"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

It doesn't matter if he can't die, he can still be beat down to the point in which he can't fight anymore. If Pilaf were immortal, Goku would still defeat him.


I personally think the power gap is great enough now that once they fuse, Zamasu isn't going to stand a chance, but I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Vegeta achieved something really special in the room of spirit and time, and it showed in the last episode when Black couldn't do anything to him, even with his super zenkai ability.

The reason Black's super zenkai was not working is no mystery, he's not immortal and nor dose he have regeneration. So while he will keep getting stronger his body is still being hurt and dose not magically recover. Over time his injures will let him down and when fighting someone who has really got an edge over you are in trouble.

Your right immortality means nothing without strength.

But as soon as you combine the too then you are effectively unbeatable in battle. His body will get stronger from the zenkai and the damage is almost instantaneously healed. Give Pilaf or anyone this combination and they could beat literally anyone!

You punch them, they heal and get stronger. Kick them, they heal and get stronger. Break their ribbs, they heal and get stronger. Breack their neck, they heal and get stronger. Blast a hole in them, they heal and get stronger. Blow their head off, they heal and get stronger. Chop them into pieces and blow them up, they reform, they heal and get stronger. That keeps going on and on, and the harder you hit the bigger the power boost they get. Then before you know it their matching you in power, then surpassing you. Everything you do is just fuel for the fire that is their ever growing power until they finally kill you.

Zamasu can only get a zenkai boost if he takes damage, but they can avoid that by immobilizing him with an ability like Gotenks' Galactic Donut, or Kaoshin's telekinesis. If it were Pilaf, they could just throw him in prison, his zenkai and immortality wouldn't mean anything.

As I've already said Pilaf is just ans example for the power growth. Leave the example be.

Yes he can hold him with an galactic donut to immobilize him, whats stopping him from blasting you with beams from his eyes? Whats stopping him from forcing the donut off with his ki since you can't focus on that and do the mafuba? Whats stopping him from doing teleportation? Hell whats stopping him from cutting himself in half to escape? Whats stopping him from using telekinesis?

A) Nether Goku not Vegeta can pull of the level of that kined telekinetic power and B) the difference in power from Kaioshin to Zamasu is so vast that it would likely work as well as Chiaotzu's did on Nappa.

[Cetra]

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You think Pilaf could defeat them with this combo? They could still knock him out, then seal him away before he even gets stronger.

On that note how would you knock him out or beat him until he cant fight back?

His body is literally undoing all the damage you do as soon as it done. The second you stop attacking his body is fully healed and ready to keep going.

Punch in the head, his brains healing the damage as soon as you've done it. Break every bone in his body and each will heal the instant the damage is done. Blow him up and his body will just reform.

How the heck are you going to accomplish this impossibility?

His body is not undoing the damage exactly as soon as it is done. Otherwise he would not be knocked back at all. And being knocked out is a whole different thing than getting wounded. We do not know if Zamas is protected from his brain deactivating his very self after a hit, resulting in him losing consciousness.

[Lord Frieza]

You think Pilaf could defeat them with this combo? They could still knock him out, then seal him away before he even gets stronger.

On that note how would you knock him out or beat him until he cant fight back?

His body is literally undoing all the damage you do as soon as it done. The second you stop attacking his body is fully healed and ready to keep going.

Punch in the head, his brains healing the damage as soon as you've done it. Break every bone in his body and each will heal the instant the damage is done. Blow him up and his body will just reform.

How the heck are you going to accomplish this impossibility?

His body is not undoing the damage exactly as soon as it is done. Otherwise he would not be knocked back at all. And being knocked out is a whole different thing than getting wounded. We do not know if Zamas is protected from his brain deactivating his very self after a hit, resulting in him losing consciousness.

Actually we do, future Zamasu took a kamehameha head on along with Trunks and Goku and showed no visible signs of damage from the attack. Those two were knocked out by it but Zamasu is standing there as if nothing had happend.

Ergo his body heals instantaneously.

[Cetra]

On that note how would you knock him out or beat him until he cant fight back?

His body is literally undoing all the damage you do as soon as it done. The second you stop attacking his body is fully healed and ready to keep going.

