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I've got a lot to say about this topic; first off, this has been rumored for so, so, sooooooooo long, that I myself halfway don’t believe its really happening, and still won’t until we get a some kind of screenshot or teaser of some sort.
Secondly, let me say off the bat that when it comes to Hollywood adaptations of books, cartoons, comics, etc. I am IMMENSELY forgiving. Speaking as a die hard Marvel fan that has grown up on those comics since age 7, I’ve loved almost all of the Marvel Comics films that have been coming out steadily since the first Blade with Wesley Snipes (excluding perhaps Elektra; my god what a dull movie). Even X-Men: The Last Stand, for all its faults, I felt was a reasonably good movie, even really great at some parts.
In essence what I’m saying is that no, I’m not what you would classify as “an impossible to please, nay saying internet fanboy”.
All that said; an American, Hollywood made, live action DBZ film hasn’t a snowballs chance in hell of being anything short of embarrassingly awful. Not unless the screenwriters and director chosen have a tremendous amount of love and respect for the manga at the very least, and I’m not exactly holding my breath for that. There are so many strikes against this film before it’s even gotten out of the planning stages, that I don’t even know where to begin.
I suppose the obvious place to start would be…
Problem 1) The “look”. - Right here, you’re stuck in a seemingly no win situation, as Akira Toriyama’s artwork and designs are at once so distinct and so synonymous and iconic with everything that is Dragon Ball, while at the same time being so outlandish and far removed from anything resembling reality (particularly and most notably in the hairstyle department, but also just as much in clothing and costuming as well); stay too close to the look of the characters as presented in the source material, and you wind up with something that’ll look absolutely preposterous and ghastly in live action. Stray too far, and it’ll cease to be recognizable as Dragon Ball. Right here, the filmmakers are placed on a precarious and slippery slope.
Next off you have…
Problem 2) The task of adapting the storyline. – Dragon Ball’s story, as everyone here is aware, is quite lengthy and epic in scope, filled with a dizzying cast of characters, both major and minor. Now once more, let me reiterate that in this area, I am very, very forgiving. I hate to flog out Marvel as an example once again, but let’s look at X-Men; here you have a comic that is more than 30 years old, filled with thousands upon thousands of characters and sub-characters and story arcs, far more than even something like Dragon Ball.
Numerous liberties were taken to cram as much of the core elements as could be within a single two hour or so film, which is not only to be expected, but also very much necessary. And while there were many things that could have been handled better (Rogue’s role as Wolverine’s surrogate daughter figure in the first movie should have gone to Jubilee or Kitty Pride), and some things that were just flat out inexcusable (eliminating Sabertooth’s close history with Wolverine), overall… I personally think it turned out to be pretty damned faithful to the core concept of X-Men all things considered. It could have been a helluva lot worse. It could have been Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin.
But the thing is, with something like X-Men, or Superman, or Spider-Man… all these comic book films turned out more or less okay, and not completely forehead slappingly unfaithful to their sources for a very significant (and overlooked) reason; they’re all iconic pieces of Americana. Hollywood, for all its excesses and idiocies, had enough foresight (and experience with the deteriorating mess that was the Batman franchise) to realize that these stories and characters had become quite steeped within the public psyche. This is why we got Superman Returns, instead of the total hogwash that would have been producer Jon Peters’ “vision” for a Superman feature film (which included, among other things, a Superman that couldn’t fly, a costume that was black and had no cape, as well as a completely reworked origin that involved Krypton NOT blowing up).
Dragon Ball, in stark contrast, is about as un-American as you can get. It’s a story that, for all its weirdness, is heavily steeped in Asian folklore. In spite of the immense exposure and popularity it gained via the FUNimation dub on Cartoon Network, it’s a franchise that is nowhere even close to being as beloved here in the States as it is in its native homeland. It’s simply far too “recent” here in the U.S. compared to stuff like Superman or Spider-Man, to have received the kind of “classic status” and public goodwill that another 30 or so years of staying power in the mainstream spotlight could grant. Simply put; this will be a film made by people who don’t give a damn about staying true to the core concept of the series, because as far as they are concerned, the mass market doesn’t care either. Ten years since the first attempt at a U.S. dub, and less than that since it finally “hit its stride” on Cartoon Network, and the series is currently enjoying the status of a “dead fad”, at least as far as the mainstream American media is concerned.
