Which did it better, GT or Super?

[sunsetshimmer]

I would say that super is to say with 131 episodes had more time to offer more things than gt that was canceled in 64

Cancelled lol. It was extended.
GT was meant to have 40 episodes.

I like how you bash Baby yet praise Zamasu who was lazy Baby ripoff (and many other villains as well)
Entire "Evil Goku" concept was already in thousands of fanfics, just with more original story.

Apart from the Baby arc (16-40), the rest of GT was very badly handled so it wouldn't have mattered if they had 200 episodes to work with as the same problems would've most likely accured.

Baby arc started with episode 23.
All episodes on planet M-2 are part of Black Star saga.

[sintzu]

Cancelled lol. It was extended.
GT was meant to have 40 episodes.

GT originally planned as 40 episodes is a false rumor.

[PsionicWarrior]

I think once super returns it'll be better than ever as they'll have pre-production time and a better idea about where things stand.

Fingers crossed.

[PFM18]

How is Zamasu a Baby ripoff? They are completely different characters.

GT can be summarized easily as "Goku's time." That is all that needs to be said about Gt. I mean there was literally maybe 2 fights in the whole series that were worth watching.

The only good things to comw out of Gt were the Baby arc and SSJ4. and they overlap so really the entire rest of the series isnt even worth your time

[Torturephile]

I think once super returns it'll be better than ever as they'll have pre-production time and a better idea about where things stand.

Let me find the non-existent real life dragon balls and wish for that.

[Timetraveller]

How is Zamasu a Baby ripoff? They are completely different characters.

GT can be summarized easily as "Goku's time." That is all that needs to be said about Gt. I mean there was literally maybe 2 fights in the whole series that were worth watching.

The only good things to comw out of Gt were the Baby arc and SSJ4. and they overlap so really the entire rest of the series isnt even worth your time

Not entirely true. There were moments which involved other characters and having Goku as the main character isn't anything new and not necessarily a bad thing. Again, you can't generalize GT with biased statements like those. It's like if I picked episode 5 from Super and said it represented the whole show and that nothing in the show was worth your time. Both shows have their ups and downs and have many of the same flaws.

Making up names for shows based on acronyms is a rather childish way to denigrate something. I'm sure someone could come up with something for dBS. It's not that hard...

[PFM18]

How is Zamasu a Baby ripoff? They are completely different characters.

GT can be summarized easily as "Goku's time." That is all that needs to be said about Gt. I mean there was literally maybe 2 fights in the whole series that were worth watching.

The only good things to comw out of Gt were the Baby arc and SSJ4. and they overlap so really the entire rest of the series isnt even worth your time

Not entirely true. There were moments which involved other characters and having Goku as the main character isn't anything new and not necessarily a bad thing. Again, you can't generalize GT with biased statements like those. It's like if I picked episode 5 from Super and said it represented the whole show and that nothing in the show was worth your time. Both shows have their ups and downs and have many of the same flaws.

Making up names for shows based on acronyms is a rather childish way to denigrate something. I'm sure someone could come up with something for dBS. It's not that hard...

This isnt an issue of "Goku being the main character", because that has always been the case and always will be the case. This is something entirely different. In GT literally every relevant win to be had throighout the entire series was made by goku and him alone. Everybosy else was useless. Literally no other character even won a remotely relevant fight throughout the series. Goku appeared to be the only one the entire time to have real fighting abilities. Uub was a great opportunity that amounted to nothing except pushing apart Baby's stomach. Never did he win a real fight or have a good character moment or any development whatsoever. In fact, nobody ever received any development in GT.

[Saturnine]

About Uub reappearing in Baby's stomach - once you get turned into candy by Buu and eaten, you immediately die. Baby even freaking chewed that Uub chocolate bar up!

On the other hand, to get absorbed into Buu, it has to be via Buu's flesh, not the Sweet Beam. Fat Buu was the only exception. Yet in GT Buu was shown to absorb Pan and Hercule by using the Sweet Beam instead of his flesh. I do realize that it was probably to expedite the process and decrease its awkwardness, but still, handwaving shit like that is something really jarring. Toei couldn't be assed to even go all the way and follow the established ways of how Buu's techniques work.

