Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[vegitot]

Now some Sorbet's fans want some feats?

Spoiler:

Do you people want more ?

[FortuneSSJ]

Now some Sorbet's fans want some feats?

Spoiler:

Do you people want more ?

Yeah, I want a laser beam piercing someone's heart.

[Gyt Kaliba]

On the note of being less excited for this now that we know about Dragon Ball Super...honestly, I think I'm still more excited for this movie at the moment. But mainly that's because this movie is a tangible thing. We've had a long time to know it was coming. We've gotten updates on it. We now know what it's about almost to the bone, and are set to know even more about it any day now. Dragon Ball Super on the other hand...I'm still looking at in awe and disbelief that it's even real. Like, I'm still trying to process that it's not another joke like the kind that used to trick me in the younger days of my fandom.

Once it becomes more real to me, I'm sure I'll be more hyped than I've ever been before, but for now the initial 'WAIT WHAT' feeling has settled down for me.

[ShadowWolf87]

On the note of being less excited for this now that we know about Dragon Ball Super...honestly, I think I'm still more excited for this movie at the moment. But mainly that's because this movie is a tangible thing. We've had a long time to know it was coming. We've gotten updates on it. We now know what it's about almost to the bone, and are set to know even more about it any day now. Dragon Ball Super on the other hand...I'm still looking at in awe and disbelief that it's even real. Like, I'm still trying to process that it's not another joke like the kind that used to trick me in the younger days of my fandom.

Once it becomes more real to me, I'm sure I'll be more hyped than I've ever been before, but for now the initial 'WAIT WHAT' feeling has settled down for me.

Plus the movie, for me, holds more certainty as to what I'll be seeing. The series, while I'm excited by the potential, also leaves me with some worry.

I mean, we don't even know for sure when it's definitely set, all we got was a generic "few years after Buu". So is it pre-BoG? Post-FnF? Post-manga? Honestly I'd love for them to find a way to do more with characters not of Saiyan origin, as people really seemed to love that in FnF but I dunno...

Just gonna stick with movie hype for now and sweat that out another time.

[fexus]

It's not about the aura. It's just that at that specific time Goku has drop down his ki level so low that the ring laser worked on him. Piercing power in DB is always better than the blast type of attacks. This was shown in the manga and again in this movie. The points are already in the manga, the movie only use those points in a different way. People just don't like that because the level is too low. We are specifically talking about Goku. Not Vegeta, not Freeza. Goku was the one that did it. It's one of Goku's weakness. I'm not saying that this is good writing but people thinking this is a plot hole is just too much.

You see, that's the point. There is no indication in the movie Goku lowered his ki level as he was still battling Freeza, he was just standing and taking with him.
I would agree if he reverted back to base form or something but Goku was still powered up, but apparently the fact he wasn't paying attention to his surrounding surely screwed him over as he was injured by a pathetically weak blast that would have never scratched him had he been aware of it. Its why Kuririn couldn't harm Vegeta in the slightest and even outright states this until Vegeta lowers his ki down low enough for Kuririn to be capable of injuring him.

I have no problem with off guarded attacks, its the manner that it was done in this movie was just forced and stupid. If it was executed better yeah, that would be nice, but the way its presented in the movie is just jarring and in your face, that's why people have a problem with it. Its an odd inconsistency as Goku never had this problem before, but apparently he's a moron that drastically lowers his power at any given moment while still fighting high power level villains (Golden Freeza).

Again you don't need to revert back to base to just lower your ki. It doesn't work like that. He was not just talking but he was thinking that he had already won. He didn't bother to defend. That's it. You can speculate all you want but the movie shows it that it happen that way.

Goku had this this problem before. He can easily get cocky. BoG shows this when he transforms to SSJ3 to fight Beerus. It comes with getting huge power ups. Just that now, he thinks Freeza is finished. He thinks that he doesn't need guard anymore. Again the laser is a piercing kind of attack which is stronger than blast type or normal type of attack. It isn't that jarring. We were told that Goku got shot through the heart because he lowers his guard. That's it.

People also need to keep in mind that different being have different body type. Doesn't mean that everybody's resistance before learning to control ki is the same.

[ScholarGohan]

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[dbzfan7]

So I asked my brother who has no idea of any of this new stuff just to see how an outsider views these new events. I'll ask my sister later when she's around. I asked him questions about debates and other stuff people have went on about.

