The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSRose Blackarot (Goku + Black fusion) vs SSBlue Blacku (Black + Goku fusion)

[Anime Kitten]

You've been told hundreds of times, stop multipost, please.

Off-topic, but I really like your username and avatar. Good choice!

[TheUltimateNinja]

You've been told hundreds of times, stop multipost, please.

Off-topic, but I really like your username and avatar. Good choice!

I don't like it because it says SSJBlue instead of SSBlue.

[dragon boss z]

A couple of versus battles:

Golden Freeza vs Future Zamasu (immortal)

Final Form Coola vs Android No. 19

Hatchiyack vs Dabra

1. Not only is Future Zamasu stronger, he's even immortal and that means he can't be hurt. Frieza doesn't last 10 minutes.

2. Cooler smashes him into pieces, unless 19 absorbs his energy of course.

3. Hatchiyak was weaker than Perfect Cell, who's more or less on par with Dabura. The red dude is done for.

I think he is talking about unfused Zamasu. Golden Frieza >>>>> unfused future Zamasu. However Zamasu is immortal and can't be killed.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think he is talking about unfused Zamasu. Golden Frieza >>>>> unfused future Zamasu. However Zamasu is immortal and can't be killed.

Future Zamasu > Golden Frieza, he's able to keep up with the SSBlues when they're not rage boosted, and by this point Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Frieza.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Sandubadear vs. Super Janemba.

2) DanielSSJ vs. The Grand Priest.

[dragon boss z]

I think he is talking about unfused Zamasu. Golden Frieza >>>>> unfused future Zamasu. However Zamasu is immortal and can't be killed.

Future Zamasu > Golden Frieza, he's able to keep up with the SSBlues when they're not rage boosted, and by this point Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Frieza.

The only reason he was able to fight them was because he was immortal. He would of been killed in the first minute if he wasn't. Also we don't know how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got. Frieza was stronger than them so they had to reach Frieza's level and then surpass it. I think they did but not by that much. They might be like 50% stronger than Golden Frieza, but I think they are a couple times stronger than future Zamasu. Logically future Zamasu should still be ssj2 tier since he was ssj2 tier in the present timeline and he really had no way of getting much stronger. Him keeping up with SSB didn't make much sense.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think he is talking about unfused Zamasu. Golden Frieza >>>>> unfused future Zamasu. However Zamasu is immortal and can't be killed.

Future Zamasu > Golden Frieza, he's able to keep up with the SSBlues when they're not rage boosted, and by this point Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Frieza.

The only reason he was able to fight them was because he was immortal. He would of been killed in the first minute if he wasn't. Also we don't know how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got. Frieza was stronger than them so they had to reach Frieza's level and then surpass it. I think they did but not by that much. They might be like 50% stronger than Golden Frieza, but I think they are a couple times stronger than future Zamasu. Logically future Zamasu should still be ssj2 tier since he was ssj2 tier in the present timeline and he really had no way of getting much stronger. Him keeping up with SSB didn't make much sense.

Trunks' power doesn't make much sense either, we just have to deal with their powerups regardless. Plus Black says Zamasu can deal with Super Trunks on his own, and Super Trunks is pretty close to SSBlue Goku and Vegeta.

[dragon boss z]

Future Zamasu > Golden Frieza, he's able to keep up with the SSBlues when they're not rage boosted, and by this point Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Frieza.

The only reason he was able to fight them was because he was immortal. He would of been killed in the first minute if he wasn't. Also we don't know how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got. Frieza was stronger than them so they had to reach Frieza's level and then surpass it. I think they did but not by that much. They might be like 50% stronger than Golden Frieza, but I think they are a couple times stronger than future Zamasu. Logically future Zamasu should still be ssj2 tier since he was ssj2 tier in the present timeline and he really had no way of getting much stronger. Him keeping up with SSB didn't make much sense.

Trunks' power doesn't make much sense either, we just have to deal with their powerups regardless. Plus Black says Zamasu can deal with Super Trunks on his own, and Super Trunks is pretty close to SSBlue Goku and Vegeta.