[Tai Lung]

I would say that super is to say with 131 episodes had more time to offer more things than gt that was canceled in 64

Cancelled lol. It was extended.
GT was meant to have 40 episodes.

I like how you bash Baby yet praise Zamasu who was lazy Baby ripoff (and many other villains as well)
Entire "Evil Goku" concept was already in thousands of fanfics, just with more original story.

it was canceled ... it's no mystery the saga of super 17 was going to last many episodes more but something that did not happen ...

in the original series of dragon ball there was never a black goku besides being just part of the zamasu plan, I could say the same with the idea of "vegeta possessed"since it was touched in the original series buu arc so "majin vegeta" and "baby vegeta"

[PFM18]

About Uub reappearing in Baby's stomach - once you get turned into candy by Buu and eaten, you immediately die. Baby even freaking chewed that Uub chocolate bar up!

On the other hand, to get absorbed into Buu, it has to be via Buu's flesh, not the Sweet Beam. Fat Buu was the only exception. Yet in GT Buu was shown to absorb Pan and Hercule by using the Sweet Beam instead of his flesh. I do realize that it was probably to expedite the process and decrease its awkwardness, but still, handwaving shit like that is something really jarring. Toei couldn't be assed to even go all the way and follow the established ways of how Buu's techniques work.

And the sad part is this is literally the only time in the entire series when Uub is useful at all and it is during a part when it makes no sense and is contradicting material that was previously established.

[Rakurai]

This isnt an issue of "Goku being the main character", because that has always been the case and always will be the case. This is something entirely different. In GT literally every relevant win to be had throighout the entire series was made by goku and him alone. Everybosy else was useless. Literally no other character even won a remotely relevant fight throughout the series. Goku appeared to be the only one the entire time to have real fighting abilities. Uub was a great opportunity that amounted to nothing except pushing apart Baby's stomach. Never did he win a real fight or have a good character moment or any development whatsoever. In fact, nobody ever received any development in GT.

You clearly haven't watched GT if you think Goku got development throughout GT. In fact, despite being the MC, Goku never got any real character development outside of combat and strength. His personality, his compassion, his innocent personality actually remained fairly static all throughout the course of the show. Unlike in the Super anime where he actually regressed in character development.

I think I saw somebody say this once here, which sums it up for me. GT Goku is a man in a child's body. Super Goku is a child in a man's body.

I'm also baffled to say how people can claim nobody in GT got character development. Pan grew to respect Goku and even miss him at the end of GT. Vegeta of all people asked Goku to do the fusion dance even though in Z he'd rather die than fuse with Goku again. He exclaimed his status as an Earthling with the pride of a Saiyan, showed frustration and anger at not being able to protect Earth like he couldn't protect Vegeta. Trunks went from being this carefree, work-ditching coward to a someone who would rather fight and die alongside Vegeta in his final faceoff with Omega Shenron. 18 showed she cared for Krillin deeply and wanted to avenge him; Uub discovered his origins and realized through Buu how important Satan is to the people. These are all character developments, however brief some of them might be.

Just because Goku was the one defeating the villain all the time doesn't mean nobody got development.

[Tai Lung]

This isnt an issue of "Goku being the main character", because that has always been the case and always will be the case. This is something entirely different. In GT literally every relevant win to be had throighout the entire series was made by goku and him alone. Everybosy else was useless. Literally no other character even won a remotely relevant fight throughout the series. Goku appeared to be the only one the entire time to have real fighting abilities. Uub was a great opportunity that amounted to nothing except pushing apart Baby's stomach. Never did he win a real fight or have a good character moment or any development whatsoever. In fact, nobody ever received any development in GT.

You clearly haven't watched GT if you think Goku got development throughout GT. In fact, despite being the MC, Goku never got any real character development outside of combat and strength. His personality, his compassion, his innocent personality actually remained fairly static all throughout the course of the show. Unlike in the Super anime where he actually regressed in character development.

