku was definitely the protagonist of the BoG movie, he has both the first and last fights of the movie, the second being the biggest fight, and he's also the one to save the day in the end and the cause of the movie happening in the first place. Completely different from a movie not featuring him at all. You think anyone would have watched it if Goku wasn't there and Tenshinhan was the main character and spent the whole movie looking like a bumbling fool?

[MR.Mark]

Agian who's implying a film without Goku at all? I certainly never did.

Goku was very much like a classic Toriyama plot device in BOG. After his defeat by Beerus (who was the driving force of the entire story), Goku pretty much chilled on Kaio's world while the others were in suspense on earth. Came down to when will Goku show up to save the day, the film certainly wasn't all about him.

So going by your argument, what would be wrong with Goku and the others book ending this new film with the middle being dedicated to the origins of Saiyins?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Agian who's implying a film without Goku at all? I certainly never did.

Goku was very much like a classic Toriyama plot device in BOG. After his defeat by Beerus (who was the driving force of the entire story), Goku pretty much chilled on Kaio's world while the others were in suspense on earth. Came down to when will Goku show up to save the day, the film certainly wasn't all about him.

However we all know Goku's going to come back and save the day in the end, he's still the main hero. You think anyone would care if Tenshinhan was the one who showed up in the end? Certainly not.

Also, obviously Goku won't be on screen at all times, I'm just talking about the foolishness of not having him in the movie at all.

[MR.Mark]

What does Tenshinhan have to do with anything? He is a supporting character. You can't compare making a film about him vs the Saiyans.

Toriyama found an interesting way to make a new character with power relevance be the driving force of BOG so he can certainly do something similar again with this new film.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What does Tenshinhan have to do with anything? He is a supporting character.

Toriyama found an interesting way to make a new character with power relevance be the driving force of BOG so he can certainly do something similar again with this new film.

I'm bringing him up because he's some irrelevant guy who isn't Goku.

The difference is that Beerus and Whis aren't protagonists, they're people who complement Goku. They wouldn't be able to hold a movie on their own, it's their interactions with our main cast that did that.

Even the Bardock and Trunks specials were about Goku in the end even if he wasn't directly present, I highly doubt this movie will be any different, there's no way Toei would leave Goku out of it.

[Draconic]

A cool way to do this movie is not have only one main character, but have the Saiyan race as a whole be the focus. You can go from the events leading to their home planet being destroyed to reaching planet Plant, the war with the Tuffles, the civil war between good and evil Saiyans, King Vegeta's rise to power, creating the alliance with Freeza and their eventual destruction.

That way you can focus on the new stuff with Yamoshi, include popular characters like Vegeta, Bardock and Freeza in the parts about the lore we already know happened but never saw and ending it all with Goku.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

A cool way to do this movie is not have only one main character, but have the Saiyan race as a whole be the focus. You can go from the events leading to their home planet being destroyed to reaching planet Plant, the war with the Tuffles, the civil war between good and evil Saiyans, King Vegeta's rise to power, creating the alliance with Freeza and their eventual destruction.

That way you can focus on the new stuff with Yamoshi, include popular characters like Vegeta, Bardock and Freeza in the parts about the lore we already know happened but never saw and ending it all with Goku.

That is the vibe I got when they said it would focus on the "most powerful race the Saiyans".

I feel this maybe like the ResF special where it began with Trunks and ended with him, it could start with Goku asking Beerus or someone to explain his past and then the film happens and then it ends with Goku back in the present.

[MR.Mark]

What does Tenshinhan have to do with anything? He is a supporting character.

Toriyama found an interesting way to make a new character with power relevance be the driving force of BOG so he can certainly do something similar again with this new film.

I'm bringing him up because he's some irrelevant guy who isn't Goku.

The difference is that Beerus and Whis aren't protagonists, they're people who complement Goku. They wouldn't be able to hold a movie on their own, it's their interactions with our main cast that did that.

Even the Bardock and Trunks specials were about Goku in the end even if he wasn't directly present, I highly doubt this movie will be any different, there's no way Toei would leave Goku out of it.

Agree to disagree, and that's fine about leaving Goku out, I never said they would.

I don't even expect for Goku to be as minor as those specials, especially Trunks, Goku was barely in that, but then it wasn't his story.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What does Tenshinhan have to do with anything? He is a supporting character.

Toriyama found an interesting way to make a new character with power relevance be the driving force of BOG so he can certainly do something similar again with this new film.

I'm bringing him up because he's some irrelevant guy who isn't Goku.

The difference is that Beerus and Whis aren't protagonists, they're people who complement Goku. They wouldn't be able to hold a movie on their own, it's their interactions with our main cast that did that.

Even the Bardock and Trunks specials were about Goku in the end even if he wasn't directly present, I highly doubt this movie will be any different, there's no way Toei would leave Goku out of it.

Agree to disagree, and that's fine about leaving Goku out, I never said they would.

I don't even expect for Goku to be as minor as those specials, especially Trunks, Goku was barely in that, but then it wasn't his story.

All of those stories were leading to Goku's story, though. Even Trunks'. It's basically the story of how terrible the world would be without Goku.