In Japan, the series is more than twenty years old now, and while by no means as “huge” as it was in its heyday, it still maintains a great degree of respect and fondness in the eyes of both the public, as well as some of the best manga artists of this generation, most notably being the one of the primary inspirations for a little manga called Naruto, (compare that to here in America, where the most notable thing it’s inspired recently was an inane and tiresome internet meme involving the number 9000) in spite of the fact that its been finished in anime format for a decade now, and in manga format for even longer. And nowhere is this more apparent than the fact that we’re talking about a live action Dragon Ball Z film, and not a Dragon Ball film.
That right there is another immediate strike against this film right at the concept stage; starting the storyline from the Z era is a completely misguided and inexcusably boneheaded decision. I don’t care how damned marketable those golden haired “Super Saiyans” are; this story begins with Son Goku first meeting Bulma up in the Paozu mountains as a child. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The Saiya-jin story arc is smack in the middle of the series proper. Far too many important events occur before this time; the introduction of and the meetings between all our main characters, including Son Goku, Bulma, Muten Roshi, Kuririn, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo for one. Piccolo’s ENTIRE backstory and character motivation. The whole reason for his initial antagonism towards Goku, as well as the reason it’s such a big deal that the two must team up against a foe like Raditz. In other words, all of the dramatic tension within the first major events of the film will be rendered non-existent.
The Saiya-jin saga kicks off immediately with confrontations and alliances between old enemies, and the battle against Nappa primarily consists of characters the audience is suposed to already be familliar with getting systematically slaughtered one by one. And without that backstory and character buildup, audiences will be given little to no reason to care.
But the roots of this problem extend as far back as the series introduction to the United States. As far as the average U.S. viewer is concerned, Dragon Ball begins and ends with the Z era, and the first shot in the first episode to them consists of Raditz’s space pod crashing down on Earth. Assuming the general public is even aware that there exists a series that comes beforehand, the original Dragon Ball generally gets treated here as a second rate prequel, of little consequence to the “main” storyline. This is in stark contrast to once again, its native country of origin where Dragon Ball is just as well known and highly regarded (if not more so) than Z.
FUNimation is just as much to blame for this; the full thrust of their marketing in the U.S. goes to DBZ, and their dub of Dragon Ball was, to paraphrase a direct quote from Chris Sabat himself; “intended for a niche hardcore market”. Which brings me to…
Problem 3) The Tone. – Even assuming that FUNimation keeps their grubby little hands far away from this film, there will be little doubt that this film will be an adaptation of “FUNimation's Dragon Ball Z” and NOT “Akira Toriyama’s Dragon Ball”. Which will essentially make this film an adaptation of an adaptation (and a grossly unfaithful one at that). In other words, what we have here is a great big mess of ideas that when put together, will no doubt lack anything resembling cohesion.
Once again, this movie will be aimed for the widest demographic possible, and as far as the U.S. mainstream is concerned, FUNimation’s “vision” of the series is the most immediately recognizable. Therefore it is more than likely that this film will bear a tone that is more in keeping with that adaptation, rather than the original. Thus we’ll likely be treated to a soundtrack consisting of droning, obnoxious “rock” music of Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers caliber, rather than a properly orchestrated score with an Eastern tone. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Linkin Park wound up on the soundtrack in some sort of misguided attempt at a “shout out to the fans” because the band’s music has been (over)used ad nauseam for countless (and most often poorly made) fan made AMVs.
We’ll see battles that will no doubt be spectacular insofar as special effects are concerned sure; but with their level of violence and visceral impact watered down for the Happy Meal buying kiddies (not blaming FUNimation’s adaptation there; this is just chalked up to American society in general). If this film gets even so much as a PG-13 rating, I’ll die of shock.
Furthermore, it’s almost a foregone conclusion that Goku and his friends will be dealt with as a Team of Superheroes rather than what they're supposed to be; a motley band of martial artists. Ones with vast knowledge and skill in mystical ki abilities that makes them ungodly powerful, yes; but martial artists just the same. Speaking of which, I’ll be mighty impressed if they actually refer to their powers as being derived from ki channeling techniques; but again, I’m not holding my breath. Likely these guys will just fly around and shoot lasers from their hands simply because they can, further bewildering the average viewer. Or heaven help us, perhaps the filmmakers will attempt their own “explanation”, one that will no doubt have a sci-fi bent.
