DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[InfernalVegito]

FINALLY after all those years playable GT characters in absolutely amazing HD animation. Super Yixinglong and SSJ4 Gogeta look fantastic.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If the roster is just what we were shown in the video, with no extra "pages", I think we are looking at a fairly massive cut... Some of the characters don't have their base forms on the selection screen, Gotenks and Cell Arc Gohan don't show their base forms, Chaozu is missing despite the rest of the Z Senshi being there, and there doesn't really seem to be room for kid Goten or Trunks...

[MasterVampire]

That new animation looks great

[InfernalVegito]

If the roster is just what we were shown in the video, with no extra "pages", I think we are looking at a fairly massive cut... Some of the characters don't have their base forms on the selection screen, Gotenks and Cell Arc Gohan don't show their base forms, Chaozu is missing despite the rest of the Z Senshi being there, and there doesn't really seem to be room for kid Goten or Trunks...

That can't be the final roster then.

[DNA]

It's obviously not the final roster, that would be pathetic. It doesn't even have space for GT characters.

I like how Hero and Berserker are fully displayed like normal characters. Too bad Elite got the shaft.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That can't be the final roster then.

It's obviously not the final roster, that would be pathetic. It doesn't even have space for GT characters.

Why not? I can see them using the big additions like Create a Character, Boss Battles, and the roaming Story/Hero Modes for them to attempt to justify the huge cuts...not that I like the idea.

?????'s are where there are blank spots in the character selection pages. I will fill them in with characters that have been revealed and/or make the most sense to go there...

Page 1
Son Goku
Son Gohan (Kid)
Son Gohan (Preteen, SS and above)
????? - Son Gohan (Teen)
Piccolo
Vegeta
Kuririn
Yamcha
Tenshinhan
????? - Future Trunks

Page 2
Gotenks (SS and above)
????? - Vegetto
Gogeta
????? - Bardock?
????? - Majin Vegeta?
Raditz
Saibaiman
Nappa
????? - Vegeta (Prince)
Zarbon

Page 3
Dodoria
Cui
Ginyu
Reacoom
Butta
Jheese
Freeza
16
17
18

Page 4
19
20
Cell
Cell Jr.
????? - "LSS" Broli?
Fat Buu
????? - Super Buu?
????? - Kid Buu?
????? -SS4 Goku?
????? - SS4 Vegeta?

Page 5
????? - SS4 Gogeta?
????? - Bebi Vegeta?
????? - Super 17?
????? - Yi Xing Long?

[InfernalVegito]

There will most certainly be more than 5 pages of characters. They just can't use the new additions like CC and Hero mode to justify the massive loss of characters compared to the RB series. They should have at least figured out by now that always taking back characters is frustrating to the max.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There will most certainly be more than 5 pages of characters. They just can't use the new additions like CC and Hero mode to justify the massive loss of characters compared to the RB series. They should have at least figured out by now that always taking back characters is frustrating to the max.

I agree with you, it is really frustraiting, but that doesn't mean they won't do it. I will certainly keep up hope, but I have to admit it is looking grim. Some of the missing base forms were seen in the opening, like Cell Arc Gohan in base, so maybe it needs to be unlocked or something since he never fights in it, but the animation didn't feature any of the missing characters... Chaozu wasn't in, Goten and kid Trunks weren't in, even Gurd wasn't beaten up with the rest of the Ginyu Tokusentai... I mean, he wasn't in the animation, and everyone else from Freeza's team was unlocked on the respective character pages (Zarbon, Dodoria, Kui, Jheese, Butta, Reacoom, Ginyu and then Freeza himself) with no room for the green midget... It isn't concrete proof, but I think it should be taken as a solid hint.

Also, I'd like to note that some characters, like Goku, Tenshinhan and Vegeta, are weird in the opening...they change between clothes from different arcs even during different shots of the same scene.

[JulieYBM]

By all that is good in this world...I cannot grasp the words.

Also, d-d-d-d-did I see some animation from Nakatsuru in there?! O.o

[InfernalVegito]

Last year in the RB2 opening there was no Kid Boo yet he was playable in the demo. Also yea some shots are weird, like SSJ3 Goku seeing Super Yixinglong and going after him and then SSJ4 Gogeta comes out of nowhere as if Goku simply transformed into him. I expected SSJ4 Goku like in Budokai 3's opening at the end.

