The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[ZombieVito]

- Gohan did retain some of his Ultimate power in the F arc, even in his base form he was already stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, neither of them stand a chance against Final Form Frieza. Frieza could put up a fight against Base Goku who completely outclasses Ultimate Gohan.

I'm not so sure about that. Copy Vegeta (Who is equal to a 3 year post RoSaT + U6 tournament Vegeta) couldn't one shot Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

He most likely wasn't going all out.

Doesn't make sense. He was trying to kill them after all.

I think DanielSSJ has a point in saying there must be a reason why Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks weren't in the arc.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm not so sure about that. Copy Vegeta (Who is equal to a 3 year post RoSaT + U6 tournament Vegeta) couldn't one shot Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

He most likely wasn't going all out.

Doesn't make sense. He was trying to kill them after all.

I think DanielSSJ has a point in saying there must be a reason why Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks weren't in the arc.

Just because you're trying to kill someone doesn't mean you're going to go all out. In the latest arc Zamasu and Black keep toying with the heroes even though they want to kill them.

[ZombieVito]

Just because you're trying to kill someone doesn't mean you're going to go all out. In the latest arc Zamasu and Black keep toying with the heroes even though they want to kill them.

No they weren't. Black and Zamasu specifically say they are using them to get Black stronger.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Just because you're trying to kill someone doesn't mean you're going to go all out. In the latest arc Zamasu and Black keep toying with the heroes even though they want to kill them.

No they weren't. Black and Zamasu specifically say they are using them to get Black stronger.

I'm talking about after that, in the final encounter. When they become Merged Zamasu they completely outclass the heroes and could have killed them, yet they did not do so and due to this Goku became strong enough to overpower them, destabilize their body and destroy their halo.

[dragon boss z]

In that case they would be oneshot material to Goku and Piccolo, the fact that they are able to challenge them puts them at 3rd form Frieza level at minimum.

Goku never goes all out and tries to kill his opponents and Piccolo might not of even been 3rd form Frieza tier yet, so I don't know where you get he can take on 3 3rd form Frieza tiers at the same time.

At the highest they are right below first form Freeza. Probably less because Piccolo probably couldn't one shot first form Frieza.

[TheUltimateNinja]

In that case they would be oneshot material to Goku and Piccolo, the fact that they are able to challenge them puts them at 3rd form Frieza level at minimum.

Goku never goes all out and tries to kill his opponents and Piccolo might not of even been 3rd form Frieza tier yet, so I don't know where you get he can take on 3 3rd form Frieza tiers at the same time.

At the highest they are right below first form Freeza. Probably less because Piccolo probably couldn't one shot first form Frieza.

Piccolo could easily oneshot first form Frieza, his power level in this movie is definitely well over a million. Also, by the time Mecha Frieza came to Earth Piccolo was capable of matching the base Saiyans so he has to be at 2.5-3 million.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

[apex_pretador]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

I don't see a reason to put merged Zamasu above beerus.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

I don't see a reason to put merged Zamasu above beerus.

What about his noncorporeal form? Normal attacks can't beat that.

[apex_pretador]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

I don't see a reason to put merged Zamasu above beerus.

What about his noncorporeal form? Normal attacks can't beat that.

Goku and vegeta heavily implied that if they had energy left to tunr blue, they would take him out, or atleast defend in a much better way against him.
And Beerus can destroy a universe, so goes Zamasu's spirit with it.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I don't see a reason to put merged Zamasu above beerus.

What about his noncorporeal form? Normal attacks can't beat that.

Goku and vegeta heavily implied that if they had energy left to tunr blue, they would take him out, or atleast defend in a much better way against him.
And Beerus can destroy a universe, so goes Zamasu's spirit with it.

I just saw that as them being resolute in the face of a hopeless situation. Also Beerus can wipe out the contents of the universe but not the universe itself (and was implied to kill himself by doing so). Zeno can wipe out the universe entirely and survive it.

[Zamasu55]

Present Zamasu (not immortal) VS DBS SSJ2 Future Trunks (hypothetical Post-SSJG Ritual)

Ssj2 Future Trunks did much better than Zamasu against Ssj2 Goku. He easily wins.

My fights:

- Future Dabura vs Dabura. No spit.
- SSJ3 Gotenks [No time limit] and Ultimate Gohan [Boo arc] vs Final form Freeza [RoF arc; Can't use Golden form].
- All Future Babarians vs Radditz.
- Shisami [RoF arc] vs Zarbon [Monster form].
- Future Trunks [Super form and Genki Sword] and Vegetto [Super Saiyan Blue; No time limit] vs Beerus.

1. They're equal.
2. Frieza one-shots them just in his base form.
3. Raditz of course, lol.
4. Shishami was first stated to be around Zarbon and Dodoria's level, then. in Super, Sorbet states he was the strongest Frieza soldier, Tagoma included. So he should be above Zarbon.
5. Sorry, but my guts tell me Beerus. And Vegito lasts 10 minutes.

- I don't have conclusive evidence, but I suspect that even the newly improved Freeza would have difficulties against both Gohan and Gotenks at their peak without his Golden form. I suspect that there was a reason why Gohan wasn't Ultimate and why Gotenks wasn't present in Resurrection F.

- Gohan did retain some of his Ultimate power in the F arc, even in his base form he was already stronger than Piccolo. Anyway, neither of them stand a chance against Final Form Frieza. Frieza could put up a fight against Base Goku who completely outclasses Ultimate Gohan.