The direction of the acting, particularly within fight scenes, will more than likely take a definite turn toward the “hilariously over the top macho”. I expect WWE style grunting and endless cliché and testosterone laden schpiels about who’s “Power Level” is higher, rather than martial arts kiais and dialogue that both furthers the plot and character development WHILE being legitimately badass.
Also, assuming we do meet the likes of Kami and Kaio-sama, the various Kaioshins etc. we can expect them to be vague and nondescript “beings from a parallel dimension” rather than a pantheon of gods and deities. This is of course, assuming these characters even make the cut in the first place. Any and all demon or demonic characters will of course, be strictly referred to as “aliens”, regardless of storytelling logic. My head hurts just thinking about the incomprehensible mess that will be made of the Majin Buu storyline, assuming of course the films ever get that far.
In short, what we’ll wind up with is something that will carry the tone of a mindless sci-fi kiddie action fluff piece, with ideas and concepts all over the map and lacking in any sort of structure and development, with little regard for anything that made Toriyama’s manga the wonky and memorable adventure tale that myself and millions of other fans fell in love with, and still continues to endure as a both a manga and anime classic as well as a viable franchise all these decades later, as evidenced by this supposed upcoming live action film.
And no, I am 100% NOT excited about the prospect of this film “introducing so many new fans into the fold”. Because this is the age of the message board, and the post Star Wars prequel generation. At the risk of coming off as an asshole (if I haven't already), I dare anyone here to tell me with a straight face that at least 80% of these “new fans” won’t consist of drooling morons who flood boards like this one with the express purpose of starting pointless “flame wars” and posting all manner of idiotic bullshit. The U.S. Dragon Ball Z fandom has a vast and storied history with these kinds of people, and there are more than enough of them NOW as it is (in general, not necessarily on this particular board, which is why I like coming here); it’ll only worsen with the advent of something like a mainstream live action movie, and maybe even spill over into good ol’ Daizex. I’m sure that poor Mike and Meri aren’t exactly thrilled by that prospect.
And as far as new merchandise goes; again, as another user pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the large thrust of the merchandise will be geared toward the film. So if you’re harboring dreams of seeing something like a Daizenshuu translation making its way here to our shores because of this film, keep on dreaming. And even if it did ever get brought here, the “translation” would be marred by FUNimation’s “take” on the series’ lore. Either way you slice it, them books ain’t never getting a “real” translation, unless perhaps they allowed Daimao Simmons to head the translation without any stipulations placed on him, similar to the DVD subs. Aside from that, it’ll just be standard movie tie in stuff like posters, bad video games, and action figures in the likeness of the actors from the film.
All in all; color me less than enthused. But of course I'm not psychic, and I could be wrong...
I've got a lot to say about this topic; first off, this has been rumored for so, so, sooooooooo long, that I myself halfway don’t believe its really happening, and still won’t until we get a some kind of screenshot or teaser of some sort.
Secondly, let me say off the bat that when it comes to Hollywood adaptations of books, cartoons, comics, etc. I am IMMENSELY forgiving. Speaking as a die hard Marvel fan that has grown up on those comics since age 7, I’ve loved almost all of the Marvel Comics films that have been coming out steadily since the first Blade with Wesley Snipes (excluding perhaps Elektra; my god what a dull movie). Even X-Men: The Last Stand, for all its faults, I felt was a reasonably good movie, even really great at some parts.
In essence what I’m saying is that no, I’m not what you would classify as “an impossible to please, nay saying internet fanboy”.
All that said; an American, Hollywood made, live action DBZ film hasn’t a snowballs chance in hell of being anything short of embarrassingly awful. Not unless the screenwriters and director chosen have a tremendous amount of love and respect for the manga at the very least, and I’m not exactly holding my breath for that. There are so many strikes against this film before it’s even gotten out of the planning stages, that I don’t even know where to begin.
I suppose the obvious place to start would be…
Problem 1) The “look”. - Right here, you’re stuck in a seemingly no win situation, as Akira Toriyama’s artwork and designs are at once so distinct and so synonymous and iconic with everything that is Dragon Ball, while at the same time being so outlandish and far removed from anything resembling reality (particularly and most notably in the hairstyle department, but also just as much in clothing and costuming as well); stay too close to the look of the characters as presented in the source material, and you wind up with something that’ll look absolutely preposterous and ghastly in live action. Stray too far, and it’ll cease to be recognizable as Dragon Ball. Right here, the filmmakers are placed on a precarious and slippery slope.