Nonetheless a good opening.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Last year in the RB2 opening there was no Kid Boo yet he was playable in the demo.

Two totally different things. RB2's animation focused on 9 specific characters in specific forms, 5 new villains and 4 typical heroes. This games opening animation seems to try to give you a feel of everyone in the game. They bounce all over the place and include a lot of characters, similar to the Budokai openings. I'm not saying that just because they weren't featured in the opening, they won't be in the game (we know Janenba has a boss battle, but was nowhere to be seen), but couple this with the fact that we saw a relatively small roster selection in what could very well be the finished product of the game (the main menu contained everything from Versus, to Hero Mode, to the Settings...which even contained the video library and character encyclopedia) like we saw with Treevax/Nostal last year before release, and I think it becomes a bit more solid as evidence.

We'll probably find out when Nostal goes to the Namdai/Spike event again this year on the 7th of next month I believe, so not to much longer for confirmation.

[JulieYBM]

Hopefully this goes through fine, but I cut the opening out of the video, muted the audio, and slapped in Cha La Head Cha La.

[InfernalVegito]

Well it's just a demo in the end, so there will surely be more characters imo.

[Li'l Lemmy]

...and there doesn't really seem to be room for kid Goten or Trunks...

Wanna see me flip my shit? Confirm that they're missing.


~Da Lemmy

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Oh wow. This game's new opening just totally exceeded my expectation. I knew it would have 2D animation opening from the scan, but I never expected this to be this awesome. Everything looks great. It's good to see Hildegarn, Yi Xing Long and SSJ4 Gogeta again. Quite frankly, it's about time they put 2D animation opening for the game. We haven't had like this since Budokai 3. The 3D intros were never my thing.

Speaking of Budokai's opening, I really love the second one. Everything looks great. From scenario to another, the characters' animation and the last scene where it folds out really well. Not to mention they have various facial expressions, not just same expression all the time, like staying mad or frown. It's slightly better than Budokai 3, but I've got to say the Ultimate Tenkaich's intro are even more impressive, although I prefer Budokai 2's landscape scenarios better. Both are about even to me.

Also, d-d-d-d-did I see some animation from Nakatsuru in there?! O.o

Huh? Where? How can you even tell the difference? I haven't seen his work since the end of GT.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I know reps can lie, that was proven last game with Slug, but Tony has been pretty on the ball with the information he's given us...

That said, apparently we have bad news. According to him, the only SS4 in the game is Gogeta:


"The SSJ4 level is available, but only for Gogeta."

[InfernalVegito]

If that is true, the game is dead for me.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

If that is true, the game is dead for me.

I feel about the same. The gameplay isn't that bad a change to me anymore, and Create-A-Character is nice for those who wanted it (not me lol), but my biggest draw was going to be playing as SS4 Goku in HD. The possible giant roster cut in addition not being able to play as the one GT Character I swore was a shoe-in, its made me not really care about the game anymore. Its cool that Gogeta is getting the form I guess, but that's not who I wanted to have it. lol

The new animation would still be nice to have, but since that would really be the last saving grace for the game if the above is true, then I'd just wait until the game is in the bargain bin to get it...

[Li'l Lemmy]

IF that is true-- and I do stress the word "if"-- then that is just unbelievably stupid, IMO. Why bother throwing in SSj4 Gogeta to begin with, then?

The new opening certainly lends itself to this new bit of information being true, considering that we see only SSj3 Goku before Gogeta shows up.


~Da Lemmy

[InfernalVegito]

My reason to buy the game no matter what in the first place was to be able to have at least ALL GT characters from BT3 in the game playable in HD for the first fucking time ever. The gameplay was a first disappoinement but I don't care about it anymore and simply want to play with GT characters in HD no matter how retarded some cutscenes are executed.

But this bit of information now has tossed my given hopes out of the window and I won't buy it IF that is really true. GT is a selling point for me this time because GT in HD has not existed yet and Gogeta as the only playable SSJ4? Wow whoever came up with that idea is an idiot..

There is nothing more to say.