New "Remastered Box Set" Information

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:22 pm

As you are reading this, we're gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post right here next week. I will be able to provide an update at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned and keep in touch.

Well, this is good I guess, but it needs to address the issue realistically, not just overglorify it and miss the point, which many companies do in this regard.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:25 pm

SatoSky wrote:In regards to the box art, they could have done worse. In my opinion, the content is more important than the packaging.

True. Hmm . . .

Speaking of: I could be wrong, but this box looks thick enough that it could be holding a pack of slimcases (as opposed to being book-style). I would personally love that idea. Guesses, anyone?

FuniRepBlue wrote:As you are reading this, we're gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post right here next week. I will be able to provide an update at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned and keep in touch.

I agree with Blitzen regarding this. But I still count the fact that they're responding to our inquiries and concerns at all as fantastic news. Thanks for keeping your ears open to the fans, FUNimation.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:44 pm

FuniRepBlue wrote:As you are reading this, we're gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post right here next week. I will be able to provide an update at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned and keep in touch.

Where did this come from anyways?

Edit: Nevermind... over at FUNI's forums. Well, it does sound like they'll post some screen captures and stuff, so we actually will get to compare to whatever we want.

I'm actually surprised... Funi is doing the completely correct thing with it (which they should, because they'd want to have the best consumer response as possible)

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:46 pm

ect5150 wrote:
FuniRepBlue wrote:As you are reading this, we're gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post right here next week. I will be able to provide an update at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned and keep in touch.
Where did this come from anyways?

FUNimation forums.

Anybuttes, in regards to box art and dvd covers, there will always be alternatives, so it's a complete non-issue for me right now.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:52 pm

Blitzen wrote:
ect5150 wrote:
FuniRepBlue wrote:As you are reading this, we're gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post right here next week. I will be able to provide an update at the beginning of next week. Stay tuned and keep in touch.
Where did this come from anyways?
FUNimation forums.

Anybuttes, in regards to box art and dvd covers, there will always be alternatives, so it's a complete non-issue for me right now.

Well it's nice to see Funimation are taking the widescreen issue seriously, although I'm sure whatever they post will be "spun" again like their last explanation. Also that box art is pretty cool I guess, I'm not sure about the eyes but then again I don't really care a great deal either.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:12 pm

b_boult wrote:Well it's nice to see Funimation are taking the widescreen issue seriously, although I'm sure whatever they post will be "spun" again like their last explanation. Also that box art is pretty cool I guess, I'm not sure about the eyes but then again I don't really care a great deal either.

And you said that they didn't care.

Well . . . technically, this doesn't fall under the warm and fuzzy category. But it does prove that FUNimation is monitoring our responses, accepting our input and trying their best to please every kind of fan-- even though that's impossible and in trying they're going to end up pissing off some of us to make the rest happy.

(b_boult: Sorry I'm taking so long to respond to PMs! It's been hectic the past few days. Go check!)

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:25 pm

<referring to the "new box art">
Good lord, my eyes! I know it's pretty much the same boxart as before and its content is what truly counts, but it still grosses me out.

They could've done anything to improve the boxart from before, but this is what we get. Ugh, I'm just hoping that it's one of those "substitute" pictures that just give the buyers some kind of idea of what the boxart should look like.

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Speaking of: I could be wrong, but this box looks thick enough that it could be holding a pack of slimcases (as opposed to being book-style). I would personally love that idea. Guesses, anyone?

As I mentioned before, I prefer the book-style (digipack) better. If the discs were to slightly overlap, then they could get an even thinner set than they would have with slimcases. Also, I just think the digipack looks nicer. I mean, most if not all of the major primetime shows had digipack releases.

b_boult · Post by **b_boult** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:13 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:(b_boult: Sorry I'm taking so long to respond to PMs! It's been hectic the past few days. Go check!)

Check your inbox again I PM'ed back

DaemonCorps wrote:As I mentioned before, I prefer the book-style (digipack) better. If the discs were to slightly overlap, then they could get an even thinner set than they would have with slimcases. Also, I just think the digipack looks nicer. I mean, most if not all of the major primetime shows had digipack releases.