Next off you have…
Problem 2) The task of adapting the storyline. – Dragon Ball’s story, as everyone here is aware, is quite lengthy and epic in scope, filled with a dizzying cast of characters, both major and minor. Now once more, let me reiterate that in this area, I am very, very forgiving. I hate to flog out Marvel as an example once again, but let’s look at X-Men; here you have a comic that is more than 30 years old, filled with thousands upon thousands of characters and sub-characters and story arcs, far more than even something like Dragon Ball.
Numerous liberties were taken to cram as much of the core elements as could be within a single two hour or so film, which is not only to be expected, but also very much necessary. And while there were many things that could have been handled better (Rogue’s role as Wolverine’s surrogate daughter figure in the first movie should have gone to Jubilee or Kitty Pride), and some things that were just flat out inexcusable (eliminating Sabertooth’s close history with Wolverine), overall… I personally think it turned out to be pretty damned faithful to the core concept of X-Men all things considered. It could have been a helluva lot worse. It could have been Joel Schumacher’s Batman and Robin.
But the thing is, with something like X-Men, or Superman, or Spider-Man… all these comic book films turned out more or less okay, and not completely forehead slappingly unfaithful to their sources for a very significant (and overlooked) reason; they’re all iconic pieces of Americana. Hollywood, for all its excesses and idiocies, had enough foresight (and experience with the deteriorating mess that was the Batman franchise) to realize that these stories and characters had become quite steeped within the public psyche. This is why we got Superman Returns, instead of the total hogwash that would have been producer Jon Peters’ “vision” for a Superman feature film (which included, among other things, a Superman that couldn’t fly, a costume that was black and had no cape, as well as a completely reworked origin that involved Krypton NOT blowing up).
Dragon Ball, in stark contrast, is about as un-American as you can get. It’s a story that, for all its weirdness, is heavily steeped in Asian folklore. In spite of the immense exposure and popularity it gained via the FUNimation dub on Cartoon Network, it’s a franchise that is nowhere even close to being as beloved here in the States as it is in its native homeland. It’s simply far too “recent” here in the U.S. compared to stuff like Superman or Spider-Man, to have received the kind of “classic status” and public goodwill that another 30 or so years of staying power in the mainstream spotlight could grant. Simply put; this will be a film made by people who don’t give a damn about staying true to the core concept of the series, because as far as they are concerned, the mass market doesn’t care either. Ten years since the first attempt at a U.S. dub, and less than that since it finally “hit its stride” on Cartoon Network, and the series is currently enjoying the status of a “dead fad”, at least as far as the mainstream American media is concerned.
In Japan, the series is more than twenty years old now, and while by no means as “huge” as it was in its heyday, it still maintains a great degree of respect and fondness in the eyes of both the public, as well as some of the best manga artists of this generation, most notably being the one of the primary inspirations for a little manga called Naruto, (compare that to here in America, where the most notable thing it’s inspired recently was an inane and tiresome internet meme involving the number 9000) in spite of the fact that its been finished in anime format for a decade now, and in manga format for even longer. And nowhere is this more apparent than the fact that we’re talking about a live action Dragon Ball Z film, and not a Dragon Ball film.
That right there is another immediate strike against this film right at the concept stage; starting the storyline from the Z era is a completely misguided and inexcusably boneheaded decision. I don’t care how damned marketable those golden haired “Super Saiyans” are; this story begins with Son Goku first meeting Bulma up in the Paozu mountains as a child. Period. No ifs ands or buts. The Saiya-jin story arc is smack in the middle of the series proper. Far too many important events occur before this time; the introduction of and the meetings between all our main characters, including Son Goku, Bulma, Muten Roshi, Kuririn, Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo for one. Piccolo’s ENTIRE backstory and character motivation. The whole reason for his initial antagonism towards Goku, as well as the reason it’s such a big deal that the two must team up against a foe like Raditz. In other words, all of the dramatic tension within the first major events of the film will be rendered non-existent.
The Saiya-jin saga kicks off immediately with confrontations and alliances between old enemies, and the battle against Nappa primarily consists of characters the audience is suposed to already be familliar with getting systematically slaughtered one by one. And without that backstory and character buildup, audiences will be given little to no reason to care.
But the roots of this problem extend as far back as the series introduction to the United States. As far as the average U.S. viewer is concerned, Dragon Ball begins and ends with the Z era, and the first shot in the first episode to them consists of Raditz’s space pod crashing down on Earth. Assuming the general public is even aware that there exists a series that comes beforehand, the original Dragon Ball generally gets treated here as a second rate prequel, of little consequence to the “main” storyline. This is in stark contrast to once again, its native country of origin where Dragon Ball is just as well known and highly regarded (if not more so) than Z.