I think I saw somebody say this once here, which sums it up for me. GT Goku is a man in a child's body. Super Goku is a child in a man's body.

I'm also baffled to say how people can claim nobody in GT got character development. Pan grew to respect Goku and even miss him at the end of GT. Vegeta of all people asked Goku to do the fusion dance even though in Z he'd rather die than fuse with Goku again. He exclaimed his status as an Earthling with the pride of a Saiyan, showed frustration and anger at not being able to protect Earth like he couldn't protect Vegeta. Trunks went from being this carefree, work-ditching coward to a someone who would rather fight and die alongside Vegeta in his final faceoff with Omega Shenron. 18 showed she cared for Krillin deeply and wanted to avenge him; Uub discovered his origins and realized through Buu how important Satan is to the people. These are all character developments, however brief some of them might be.

Just because Goku was the one defeating the villain all the time doesn't mean nobody got development.

it is false goku not regressed in character development he has always been like this. goku is a warrior not a hero, even in gt, when he could finish the fights fast he did not do it and neither count the gags that are basically that

Pan in the epilogue was already a girl that respect Goku and wanted to become strong like he, changed in gt losing his respect for him and the interest to become stronger, in the course of time I would return to respect him but only for the end

never explored almost nothing of the relationship of master and student of goku and uub, thing that if with vegeta and cabba for example, we only had that scene with buu in the fusion where it knew its origin what makes me think that goku did not teach nothing of mr satan is something that uub should know already ..

de vegeta already left stipulated from the arc de buu its change I consider it a good thing to continue with that

of trunks since childhood has always been the same as when he was helping vegeta when he was in danger

in the case of 18 I give you the reason because really in z showed almost nothing of his relationship with others

the problem that had gt is that it focused only on 2 or 3 characters so the development of others was little or nothing

[sunsetshimmer]

in the original series of dragon ball there was never a black goku besides being just part of the zamasu plan, I could say the same with the idea of "vegeta possessed"since it was touched in the original series buu arc so "majin vegeta" and "baby vegeta"

Majin Vegeta was just Vegeta with evil heart. He was still 100% Vegeta.
And Baby Vegeta was something that wasn't made before. The same goes for Baby alone.
Goku Black is just body switch, Ginyu has already done that. And we already had "Evil Goku" as a Turles.
Design-wise, Baby and Baby Vegeta were very original. Zamasu and Goku Black were just Evil Kaioshin and Evil Goku. There was nothing creative about them.

Zamasu concept is very similar to Baby. He is just Baby-god.
Both hate humans/saiyans.
Both tormented Goku.
Both are obsessed with human/saiyan power.
Both see human/saiyans as barbarians.
Both steal human/saiyan body despite of that.
Both achieve new colored SSJ form. Pink and white.
Both are crazy and believe that they are doing something good for the world.
Both betrayed those who made them what they are (Myuu/Gowasu)

So yes, in my opinion Zamasu is Baby ripoff in many ways.
Entire saga feels like every other saga mixed.
We have fusions and kais like in Buu saga.
We have someone fuse with himself like in Super 17.
We have a villain make selfish wish and kill dragon like in King Piccolo saga.
We have time travel like in Cell saga.

This is why i can't understand people praising this arc. There is just nothing to praise. Every important thing was already in previous arcs of DB/DBZ/DBGT.

[SupremeKai25]

No, Zamasu is not a Baby rip-off.
- Zamasu switched bodies with Goku, Baby possessed Vegeta's body, it's different;
- Zamasu cared only about himself (he even killed his fellow Gods), Baby cared about his people;
- Zamasu was more of a 'lone wolf' type of villain, he didn't need any minion and acted on his own, whereas Baby used various brainwashed minions and followers to achieve his plans, he was more of an 'evil overlord' type of villain;
- Zamasu wasn't evil yet when he made his first appearance, in fact Gowasu even remarks that he had a pure heart, whereas Baby (and every other villain) was always evil, so Zamasu is the first villain who was good once, but fell from grace;
- I never saw Zamasu turn into a golden Oozaru or summon a giant black orb of death, and likewise I never saw Baby use a Rose Kamehameha or fight with a Ki blade or even employ a powerful scythe able to tear rifts into the very fabric of reality.