Also I completely agree with this. Single release DVDs shoved into a cardboard case looks so lazy, the fold out casing looks so much more professional and like a special collector's set. I used to own the Street Fighter TV series anime boxset in the "Digipack" format and it looked really cool on the inside, the artwork was very detailed indeed, but the series sucked ass so I sold it

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:26 pm

Meh, the box isn't bad, but it could be much better.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:27 am

b_boult wrote: Also I completely agree with this. Single release DVDs shoved into a cardboard case looks so lazy, the fold out casing looks so much more professional and like a special collector's set. I used to own the Street Fighter TV series anime boxset in the "Digipack" format and it looked really cool on the inside, the artwork was very detailed indeed, but the series sucked ass so I sold it

I personally cannot stand fold out digipacks for anything barring individual DVDs of movies. I mean, you get more a bootleg vibe from it, and with single cases inside one box allows for a more book-case style presentation anyway.

But regardless it's an absolute non issue since I am redoing every DVD I own to fit bricks/thinpacks.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:37 am

Hmm its odd, a lot of people liked that box art when it was yellow. Now that its orange everyone hates it? Well, I like it.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:49 am

I hated the box when it was yellow. It looks a little better, but for some reason it looks very plain. Just Vegeta, the Dragon Ball Z logo, and the Season box set text. Plain.

You guys probably don't need much more convincing, but some people over on the Funi forums do. Here is a set of screen shots I worked up showing the cropping affect. Most people are making the argument that you won't miss most of the action, which is true, but there are moments when the entire picture is needed... I'm sure others can post similar moments if needed.

Cropped
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=471603

Uncropped
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=471604

Feel free to show to others on other forums who are non believers. There is just no way there is that much extra image to fill any extra space on the edge. But the point of the above cropping is to show when it can hurt.

That really needs to be corrected now. The other pics were average, but this really cuts things out.

FUNi, at the very least, is showing signs that they're listening. This is going in the right track.

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:50 am

I like the cover art as well. The only thing I would change is Vegeta's eyes. He looks like he's cross-eyed or his eyes are "whited out"...

I'm looking forward to the respones on the FUNimation forum. I'm glad they're paying attention to all of the responses and inquiries from fans about this.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:13 am

Just quoting my friend Sara from the ANN forums (usename being cloe)

Cloe wrote:
FUNiRepBlue wrote:As you are reading this, we are gathering information and images on the digital remastering process that we will post on the Funimation forums next week.
As much as I'd love to believe that, I have to point out a major fallacy in a statement made in this link:

Funimation Forum wrote:What you will actually be getting with the digitally remastered and restored DBZ episodes is more of the viewable film that was not used for traditional 4:3 TV version.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but DBZ was originally shot on 16mm film, no? Most cel-animated TV series were, as not many studios had the budget for 35mm, especially for a 200+ episode series. Now, it is interesting to me that one would claim "missing footage" would be cut off on a TV screen from a 16mm film transfer, considering 16mm HAS A 4:3 (1.33:1) ASPECT RATIO. I have shot films on 16mm myself, and there is no mistake there. There is nothing missing, save edges beyond the title-safe area that is cut off on most TV screens. But those are cut off around all the sides, not just the left and right edges. Please stop lying to your fans.

As she is an actual animator and would know about these things, I'm going to trust her on this. So I'm taking this into serious consideration when they release the information and will check it by her aswell for any kind of fallicies or if it's just bullshit marketting speil.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:35 am

Blitzen wrote:
Funimation Forum wrote:What you will actually be getting with the digitally remastered and restored DBZ episodes is more of the viewable film that was not used for traditional 4:3 TV version.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but DBZ was originally shot on 16mm film, no? Most cel-animated TV series were, as not many studios had the budget for 35mm, especially for a 200+ episode series. Now, it is interesting to me that one would claim "missing footage" would be cut off on a TV screen from a 16mm film transfer, considering 16mm HAS A 4:3 (1.33:1) ASPECT RATIO. I have shot films on 16mm myself, and there is no mistake there. There is nothing missing, save edges beyond the title-safe area that is cut off on most TV screens. But those are cut off around all the sides, not just the left and right edges. Please stop lying to your fans.

Yeah, we've (the fanbase) repeatedly noted that the cels were originally framed, animated and shot in a 4:3 aspect ratio on all three forums, and while DaizEX and AnimeonDVD seem to get it, FUNi's forums have a few people that naively want to believe that since FUNi has come out and proclaimed their innocence that all is well...