FUNimation is just as much to blame for this; the full thrust of their marketing in the U.S. goes to DBZ, and their dub of Dragon Ball was, to paraphrase a direct quote from Chris Sabat himself; “intended for a niche hardcore market”. Which brings me to…
Problem 3) The Tone. – Even assuming that FUNimation keeps their grubby little hands far away from this film, there will be little doubt that this film will be an adaptation of “FUNimation's Dragon Ball Z” and NOT “Akira Toriyama’s Dragon Ball”. Which will essentially make this film an adaptation of an adaptation (and a grossly unfaithful one at that). In other words, what we have here is a great big mess of ideas that when put together, will no doubt lack anything resembling cohesion.
Once again, this movie will be aimed for the widest demographic possible, and as far as the U.S. mainstream is concerned, FUNimation’s “vision” of the series is the most immediately recognizable. Therefore it is more than likely that this film will bear a tone that is more in keeping with that adaptation, rather than the original. Thus we’ll likely be treated to a soundtrack consisting of droning, obnoxious “rock” music of Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers caliber, rather than a properly orchestrated score with an Eastern tone. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Linkin Park wound up on the soundtrack in some sort of misguided attempt at a “shout out to the fans” because the band’s music has been (over)used ad nauseam for countless (and most often poorly made) fan made AMVs.
We’ll see battles that will no doubt be spectacular insofar as special effects are concerned sure; but with their level of violence and visceral impact watered down for the Happy Meal buying kiddies (not blaming FUNimation’s adaptation there; this is just chalked up to American society in general). If this film gets even so much as a PG-13 rating, I’ll die of shock.
Furthermore, it’s almost a foregone conclusion that Goku and his friends will be dealt with as a Team of Superheroes rather than what they're supposed to be; a motley band of martial artists. Ones with vast knowledge and skill in mystical ki abilities that makes them ungodly powerful, yes; but martial artists just the same. Speaking of which, I’ll be mighty impressed if they actually refer to their powers as being derived from ki channeling techniques; but again, I’m not holding my breath. Likely these guys will just fly around and shoot lasers from their hands simply because they can, further bewildering the average viewer. Or heaven help us, perhaps the filmmakers will attempt their own “explanation”, one that will no doubt have a sci-fi bent.
The direction of the acting, particularly within fight scenes, will more than likely take a definite turn toward the “hilariously over the top macho”. I expect WWE style grunting and endless cliché and testosterone laden schpiels about who’s “Power Level” is higher, rather than martial arts kiais and dialogue that both furthers the plot and character development WHILE being legitimately badass.
Also, assuming we do meet the likes of Kami and Kaio-sama, the various Kaioshins etc. we can expect them to be vague and nondescript “beings from a parallel dimension” rather than a pantheon of gods and deities. This is of course, assuming these characters even make the cut in the first place. Any and all demon or demonic characters will of course, be strictly referred to as “aliens”, regardless of storytelling logic. My head hurts just thinking about the incomprehensible mess that will be made of the Majin Buu storyline, assuming of course the films ever get that far.
In short, what we’ll wind up with is something that will carry the tone of a mindless sci-fi kiddie action fluff piece, with ideas and concepts all over the map and lacking in any sort of structure and development, with little regard for anything that made Toriyama’s manga the wonky and memorable adventure tale that myself and millions of other fans fell in love with, and still continues to endure as a both a manga and anime classic as well as a viable franchise all these decades later, as evidenced by this supposed upcoming live action film.
And no, I am 100% NOT excited about the prospect of this film “introducing so many new fans into the fold”. Because this is the age of the message board, and the post Star Wars prequel generation. At the risk of coming off as an asshole (if I haven't already), I dare anyone here to tell me with a straight face that at least 80% of these “new fans” won’t consist of drooling morons who flood boards like this one with the express purpose of starting pointless “flame wars” and posting all manner of idiotic bullshit. The U.S. Dragon Ball Z fandom has a vast and storied history with these kinds of people, and there are more than enough of them NOW as it is (in general, not necessarily on this particular board, which is why I like coming here); it’ll only worsen with the advent of something like a mainstream live action movie, and maybe even spill over into good ol’ Daizex. I’m sure that poor Mike and Meri aren’t exactly thrilled by that prospect.