And at least Zamasu is canon, unlike Baby .

Goku Black is just body switch, Ginyu has already done that. And we already had "Evil Goku" as a Turles.

That is literally the only thing in common that Black has with Ginyu, and that does not involve normal Zamasu. Also, Black is not an 'Evil Goku', because he is not Goku at all, he is Zamasu in Goku's body, and he still refers to himself as 'Zamasu', because he has the mind and soul of Zamasu. Also, all villains in Dragon Ball were mortals, Zamasu is the first and only evil deity and no one has done that before.

This is why i can't understand people praising this arc. There is just nothing to praise. Every important thing was already in previous arcs of DB/DBZ/DBGT.

So? Just because the writers took inspiration from previous arcs doesn't mean that the arc still couldn't have a compelling and gripping plot, sensation and breathtaking moments, and beautifully-written characters. Yes, the characters introduced in this arc (Zamasu, Black, Gowasu) are some of the most popular characters in Super ever, and Black is much more popular than Baby, who isn't even in famous videogames like Xenoverse 2 and Figtherz. Probably because Baby, unlike Black, Future Zamasu and Fused Zamasu, is not popular and iconic enough to be included in those games .

[Timetraveller]

How is Zamasu a Baby ripoff? They are completely different characters.

GT can be summarized easily as "Goku's time." That is all that needs to be said about Gt. I mean there was literally maybe 2 fights in the whole series that were worth watching.

The only good things to comw out of Gt were the Baby arc and SSJ4. and they overlap so really the entire rest of the series isnt even worth your time

Not entirely true. There were moments which involved other characters and having Goku as the main character isn't anything new and not necessarily a bad thing. Again, you can't generalize GT with biased statements like those. It's like if I picked episode 5 from Super and said it represented the whole show and that nothing in the show was worth your time. Both shows have their ups and downs and have many of the same flaws.

Making up names for shows based on acronyms is a rather childish way to denigrate something. I'm sure someone could come up with something for dBS. It's not that hard...

This isnt an issue of "Goku being the main character", because that has always been the case and always will be the case. This is something entirely different. In GT literally every relevant win to be had throighout the entire series was made by goku and him alone. Everybosy else was useless. Literally no other character even won a remotely relevant fight throughout the series. Goku appeared to be the only one the entire time to have real fighting abilities. Uub was a great opportunity that amounted to nothing except pushing apart Baby's stomach. Never did he win a real fight or have a good character moment or any development whatsoever. In fact, nobody ever received any development in GT.

That's not how the quality of a show is judged (by how many other characters got wins). If they wanted to, they could've given Pan the biggest asspull in dragonball history, made her a super saiyan Ultra Super Saiyan Blue God mode and let her defeat Omega Shenron with a spirit bomb sword made from the energy of 5 people. Sure, I would've liked to see more characters used but not in the way that Super did it with lazy story telling and fan service. Roshi stronger for no reason, U6 back tingles and Broly ripoff, Jiren's a poor man's Sasuke and Tien opened up a dojo only to be embarrassed by Master Roshi and thrown of the stage.

Pretty disingenuous with the character development comment there man. There were many moments with other characters, character development in the series. I'm starting to wonder if you've ever watched GT. Some quick examples below:

Pan began to rebel as she got older like any other kid and acted like a brat. Her relationship with Goku developed over GT and by the end of it, she was proud to call him her grandpa and loved to be around him. This is further reinforced in the final episode where she asks Goku to stay and cries when he leaves. Piccolo got one of the most emotional sendoffs in the series with him sacrificing himself out of his love for Earth, something he would never have done in DBZ. This shows how far he's come from his days as a villain. Much better executed than in Super where he's continually used as a shield for Gohan (Comparison video between Piccolo's "death" in Super vs GThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH0JH7KuPXQ). The emotional drama in the Super 17 saga from 18 seeing her brother kill her husband was one of the saddest moments in the show and a great way to introduce real tension to the show. Goku himself has some character development as he's not a complete idiot like his exaggerated DBS self. He's much more mature and understands his responsibilities as was seen when he stepped in between the Goten and Gohan fight and scolded them. Vegeta doesn't regress from his EoZ development and has finally gotten over his obsession with defeating Kakarot, a welcome change after 300 episodes of the same thing. He still trains and still has his saiyan pride but he also loves his family like when he takes Bulla shopping and is comfortable hanging out with the other characters. Uub reunited with Buu and had a nice interaction with him. He didn't win but that's to be expected against a villain who was SS4 tier. Hercules/Mr. Satan went from an arrogant fake hero to a loving grandpa and friend of the main cast. Goten and Trunks stopped being Goku and Vegeta clones and actually did things in GT, unlike in Super where they were mostly background characters.

These are things that were intentionally written into the story not fan headcanon. Some of it builds on the character development from previous series and some of it was new. Maybe the best part about GT's characterization was that they actually aged the characters. New designs and new costumes unlike in Super where Trunks and Goten look the same, Marron is 9 and somehow looks and acts like a toddler and Krillin became shorter. Point is GT did more right than just SS4

[Tai Lung]

in the original series of dragon ball there was never a black goku besides being just part of the zamasu plan, I could say the same with the idea of "vegeta possessed"since it was touched in the original series buu arc so "majin vegeta" and "baby vegeta"

Majin Vegeta was just Vegeta with evil heart. He was still 100% Vegeta.
And Baby Vegeta was something that wasn't made before. The same goes for Baby alone.
Goku Black is just body switch, Ginyu has already done that. And we already had "Evil Goku" as a Turles.
Design-wise, Baby and Baby Vegeta were very original. Zamasu and Goku Black were just Evil Kaioshin and Evil Goku. There was nothing creative about them.

Zamasu concept is very similar to Baby. He is just Baby-god.
Both hate humans/saiyans.
Both tormented Goku.
Both are obsessed with human/saiyan power.
Both see human/saiyans as barbarians.
Both steal human/saiyan body despite of that.
Both achieve new colored SSJ form. Pink and white.
Both are crazy and believe that they are doing something good for the world.
Both betrayed those who made them what they are (Myuu/Gowasu)

So yes, in my opinion Zamasu is Baby ripoff in many ways.
Entire saga feels like every other saga mixed.
We have fusions and kais like in Buu saga.
We have someone fuse with himself like in Super 17.
We have a villain make selfish wish and kill dragon like in King Piccolo saga.
We have time travel like in Cell saga.

This is why i can't understand people praising this arc. There is just nothing to praise. Every important thing was already in previous arcs of DB/DBZ/DBGT.

Zamasu is a supreme kai has to look like his race ...
You never get anywhere with Goku Ginyu only have in common the change of body just like baby.
the idea is the same vegeta possessed by someone else just so that goku is the hero

Frieza also hates the Saiyans ... and seeks revenge against them
zamasu hates mortals in general not only humans, so wrongly comparative
no ... the power of goku was a challenge to the gods especially because goku wanted to overcome them because of that zamasu chose his body as a punishment for an offense of such magnitude.
the notable difference is that zamasu accepted his hypocrisy but he believed that the punishment he applied was for a greater good than well deserved and being a god was above the rules, other than baby who never accepted that simply obeyed his primary memory of the king tuffle.
the color was achieved by the "ki convination" of the ssj blue and the zamasu from which the hair came out and the new baby clothes?
baby just fulfills a revenge so simply and do not even kill any saiyan although he had intentions to kill goku without reason.
he wanted to re-establish his planet as simple as that the other races, basically equal than sasuke uchiha
zamasu did it to preserve the beauty of the universe soiled by mortals who understood that they had no salvation.

you rely on very small similarities
So can you say that baby copied a cell when it was created by a copy of dr gero?.
I can say that same majin vegeta and buu by the small similarities between both?.

if I compare it with Dr. Lychee
both are tuffle
both manage to survive
both hate the saiyans
both seek revenge against the saiyans for destroying their planet
they make use of alien technology and creations only that baby is the creation
both have the same phrases to curse the saiyans
those are not small similarities that is a copy and paste of character ...