But Trunks got a power up.
at first it was ssj2 Trunks<=>future Zamasu<<<SSB
but then Trunks got his weird power up form that let him get close to Goku and Vegeta. Zamsu never got a power up and he just stayed relevant because the show wanted him to stay relevant.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The only reason he was able to fight them was because he was immortal. He would of been killed in the first minute if he wasn't. Also we don't know how much stronger Goku and Vegeta got. Frieza was stronger than them so they had to reach Frieza's level and then surpass it. I think they did but not by that much. They might be like 50% stronger than Golden Frieza, but I think they are a couple times stronger than future Zamasu. Logically future Zamasu should still be ssj2 tier since he was ssj2 tier in the present timeline and he really had no way of getting much stronger. Him keeping up with SSB didn't make much sense.

Trunks' power doesn't make much sense either, we just have to deal with their powerups regardless. Plus Black says Zamasu can deal with Super Trunks on his own, and Super Trunks is pretty close to SSBlue Goku and Vegeta.

But Trunks got a power up.
at first it was ssj2 Trunks<=>future Zamasu<<<SSB
but then Trunks got his weird power up form that let him get close to Goku and Vegeta. Zamsu never got a power up and he just stayed relevant because the show wanted him to stay relevant.

Goku said Zamasu has the potential to be as strong as Beerus, the gap between Present and Future Zamasu is around 20 years so he probably became a lot stronger from training in that time. Again, he also has power in addition to immortality as Black says he can handle Trunks on his own which he could not do if he was weak.

[apex_pretador]

These matches would probably last the whole damn page


Pre-25th WMAT Training SSJ Gohan (with 25th WMAT Piccolo's clothes and shoulder weights on) VS Post-Cell Games USSJ Future Trunks (minutes before boarding his Time Machine to go back)
[STRICTLY AN ARM WRESTLING MATCH, so it's all just strength based]

Golden Frieza VS Auta Magetta (both inside that cube barrier in the U6-U7 Tournament, no ring-outs and kills allowed though)
[Remember, Frieza won't be affected by all the steam and heat. He has't mastered his Golden form though. Vegeta was weakened by the steam/heat]

DBS Piccolo VS Botamo (U6-U7 Tournament Rules)

Present Zamasu (not immortal) VS DBS SSJ2 Future Trunks with Z sword (full power, sparring against Goku)

SSJ Cabba VS Final Form Frieza (DBS, resurrected)

Monaka VS Buu Saga Chiaotzu (no paralysis, no ki attacks or flying)

SSJ3 Goku (no solar flare or IT) VS Pre-ROSAT Base Gotenks with Kaiokenx10 (no playing around, no strain from Kaioken, no fusion time limit)

Gohan wins. Size advantage (of smaller and thinner hands) and heavy stamina advantage would overcome the strength disadvantage.

Freeza would one'shot magetta so hard that he flies through the barrier and through the force-field as well, to another planet

Piccolo by ring-out

Zamasu rather handily. Goku needed more effort against him

If freeza uses his full power, then he wins handily. If he is restricted to use power he used against base goku, Cabba wins, and base cabba would be a better fight.

Chiaotzu easily

SSRose Blackarot (Goku + Black fusion) vs SSBlue Blacku (Black + Goku fusion)

How does that work?

[The Monkey King]

Hypothetical Buu saga SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buu saga Ultimate Gohan

I'd say this is pretty close as the Buu saga makes it clear that Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues more powerful than their sons therefore their Gogeta fusion should be stronger than Gotenks but not by too much putting him around U.Gohan level imo.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Whis vs. Beerus (DBS versions).

Before you say Whis wins, consider the following:

- in the movies, Whis was said to be stronger, and was given a 15 to Beerus' 10, but in Super, no such thing was stated. The 6/10/15 scale is already dubious in its application to Super because of the whole Kaio-Ken thing
- When Bulma asked Whis if he was stronger than Beerus, he said "I wonder", not giving a definitive answer
- When Mr. Satan asked Whis to save them and stop Beerus, Whis said he couldn't stop Beerus' attack

Basically in Super, there is no real evidence Whis is stronger than Beerus other than being his trainer, which isn't proof. So what do you think?

[DanielSSJ]

Hypothetical Buu saga SSJ3 Gogeta vs Buu saga Ultimate Gohan

I'd say this is pretty close as the Buu saga makes it clear that Goku and Vegeta aren't leagues more powerful than their sons therefore their Gogeta fusion should be stronger than Gotenks but not by too much putting him around U.Gohan level imo.