I'm not so sure about that. Copy Vegeta (Who is equal to a 3 year post RoSaT + U6 tournament Vegeta) couldn't one shot Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

Even Mr.Buu wasn't one-shotted by Beerus who's leagues above him.

I'm not so sure about that. Copy Vegeta (Who is equal to a 3 year post RoSaT + U6 tournament Vegeta) couldn't one shot Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

He most likely wasn't going all out.

Doesn't make sense. He was trying to kill them after all.

I think DanielSSJ has a point in saying there must be a reason why Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks weren't in the arc.

Ssj Gohan (ROF) is as strong as Mystic Gohan, so he basically was.
Gotenks didn't even turn Ssj3 against Beerus.

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

The High Priest is the strongest angel of Dragon Ball. Do you really think Merged Zamasu has a chance?

[apex_pretador]

I just saw that as them being resolute in the face of a hopeless situation. Also Beerus can wipe out the contents of the universe but not the universe itself (and was implied to kill himself by doing so). Zeno can wipe out the universe entirely and survive it.

Zeno >> Beerus, I;m not debating that.

Beerus would absolutely kill himself while destroying the universe because it would result in death of the kaioshins. And Zeno wiped out the contents of the universe only, as the space time was stll there. (I'm not saying he can't , he can but he didn't, as seen when goku, trunks and mai come to take him. They can't exist out of space)

[Polyphase Avatron]

I just saw that as them being resolute in the face of a hopeless situation. Also Beerus can wipe out the contents of the universe but not the universe itself (and was implied to kill himself by doing so). Zeno can wipe out the universe entirely and survive it.

Zeno >> Beerus, I;m not debating that.

Beerus would absolutely kill himself while destroying the universe because it would result in death of the kaioshins. And Zeno wiped out the contents of the universe only, as the space time was stll there. (I'm not saying he can't , he can but he didn't, as seen when goku, trunks and mai come to take him. They can't exist out of space)

Well I was thinking that all of that glowing stuff in the background meant that space was destroyed and there was a void, while Beerus would only be able to destroy all of the planets and stars and such, so there would just be black empty space, not that weird void like with what Zeno did. But that's just how I'm interpreting it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

The High Priest is the strongest angel of Dragon Ball. Do you really think Merged Zamasu has a chance?

Merged Zamasu is overhyped and overrated, probably can't even beat Hit without immortality.

[Lord Beerus]

Daishinkan vs. Merged Zamasu

The High Priest is the strongest angel of Dragon Ball. Do you really think Merged Zamasu has a chance?

Merged Zamasu is overhyped and overrated, probably can't even beat Hit without immortality.

I also think without his immortality, Hit could make quick work of him. Hit was able to still stand and fight like before even after a heavy assault from SSJB Goku at ten times its strength. And this was Hit holding back in strength by a good degree. Hit would waste Merged Zamasu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The High Priest is the strongest angel of Dragon Ball. Do you really think Merged Zamasu has a chance?

Merged Zamasu is overhyped and overrated, probably can't even beat Hit without immortality.

I also think without his immortality, Hit could make quick work of him. Hit was able to still stand and fight like before even after a heavy assault from SSJB Goku at ten times its strength. And this was Hit holding back in strength by a good degree. Hit would waste Merged Zamasu.

Also, Hit hadn't even completed his improvement by that time so we still haven't seen the limits of his power, for all we know he could improve even further, especially when he doesn't have the no-kill restriction. And Merged Zamasu was getting jobbed by Goku before he even started using Kaioken, and once he did use the Kaioken Zamasu was down in one hit and had his halo broken.

[Hellspawn28]

DBS SSj2 Future Trunks vs. Bebi (Non Bebi Vegeta)

Bebi shows up on Earth in Trunks timeline after the defeat of Babidi and Dabra, but before Goku Black shows up. Can Trunks win?

[TheUltimateNinja]

DBS SSj2 Future Trunks vs. Bebi (Non Bebi Vegeta)

Bebi shows up on Earth in Trunks timeline after the defeat of Babidi and Dabra, but before Goku Black shows up. Can Trunks win?

Baby gets stomped, on the other hand if he's Baby Vegeta he wins easily, especially in the later stages. I don't think there's anybody who's been possessed by Baby who's close to SSJ2 Trunks in power, they're all much weaker or a good deal stronger.

[dragon boss z]

In that case they would be oneshot material to Goku and Piccolo, the fact that they are able to challenge them puts them at 3rd form Frieza level at minimum.

Goku never goes all out and tries to kill his opponents and Piccolo might not of even been 3rd form Frieza tier yet, so I don't know where you get he can take on 3 3rd form Frieza tiers at the same time.

At the highest they are right below first form Freeza. Probably less because Piccolo probably couldn't one shot first form Frieza.

Piccolo could easily oneshot first form Frieza, his power level in this movie is definitely well over a million. Also, by the time Mecha Frieza came to Earth Piccolo was capable of matching the base Saiyans so he has to be at 2.5-3 million.

When Frieza transformed to his 3rd form he didn't one shot Piccolo, so I doubt someone slightly above second form Frieza tier would one shot 1st form Frieza unless they use their ultimate move.
Also there is no proof Piccolo was as strong as base saiyans then. Maybe as strong as base Vegeta but not Goku.