However, zamasu raised more genuine ideas such as the role of the gods in punishing mortals for their roles instead of taking a passive role, just observation, which led to the conclusion that it is a sin of the gods not to do nothing.

his Plan Cero Mortales carried out for the entire multiverse, and not only the Universe 10, getting rid of all the kaioshins and hakaishins so as not to have problems in eradicating all mortals, preserving the beauty in the universe. On the other hand the concepts developed using the character of Zamasu they turned out to be more striking and ambitious, coming to give a different point of view to the rigid cosmology of DB.
Other than that, he's the most successful villain in DB, mostly achieving his goals

[PFM18]

Not entirely true. There were moments which involved other characters and having Goku as the main character isn't anything new and not necessarily a bad thing. Again, you can't generalize GT with biased statements like those. It's like if I picked episode 5 from Super and said it represented the whole show and that nothing in the show was worth your time. Both shows have their ups and downs and have many of the same flaws.

Making up names for shows based on acronyms is a rather childish way to denigrate something. I'm sure someone could come up with something for dBS. It's not that hard...

This isnt an issue of "Goku being the main character", because that has always been the case and always will be the case. This is something entirely different. In GT literally every relevant win to be had throighout the entire series was made by goku and him alone. Everybosy else was useless. Literally no other character even won a remotely relevant fight throughout the series. Goku appeared to be the only one the entire time to have real fighting abilities. Uub was a great opportunity that amounted to nothing except pushing apart Baby's stomach. Never did he win a real fight or have a good character moment or any development whatsoever. In fact, nobody ever received any development in GT.

That's not how the quality of a show is judged (by how many other characters got wins). If they wanted to, they could've given Pan the biggest asspull in dragonball history, made her a super saiyan Ultra Super Saiyan Blue God mode and let her defeat Omega Shenron with a spirit bomb sword made from the energy of 5 people. Sure, I would've liked to see more characters used but not in the way that Super did it with lazy story telling and fan service. Roshi stronger for no reason, U6 back tingles and Broly ripoff, Jiren's a poor man's Sasuke and Tien opened up a dojo only to be embarrassed by Master Roshi and thrown of the stage.

Pretty disingenuous with the character development comment there man. There were many moments with other characters, character development in the series. I'm starting to wonder if you've ever watched GT. Some quick examples below:

Pan began to rebel as she got older like any other kid and acted like a brat. Her relationship with Goku developed over GT and by the end of it, she was proud to call him her grandpa and loved to be around him. This is further reinforced in the final episode where she asks Goku to stay and cries when he leaves. Piccolo got one of the most emotional sendoffs in the series with him sacrificing himself out of his love for Earth, something he would never have done in DBZ. This shows how far he's come from his days as a villain. Much better executed than in Super where he's continually used as a shield for Gohan (Comparison video between Piccolo's "death" in Super vs GThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH0JH7KuPXQ). The emotional drama in the Super 17 saga from 18 seeing her brother kill her husband was one of the saddest moments in the show and a great way to introduce real tension to the show. Goku himself has some character development as he's not a complete idiot like his exaggerated DBS self. He's much more mature and understands his responsibilities as was seen when he stepped in between the Goten and Gohan fight and scolded them. Vegeta doesn't regress from his EoZ development and has finally gotten over his obsession with defeating Kakarot, a welcome change after 300 episodes of the same thing. He still trains and still has his saiyan pride but he also loves his family like when he takes Bulla shopping and is comfortable hanging out with the other characters. Uub reunited with Buu and had a nice interaction with him. He didn't win but that's to be expected against a villain who was SS4 tier. Hercules/Mr. Satan went from an arrogant fake hero to a loving grandpa and friend of the main cast. Goten and Trunks stopped being Goku and Vegeta clones and actually did things in GT, unlike in Super where they were mostly background characters.