Unfortunately, some of us weren't born yesterday ;p

-Corey

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:22 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Yeah, we've (the fanbase) repeatedly noted that the cels were originally framed, animated and shot in a 4:3 aspect ratio on all three forums, and while DaizEX and AnimeonDVD seem to get it, FUNi's forums have a few people that naively want to believe that since FUNi has come out and proclaimed their innocence that all is well...

Not only that!

I notice also that a number of people on the FUNimation forums-- Corey, are you the only one of them that posts here?-- seem to be waiting desperately for that Podcast announcement to come through (and mention it frequently) . . . you know, as if it's going to change the outcome somehow. I'm sure that Mike is glad for the interest, but unless the person he interviews turns out to be Gen Fukunaga who comes out and says, "Hey, don't worry; the widescreen thing was all a joke!" and lovingly massages the nuts of every FUNi fanboy out there, I don't see what exactly these poor people can expect to hope for . . .

(I'm eager to hear just what it is the Big Three will have to say, too. The difference is that I hold no delusions of grandeur as to what it will be, so to speak . . . unless, of course, they're talking about separate widescreen/full-screen releases.)

Don't get me wrong; I still love FUNimation for what it's doing. These season box sets are still on track to be much more than I could have ever hoped for, and I'm going to be picking up every single one as they're released. But barring a miracle, there evidently will be some cropping. Even I've come to realize that now.

Do I like it? Not really. But then, I was never terribly upset in the first place. Even so, I accept it, and I feel better off for it. There's no magic solution here like a lot of us (including myself) were hoping for; NOW what this release rides on is just how much of the picture ends up cropped, which means waiting to see the comparison images promised us next week.

It won't affect my decision, as I'll still definitely be paying for this, but I still look forward to knowing exactly what it is we'll get in terms of picture and seeing the reactions of those whose decision lives by it.

On a more positive note, I do absolutely applaud the FUNi reps for continually keeping in touch with the fan base during this time-- particularly when they don't have to. After all, the widescreen issue isn't their fault, and they can only put so much positive spin on the information they're given before we grab hold of the logic, but . . . hey, they're trying.

The alternative would be just to keep quiet, and if they did that the forums would probably explode.

EDIT: Corey, I just read what you posted over on the AoD Forums. Obviously I agree.

Which brings me to a discomforting thought. While the widescreen issue is a galvanizing one for good reason and definitely deserving of debate, it's my sincere hope that enough other people share your mentality where there isn't going to be an angry mob shouting and swearing at that poor FUNi rep if it indeed turns out to be the news they don't want to hear.

Though I don't post over at AoD, the impression I get from the people there is that it's actually a rather mature collective-- am I right? Though I suppose I'm worried particularly about what will happen on the FUNimation forums instead, which seem to be a little less organized. What do you think?

What do you all think?

OutRun2 · Post by **OutRun2** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:32 am

This news is saddends me.

In a way I am pleasantly surprised that we are finally getting the entire DBZ remastered in hi-def/5.1 sound, but I am extremely saddened and disappointed that Funimation is not releasing this series in its entirety ALL AT ONCE they Toei did with their R2 Dragonbox set

It means that for someone like me, someone who has been deliberately avoiding watching DBZ in any way, shape or form, has to wait until what will probably be up to another YEAR before I can watch the series the way I've been wanting to watch it...IN ITS ENTIRELTY and in ONE sitting!

I hate having to wait months at a time to complete watching a long series. I want to sit down and enjoy a nice long DBZ marathon. With this new release, I won't be able to do that. I will now have to continue sitting on the sidelines waiting until ALL these season sets are released before I start watching them

This makes me extremely depressed and sad

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:11 am

Awww, poor Outrun. DAMN YOU FUNI!

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:52 am

You know, I've actually been doing that too. I've not been watching the show on purpose so that when these new box set's come out, the experience will be better. Manga is keeping me going.

And now, I must get ready for my camp out for the Wii. If I am not here when the anniversary podcast comes out, FORGIVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:09 pm

I think I figured out the widescreen problem. Ok, so the Japanese raw footage has some more of the image then FUNimation showed. All FUNi has to do is put black lines over what they didnt show us before and poof, widescreen! It also shows more of the image this way on the right and lefts sides. So as of right now, this makes sence to me. Anyone wanna crap all over my theroy?