Spoiler:

How strong he thinks the villains could get if they trained?
A: I don't think any could get that strong, but I think Kid Boo could be really something (Probably in relation to Oob). None stronger than Goku.

I told him Freeza get's stronger in 4 month's and enough to be on par with the new God Goku.
A: That's really stupid. *He laughs*.

I mentioned Freeza seemingly knew he could do this all along
A: He could have beat Goku back then with like a day of training.

I told him what he thinks of the name Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.
A: *Laughs* That's a stupid name and it's comparable to Super Ultimate Mega Saiyan...or something like that.

I showed him images of the new forms
A: It's golden, too similar to Super Saiyan.
A: They're just blue. *Says nothing else. Not spite or anything, but is not impressed*

I asked about Super Saiyan Gohan and him using it instead of Ultimate.
A: I dunno. I thought Mystic was stronger. Maybe he can't use it anymore.

About Shisami and Piccolo (if Shisami trained too)
A: He's super talented I guess.

About Shisami if he was already uber strong
A: Why would they revive Freeza? They could handle planets without him.

I asked if fighting Freeza army was really that great screen time for the B team.
A: Everyone but Gohan.

1st form Freeza one shots Base Gohan
A: Makes sense. Understandable.

Sorbet takes out Goku in SSGSS with ring while he's off guard *Mentioned other peoples points*
A: Utterly stupid. He's in SSGSS so that shouldn't do anything. Goku couldn't have lowered his power that much.

Vegeta fighting a weakened Freeza *told him about some scenes*
A: Sounds cool. Especially walking through the blasts.

Vegeta beats Freeza to the point he loses his form, but Freeza blows up earth killing most people including Vegeta. Did Vegeta beat Freeza?
A: How did Vegeta die? No that's not a win.

Whis turning back time to fix things
A: That's cool.

The ending with Goku *Described it to him*. Is it good, bad, anti climatic sounding?
A: I'd have to see it, I don't know.

Did Vegeta win now that Goku prevented his death
A: No he woulda died again anyways without Goku.

[Marlowe89]

Uhhhh

Okay?

You really need to give this Freeza thing a rest. It's not unthinkable that someone who was born freakishly strong can progress that much faster than Goku.

[dbzfan7]

Uhhhh

Okay?

You really need to give this Freeza thing a rest. It's not unthinkable that someone who was born freakishly strong can progress that much faster than Goku.

It was an outside view. Not everything matches my opinion. I asked someone who knows about everything to the end of Z, but nothing beyond that. Some stuff he liked that people hate like Whis' time reversal. He was a lot lighter on Shisami against Piccolo than I thought he'd be. He thought even though Vegeta fought a weakened Freeza, that it still sounded awesome. He still thought Golden Freeza was dumb. He thought SSGSS had a dumb name, but was indifferent to the look. He surprisingly thought Piccolo fighting mooks was really good for him. He had no problem with the ending seemingly, which some think is anti-climatic. Though some stuff he couldn't really answer.

I covered more than Freeza with him. Besides that's HIS opinion. Sorry it doesn't match yours. Guess those who don't see it your way about Freeza are simply invalid and are to be ignored.

[Marlowe89]

"Outside" view? Outside of what? The forum? The fanbase? How is decrying something that has a perfectly reasonable explanation behind it not an invalid opinion? It's the definition of invalid.

I don't even know what argument you're trying to put forth but it's clear that you're just blabbering at this point and I find that absolutely hilarious.

[dbzfan7]

"Outside" view? Outside of what? The forum? The fanbase? How is decrying something that has a perfectly reasonable explanation behind it not an invalid opinion? It's the definition of invalid.

I don't even know what argument you're trying to put forth but it's clear that you're just blabbering at this point and I find that absolutely hilarious.

I asked him questions, showed him designs, and wanted to see what he'd think. That's all it was. It's not an argument per-say, just someone else's opinion who isn't a big fan of the series, but was at one point. He answered the questions and that was his opinion. It's not some proof that Freeza's thing was dumb, it's a perspective from someone who isn't a huge fan, but does know dragon ball.

All your showing me is that you don't like someone not accepting what you think is reasonable. You even ignore I asked several questions and not just on that one subject. This isn't an argument, It's just someone else's thoughts who isn't a particular big fan. It's still flawed cause some of my bias can definitely sway some of his opinion. It's just what he thought of some things about the movie.