These are things that were intentionally written into the story not fan headcanon. Some of it builds on the character development from previous series and some of it was new. Maybe the best part about GT's characterization was that they actually aged the characters. New designs and new costumes unlike in Super where Trunks and Goten look the same, Marron is 9 and somehow looks and acts like a toddler and Krillin became shorter. Point is GT did more right than just SS4

The quality of a show obviously isn't strictly a matter of how many different characters get wins. However, it is a reflection of a bad story if in a fighting series there is only one character that ever wins any fights, then not only does it become very boring and linear in nature, but it also becomes very predictable because you know Goku is going to be the only one capable of doing anything at all. Having other characters get involved keeps the audience on their toes and makes for a more interesting story.

There is nothing disingenuous about criticizing GT for having a lack of character development.

Pan remained the same throughout the entire series she was the same whiny brat kid throughout the entire story. Obviously she was proud to call Goku her grandpa but that wasn't exactly character development she always respected Goku and nothing about her character developed at all. She cries when he leaves but she also cries when she sees Golden Oozaru Goku, it isn't exactly groundbreaking for her to cry when something bad happens to Goku. The Piccolo death was handled extremely well and I should give credit for it, forgot to mention it when I mentioned the minimal number of things GT did well. This was a cool moment but it wasn't exactly developed throughout GT nor was Piccolo's character changed in a tangible way before during or after this happening. it was just a really cool moment for Piccolo that had some meaning now that people weren't going to rely on the dragonballs. GT Vegeta is not developed instead they give an out of character iteration of Vegeta that contradicts his prideful ways and his love for battle and thirst for increasing power. He is a glorified stay at home dad that is pathetic and weak. Mr. Satan was the same as he was during the end of the Buu saga, EoZ. Nothing changed about his character. Goten and Trunks "actually" did things but this is a strange comparison to Super because in Super they are still very young and in GT they are adults. Still, Goten and Trunks no longer have their duo dynamic and just kind of become lame earthlings. I guess they "develop" in the sense that they change from what they were in DBZ but that is just a reflection of the fact that they are several years older than they were just changing because of generic changes that come with aging. You say that Super made Goten and Trunks "background characters" as though they weren't also background characters during GT.
they did nothing of significance in GT the closest thing the two of them got to being relevant was when Trunks went searching for the Black Star Dragonballs.(Which by the way was the worst arc in the franchise.)None of the things you mentioned are actually examples of legitimate character development but I can't blame you because there wasn't any in GT.

[PsionicWarrior]

This is why i can't understand people praising this arc. There is just nothing to praise. Every important thing was already in previous arcs of DB/DBZ

It is praised because despite its shortcomings it was immensely entertaining to watch, with great build ups and tensions and epic fights you know the kind of stuff we like to see in DB lol
I mean no offense but saying Zamasu is a Baby ripoff is very shallow as an oversimplification that would be like say, Goku Black could have been a Ginyu rippoff if you get where I'm going lol
for sure kind of a silly shortcut that doesn't hold much water when you see the characters in itself cheers lol

[Logania]

Black is much more popular than Baby, who isn't even in famous videogames like Xenoverse 2 and FigtherZ. Probably because Baby, unlike Black, Future Zamasu and Fused Zamasu, is not popular and iconic enough to be included in those games

Baby not being popular enough, yes, but for Black and Zamasu being in compared to Baby isn't really a fair case.

During Xenoverse 2 and FighterZ, Super was still currently airing and for Xenoverse 2 specifically the Black arc was the current arc. They wanna release the current new material for dat money, just like GT being the most new material during Budokai 3 and the Tenkaichi series. It's understandable, although for Xenoverse 2 they make characters too quickly, so much that they dont wait for characters added to finish in the anime so base Black Goku, Jiren, and UI Goku have such bland movesets (Base Black Goku and UI Goku being a stronger case, copy and pasting moveset from other characters to make them quicker)

Baby not being in besides the Great Ape form irritates me though lol

[Grimlock]

UI Goku being a stronger case, copy and pasting moveset from other characters to make them quicker)

Aside from the grab/throw which really Dimps took it from Gogeta, I don't remember playing with any other character that has the same moveset as Ultra Instinct Goku.