And as far as new merchandise goes; again, as another user pointed out elsewhere in this thread, the large thrust of the merchandise will be geared toward the film. So if you’re harboring dreams of seeing something like a Daizenshuu translation making its way here to our shores because of this film, keep on dreaming. And even if it did ever get brought here, the “translation” would be marred by FUNimation’s “take” on the series’ lore. Either way you slice it, them books ain’t never getting a “real” translation, unless perhaps they allowed Daimao Simmons to head the translation without any stipulations placed on him, similar to the DVD subs. Aside from that, it’ll just be standard movie tie in stuff like posters, bad video games, and action figures in the likeness of the actors from the film.
All in all; color me less than enthused. But of course I'm not psychic, and I could be wrong...
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Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
I read your entire post, and I've gotta say that I agree with just about everything you said. The only thing I disagree with is cutting references to demons and whatnot. They'd probably think it makes the movie more hardcore or something, and would win over the casual kid viewers without actually exceeding the PG limitations.Kunzait_83 wrote:...long post...
Either way, all I see them doing with this movie is taking the most basic elements of DBZ and sticking them into a cookie-cutter Hollywood explosion-fest. But whatever, I'm not too worried because I also don't believe this will be made. I'm not saying everybody is wrong or anything, just taking the "I'll believe it when I see it" stance.
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In regards to someone's suggestion of getting Stephen Chow to direct DBZ, I just recalled a simple little fact that will prove the possibility to be impossible. Stephen Chow isn't even allowed to step foot into Canada. His attempts on immigration to Canada failed him miserably due to his allegated connections to the Triads.
Kunzait_83 wrote a very detailed explanation on why an American live-action DBZ movie wouldn't work. He practically read my mind. A live-action DBZ movie should be done by Asian film makers or at least, one who knows the DBZ stories well enough to make it a good one.
Kunzait_83 wrote a very detailed explanation on why an American live-action DBZ movie wouldn't work. He practically read my mind. A live-action DBZ movie should be done by Asian film makers or at least, one who knows the DBZ stories well enough to make it a good one.
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I agree with this completely. Ya it can be considered biased, but I don't care. I feel it's the truth.tinlunlau wrote:A live-action DBZ movie should be done by Asian film makers or at least, one who knows the DBZ stories well enough to make it a good one.
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Most intelligent super long post ever. 
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You know what? I'll send Buu to absorb Fort Nox, use it to buy the rights from Fox and funnel excess profits to them so they'll be happy, and then come hand it to someone who can do it right.
BUU! KITE KITE! Asoko ga 'footto nokusu' da. Moshi bokutachi ga are aru ba man okashi taberareru yo!
<-- Spelled cake wrong. Can't read kanji. Too lazy to turn on kana. Leave me alone.
. Wait... come back. ...
*ahem*. Is it significant that they've waited so long to do anything with it? Is this a sign of some kind that maybe... just maybe they're trying to do it right? *doubts* *thinks it's more likely they got confused, popularity dimmed, then Funi released the big orange bricks and they decided to go with it*
:dYou know what? I'll send Buu to absorb Fort Nox, use it to buy the rights from Fox and funnel excess profits to them so they'll be happy, and then come hand it to someone who can do it right.
BUU! KITE KITE! Asoko ga 'footto nokusu' da. Moshi bokutachi ga are aru ba man okashi taberareru yo!
<-- Spelled cake wrong. Can't read kanji. Too lazy to turn on kana. Leave me alone.
. Wait... come back. ... *ahem*. Is it significant that they've waited so long to do anything with it? Is this a sign of some kind that maybe... just maybe they're trying to do it right? *doubts* *thinks it's more likely they got confused, popularity dimmed, then Funi released the big orange bricks and they decided to go with it*
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More than likely, it's an ashcan production. Fox will probably lose the rights if they don't move now, so they'll crank out something like the 1994 Fantastic Four film.caejones wrote:*ahem*. Is it significant that they've waited so long to do anything with it? Is this a sign of some kind that maybe... just maybe they're trying to do it right? *doubts* *thinks it's more likely they got confused, popularity dimmed, then Funi released the big orange bricks and they decided to go with it*
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Second on that one.Duo wrote:Kunzait just pretty much tore the idea of the movie a new one, and I'm right behind him on it I'm as pessimistic as can be on this issue. I think we're walking into a tornado with this thing.