Punch in the head, his brains healing the damage as soon as you've done it. Break every bone in his body and each will heal the instant the damage is done. Blow him up and his body will just reform.

How the heck are you going to accomplish this impossibility?

His body is not undoing the damage exactly as soon as it is done. Otherwise he would not be knocked back at all. And being knocked out is a whole different thing than getting wounded. We do not know if Zamas is protected from his brain deactivating his very self after a hit, resulting in him losing consciousness.

Actually we do, future Zamasu took a kamehameha head on along with Trunks and Goku and showed no visible signs of damage from the attack. Those two were knocked out by the attack but Zamasu is standing there as if nothing had happend.

You can't take one move and ignore the others where he was blown back several times. He clearly is affected in one way or the other. He just cannot die from it.

[UpFromTheSkies]

The reason Black's super zenkai was not working is no mystery, he's not immortal and nor dose he have regeneration. So while he will keep getting stronger his body is still being hurt and dose not magically recover. Over time his injures will let him down and when fighting someone who has really got an edge over you are in trouble.

Your right immortality means nothing without strength.

But as soon as you combine the too then you are effectively unbeatable in battle. His body will get stronger from the zenkai and the damage is almost instantaneously healed. Give Pilaf or anyone this combination and they could beat literally anyone!

You punch them, they heal and get stronger. Kick them, they heal and get stronger. Break their ribbs, they heal and get stronger. Breack their neck, they heal and get stronger. Blast a hole in them, they heal and get stronger. Blow their head off, they heal and get stronger. Chop them into pieces and blow them up, they reform, they heal and get stronger. That keeps going on and on, and the harder you hit the bigger the power boost they get. Then before you know it their matching you in power, then surpassing you. Everything you do is just fuel for the fire that is their ever growing power until they finally kill you.

Zamasu can only get a zenkai boost if he takes damage, but they can avoid that by immobilizing him with an ability like Gotenks' Galactic Donut, or Kaoshin's telekinesis. If it were Pilaf, they could just throw him in prison, his zenkai and immortality wouldn't mean anything.

As I've already said Pilaf is just ans example for the power growth. Leave the example be.

Yes he can hold him with an galactic donut to immobilize him, whats stopping him from blasting you with beams from his eyes? Whats stopping him from forcing the donut off with his ki since you can't focus on that and do the mafuba? Whats stopping him from doing teleportation? Hell whats stopping him from cutting himself in half to escape? Whats stopping him from using telekinesis?

A) Nether Goku not Vegeta can pull of the level of that kined telekinetic power and B) the difference in power from Kaioshin to Zamasu is so vast that it would likely work as well as Chiaotzu's did on Nappa.

Well I'm sure they'll think of something. If his zenkai is really as strong as you think, it'll have to be some form of immobilizing ability, unless you think Zeno will be the one to save the day, which is possible but it would be boring and I doubt it will happen like that.

[Lord Frieza]

His body is not undoing the damage exactly as soon as it is done. Otherwise he would not be knocked back at all. And being knocked out is a whole different thing than getting wounded. We do not know if Zamas is protected from his brain deactivating his very self after a hit, resulting in him losing consciousness.

Actually we do, future Zamasu took a kamehameha head on along with Trunks and Goku and showed no visible signs of damage from the attack. Those two were knocked out by the attack but Zamasu is standing there as if nothing had happend.

You can't take one move and ignore the others where he was blown back several times. He clearly is affected in one way or the other. He just cannot die from it.

The blow back or effect means nothing if his body is already healing the damage. He had his head blown apart and did no fall to the ground.

[Lord Frieza]

Zamasu can only get a zenkai boost if he takes damage, but they can avoid that by immobilizing him with an ability like Gotenks' Galactic Donut, or Kaoshin's telekinesis. If it were Pilaf, they could just throw him in prison, his zenkai and immortality wouldn't mean anything.

As I've already said Pilaf is just ans example for the power growth. Leave the example be.

Yes he can hold him with an galactic donut to immobilize him, whats stopping him from blasting you with beams from his eyes? Whats stopping him from forcing the donut off with his ki since you can't focus on that and do the mafuba? Whats stopping him from doing teleportation? Hell whats stopping him from cutting himself in half to escape? Whats stopping him from using telekinesis?