To be honest, I think people tend to overestimate Goten and Trunks a bit. There definitely is evidence to them being close to their dads and Gohan, such as Goten being a worthwhile sparring partner for Gohan and Trunks nailing Vegeta in the face that one time, but there's also evidence of them not being all that powerful.
For example, the Mighty Mask vs No. 18 fight seems to imply that, while the kids are stronger than No. 18, they're not terribly far ahead of her, given that the restrictive costume was enough to give No. 18 the advantage in hand-to-hand.

Trunks: “Either way, we’re at a disadvantage in this getup, so we’ve got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!”

Also, after Gotenks defused inside of Majin Boo, Piccolo's traits were coming out the strongest over the kids'.

Goku: “Hahha—ah! Piccolo’s coming out strong now! Looks like the Fused squirts have returned to normal! You ran out of time! Tooo—oo bad! Your power’s fallen a whole lot. Cheh…I’m a little disappointed. This way, Gohan will be able to beat you even on his own…”

I'd also go ahead and say that I don't think that Fusion has a set power boost, and that the boos is based on plenty of other factors other than raw battle power. Going off that, the elder Kaioshin seems to imply that the reason why Vegetto ended up so OP was more because Goku and Vegeta make a surprisingly potent combination, rather than it just being the Potara being that good.

Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.”

With all this in mind, I personally think that Gogeta is probably only a few notches below Vegetto, and that his regular ol' Super Saiyan form is roughly on par with Evil Boo's absorption forms. Super Saiyan 3 is way overkill for Ultimate Gohan.

Whis vs. Beerus (DBS versions).

Before you say Whis wins, consider the following:

- in the movies, Whis was said to be stronger, and was given a 15 to Beerus' 10, but in Super, no such thing was stated. The 6/10/15 scale is already dubious in its application to Super because of the whole Kaio-Ken thing
- When Bulma asked Whis if he was stronger than Beerus, he said "I wonder", not giving a definitive answer
- When Mr. Satan asked Whis to save them and stop Beerus, Whis said he couldn't stop Beerus' attack

Basically in Super, there is no real evidence Whis is stronger than Beerus other than being his trainer, which isn't proof. So what do you think?

A lot of what you mentioned could be chalked up to the neutrality of the Angels. Until we're told otherwise, I'm assuming that Beerus is still weaker than Whis.

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSRose Blackarot (Goku + Black fusion) vs SSBlue Blacku (Black + Goku fusion)

How does that work?

Blackarot has Black as the dominant personality and Blacku has Goku as the dominant personality.

[apex_pretador]

SSRose Blackarot (Goku + Black fusion) vs SSBlue Blacku (Black + Goku fusion)

How does that work?

Blackarot has Black as the dominant personality and Blacku has Goku as the dominant personality.

Still don't get it.
Base black is stronger than base goku. So, either black has to suppress himself to very low level, or they fuse in Blue-Rose form, which would create a hybrid of both colors.

[TheUltimateNinja]

How does that work?

Blackarot has Black as the dominant personality and Blacku has Goku as the dominant personality.

Still don't get it.
Base black is stronger than base goku. So, either black has to suppress himself to very low level, or they fuse in Blue-Rose form, which would create a hybrid of both colors.

They fuse while at max, then power down to base and go into their respective forms.

[apex_pretador]

Blackarot has Black as the dominant personality and Blacku has Goku as the dominant personality.

Still don't get it.
Base black is stronger than base goku. So, either black has to suppress himself to very low level, or they fuse in Blue-Rose form, which would create a hybrid of both colors.

They fuse while at max, then power down to base and go into their respective forms.

But base goku and base black can't fuse, unless you mean potara.


Anyways if it is a battle of forms, then blue takes this due to being a far superior form.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Still don't get it.
Base black is stronger than base goku. So, either black has to suppress himself to very low level, or they fuse in Blue-Rose form, which would create a hybrid of both colors.

They fuse while at max, then power down to base and go into their respective forms.

But base goku and base black can't fuse, unless you mean potara.


Anyways if it is a battle of forms, then blue takes this due to being a far superior form.

I don't know, I think Black should have the advantage.

[Anime Kitten]

I don't like it because it says SSJBlue instead of SSBlue.

I'm not exactly sure how that's relevant to... anything. I prefer SSJ for everything except Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, for which I use SSGSS (as opposed to SSJGSSJ).

But that's off-topic.