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Christopher Judge (Stargate SG-1) for Piccolo. And that is all I have to say about the (possible) movie.
. . . what?
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. . . what?
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I agree completely, case and point, I've always been a huge G1 Transformers fan, now with the new movie, everyone claims to have watched the original show, I went to a party last night and had to put up with some douche in an Optimus Prime T-shirt trying to tell me about the Transformers.Kunzait_83 wrote:
*snip*
And no, I am 100% NOT excited about the prospect of this film “introducing so many new fans into the fold”. Because this is the age of the message board, and the post Star Wars prequel generation. At the risk of coming off as an asshole (if I haven't already), I dare anyone here to tell me with a straight face that at least 80% of these “new fans” won’t consist of drooling morons who flood boards like this one with the express purpose of starting pointless “flame wars” and posting all manner of idiotic bullshit.
(so naturally being a G1 nerd, I had to prove my superiority)
"Who succeeded Optimus Prime after his death"
"..."
"Yeah, I thought so, the correct answer is Rodimus Prime (Aka Hot Rod) you fucking poser"
It's going to be a fifty fifty split of the "drooling morons" and the pretentious asshats that have nothing better to do than jump on the pop-culture bandwagon while knowing nothing about it, buying a T-shirt off Ebay and having a quick read on Wikipedia doesn't make you a fan.
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So won't it make it that much more fun to "correct" them?
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And, you know, the stuff that actually matters and isn't a matter of cheap video editing, like plot and characters and lettuce.raz1337 wrote:There are too many things that can be screwed up in the movie adaption. Namely the hair, the energy attacks, transformations, what was the Japanese name for the instant moving 20 feet away thing, I think everything.
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No. I for one derive no pleasure in participating in such childish dick swinging contests. 2nd grade was a long time ago for me.SSj Kaboom wrote:So won't it make it that much more fun to "correct" them?
Personally, this is the one and only Dragon Ball related website (that is still regularly updated at least) left on the internet that I hold any degree of respect for, and it contains the only such forum populated mostly by folks that I genuinely like and can engage in (relativelySSj Kaboom wrote:New movie-drawn fans = new disciples into the fold. Be not afraid, my children. I am a kind master...
)intelligent discourse. I'm not at all anxious to see that delicate and precarious status disrupted in any way. Although knowing Mike, I'm sure he'd sooner fly into a Freeza-esque rage, and go on a mass banning spree before he'd let his own website deteriorate into an online battleground for the kinds of asshats who swarm message boards like locusts the nanosecond an old cartoon, comic book, or other such retro geek property gets a big budget mainstream live action film.
Still though, I wouldn't want to see anything like that come to pass at all if it can be helped. If that means we miss out on a live action film that holds a 98% chance of sucking titanic amounts of ass anyway... well then I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it.
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Come to naught at last he surely will!
Zephyr wrote:And that's to say nothing of how pretty much impossible it is to capture what made the original run of the series so great. I'm in the generation of fans that started with Toonami, so I totally empathize with the feeling of having "missed the party", experiencing disappointment, and wanting to experience it myself. But I can't, that's how life is. Time is a bitch. The party is over. Kageyama, Kikuchi, and Maeda are off the sauce now; Yanami almost OD'd; Yamamoto got arrested; Toriyama's not going to light trash cans on fire and hang from the chandelier anymore. We can't get the band back together, and even if we could, everyone's either old, in poor health, or calmed way the fuck down. Best we're going to get, and are getting, is a party that's almost entirely devoid of the magic that made the original one so awesome that we even want more.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:It grinds my gears that people get "outraged" over any of this stuff. It's a fucking cartoon. If you are that determined to be angry about something, get off the internet and make a stand for something that actually matters.
Rocketman wrote:"Shonen" basically means "stupid sentimental shit" anyway, so it's ok to be anti-shonen.
Third.Sebastian (SB) wrote:Second on that one.Duo wrote:Kunzait just pretty much tore the idea of the movie a new one, and I'm right behind him on it I'm as pessimistic as can be on this issue. I think we're walking into a tornado with this thing.
It explained all my feelings in an awesomely long way.
I guess I'll be the only one to say, "This movie's gonna be awesome! Holy shit! They're making DBZ an American, live-action movie. Whoopy!"
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(Please wait until I've been proved wrong to skin me. Kay thanks bye.)What's scarier than a DBZ H-game?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuBVyPsL5g]Fear the dancing![/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuBVyPsL5g]Fear the dancing![/url]