A) Nether Goku not Vegeta can pull of the level of that kined telekinetic power and B) the difference in power from Kaioshin to Zamasu is so vast that it would likely work as well as Chiaotzu's did on Nappa.

Well I'm sure they'll think of something. If his zenkai is really as strong as you think, it'll have to be some form of immobilizing ability, unless you think Zeno will be the one to save the day, which is possible but it would be boring and I doubt it will happen like that.

They will, they always do. But the only point I'm trying to make is that the longer the fight goes on the smaller their window of opportunity will be, if they do it while they still have the power advantage they are morel likely to succeed. But Zamasu is not just going to stand there and let them do it and the longer the fight goes on the more the odds will be in his favor.

The really big problem for our heroes is that they have lost the element of surprise, Zamasu knows what the Mafuba is now and he's not going to just stand in place and let them use it. Infact the simplest way for him to get out of it is just to create some of those clones befor hand and have then just blow up the pot.

[Lord Frieza]

I just though of the easiest way for the mafuba to work.

If I'm right and he can't be knocked out and his clones dissipate when he looses concentration, just use the Taiyōken.

It will simultaneously blind and detract him, giving Vegito just enough time to put him away.

You guys had the right idea but the wrong way of going about it.

[Cetra]

As long as Vegetto or Gogeta and the Mafuuba make their comeback, I am happy.

[Lord Frieza]

As long as Vegetto or Gogeta and the Mafuuba make their comeback, I am happy.

Me to, the last thing I want is Zeno to turn up and make the whole saga pointless.

[Boo Machine]

I find it amusing that a common concern going around right now is Zeno showing up. He truly is a being to be feared.

But if he does show up then I hope it's after everything is said and done.

[Cetra]

I doubt Zenou is gonna show up. That would be like Beerus showing up during the final battle against Boo or something.

[Lord Frieza]

I find it amusing that a common concern going around right now is Zeno showing up. He truly is a being to be feared.

But if he does show up then I hope it's after everything is said and done.

The reason I fear it personally is that it will take all the bite out of this saga, like how Golden Frieza had not learned his lesson and mastered his new form.

[Cetra]

I think Freeza's demise came from a different idea so I would not worry about it too much.

[HeroR]

I doubt Zenou is gonna show up. That would be like Beerus showing up during the final battle against Boo or something.

Not really since Goku has a button that can summon Zen-O. So it has foreshadowing.

[Cetra]

I know what Goku has. That does not mean he has to use it for the next villain.

[UpFromTheSkies]

All they really need to do is find a way to separate the time rings from Zamasu and it's game over. Black said the ring is what protected him from being destroyed by Beerus, so if they take that away he'll disappear, and Zamasu won't stand a chance by himself.

[Ki Breaker]

I think I am the only one here who doesn't like episodes with pan..
Goku training her is fine and all.. but i am very scared she will become a mirror of her gt self.. especially since toie will write her dialogue and not toriyama..

I would much rather have pan as a side character like krillin.. let uub fill in the role of gokus student instead

The writers for Super didn't write for GT so that shouldn't be anything to worry about. Besides, her dialogue would be based off of what kind of character Toriyama tells them she is, just like all the Super original characters who we've seen act the same between the anime and manga.
If Pan continues off of how she was portrayed at the end of Z and became a main cast member I don't think she'd end up anything like she did in Z, she'd probably be like a smarter kid Goku.

After Goku goes off to train Uub I imagine someone else would pick up Pan's training and honestly I would love it if that person was Vegeta. Imagine Uub with an orange Gi and Pan with armor based on Vegeta's, how awesome would that be?

That surprisingly sounds good , alright I changed my mind..
If she continues to be shown as her eoz self I am very much interested

[GodVegetto91]

Lord Frieza is 100% right in anything he says. This is a battle you can't win. Vegetto, Whis even the Grand Priest, it doesn't matter. You need to seal him away or call Zeno. those are the only 2 options available.

[DragonHermit]

This is a battle you can't win. Vegetto, Whis even the Grand Priest, it doesn't matter. You need to seal him away or call Zeno. those are the only 2 options available.

Whatchu' say?



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