[Marlowe89]

It's still flawed

Exactly, so why bother posting it at all? WHO CARES?

Your "brother" didn't bring anything new to the discussion so I don't see any point in even bringing it up aside from some desperate attempt to show everyone that someone agrees with an illogical opinion you hold.

[Doctor.]

I care; it's interesting to see what someone who doesn't care about Dragon Ball anymore thinks about what it currently is like. I'm sorry if you can't appreciate it for that.

[dbzfan7]

I care; it's interesting to see what someone who doesn't care about Dragon Ball anymore thinks about what it currently is like. I'm sorry if you can't appreciate it for that.

Exactly. Some things surprised me. A lot of people are not fond of the Whis time travel thing fixing earth, but he thought it was cool. He didn't have that much of a problem with Shisami after he heard of Freeza. He just casually stated his own reasoning and wasn't too bothered. Some things bothered him more than others.

He also seemed to be indifferent to SSGSS while Golden Freeza too him was just too Super Saiyan like. A lot of people like how it resembled Super Saiyan, and is kinda ironic. My brother didn't really like that it resembled Super Saiyan. SSGSS has less changes than Golden Freeza, yet Golden Freeza was worse to him. Perhaps he was used to SSJ so SSGSS didn't bother him much. He kinda just brushed it off as just blue. Not disappointed or thinking it's dumb...just kinda neutral.

[TheGmGoken]

It's still flawed

Exactly, so why bother posting it at all? WHO CARES?

Your "brother" didn't bring anything new to the discussion so I don't see any point in even bringing it up aside from some desperate attempt to show everyone that someone agrees with an illogical opinion you hold.

I care. It's interesting to see casual vs hardcore opinions. Why the quotation marks around "Brother"? Do you expect him to record his bro? Calling someone opinion illogical when's it's pretty logical is disrespectful. Why is it illogical? Can you explain why?

[Marlowe89]

I care; it's interesting to see what someone who doesn't care about Dragon Ball anymore thinks about what it currently is like. I'm sorry if you can't appreciate it for that.

I would probably find it interesting if the opinions themselves were somewhat refreshing. They're mostly the same opinions I've seen parroted throughout the thread and discussed countless times already, so I don't particularly find that any of them contribute to the discussion.

I'm sorry that I really can't appreciate it just for that. I've read several 'casual' opinions that have differed pretty strongly from this one so I'm not sure what's supposed to provide any variance here.

Calling someone opinion illogical when's it's pretty logical is disrespectful. Why is it illogical? Can you explain why?

I already have on several occasions.

Can you explain what makes it logical?

[mAcChaos]

I like hearing casual opinions too. Although in this case I think it's easy to contaminate the person's opinion with leading questions, the kind of way you present the information, etc.

Still you can beat 99% of the people who see this movie will be going in cold without the huge amount of lore knowledge on this site, so they will just enjoy it.

[dbzfan7]

I like hearing casual opinions too. Although in this case I think it's easy to contaminate the person's opinion with leading questions, the kind of way you present the information, etc.

Still you can beat 99% of the people who see this movie will be going in cold without the huge amount of lore knowledge on this site, so they will just enjoy it.

Can't deny the bias going into it. It's not like he really cares about the series that much anymore though so he isn't adamant about specific details. I plan to ask my sis later since she knows the basis of Dragon Ball...but probably not much of anything new. I bet her answers will be different since unlike my brother, she'd care less about something like power consistency or someone getting really strong in a short amount of time. She probably will have more to say about designs.

[TheGmGoken]

I already have on several occasions.

Can you explain what makes it logical?

I've never seen your posts before. Can you restate why you think something is illogical? What exactly is illogical to you? You said his opinion. What opinion.

[Ashelia]

I care; it's interesting to see what someone who doesn't care about Dragon Ball anymore thinks about what it currently is like. I'm sorry if you can't appreciate it for that.

Actually yeah, asking causal/ex-fans has kept be more open minded about the film than I otherwise would have. It why I usually stay away form this thread lol. Just yesterday I told a store clerk about the film because he saw my DB shirt and he got super excited, made me a bit jealous as I could never be that happy. Knowing how others with a passing or previous interest feel helps me keep my dislike in check.