Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Lord Beerus]

Besides Bulma knowing about Freeza and vice-versa and Hell getting retconned, which ones?

- 4 Months of training to reach God-level
- God-level can be reached with training, instead of Magical means (like the Ritual)
- Goku personality. He was cocky before but never so cocky. That was Vegeta shtick.
- Freeza remembering Bulma (HUGE PLOTHOLE)
- Shenron reviving Freeza in pieces. (guess then Namek Krillin should have been revived as dust then lol)
- Vegeta being a pussy against Freeza until he was weakened by Goku. Even tho Vegeta never was scared of opponents and instead kept charging head in even when he was clearly outmatched.
- Gohan and Piccolo needing more than 3 seconds to obliterate the 1000 soldiers.
- The stupid ring of Sorbet.
- Gohan losing SSJ2 (WTF) and Ultimate in such a short time from BOG. Might as well kill him if you're going to treat the character like shit, Toriyama.

And this is not mentioning the recolor fest.

I can't believe his editor was impressed with this shit. This is just a fanfiction made movie
If this is the way the writing is gonna be from now on, my excitement for Dragon Ball Super will be nonexistant.

Might as well watch GT, it might have less plotholes even lmao.

The only major plothole/asspull/inconsistency that you actually listed was Freeza knowing Bulma. And even then, it doesn't change the plot at all, it was done for just comedy. So while it's a major asspull, it's harmless in the grand scheme of things.

[Doctor.]

Bulma knowing about Freeza (and vice-versa) is just as big of a problem as Roshi saying Chi-Chi could use moves from his school when he doesn't actually teach any moves. It's a plot hole if you want to call it one, but a very minor one that doesn't affect the plot in any way.

And do people keep ignoring me when I say Porunga restored Kuririn's body out of generosity? Seriously, having a body to be resurrected is a rule. Blame all the other times in the manga where people who lost their bodies were resurrected as plot holes.

[dbzfan7]

Bulma knowing about Freeza (and vice-versa) is just as big of a problem as Roshi saying Chi-Chi could use moves from his school when he doesn't actually teach any moves. It's a plot hole if you want to call it one, but a very minor one that doesn't affect the plot in any way.

And do people keep ignoring me when I say Porunga restored Kuririn's body out of generosity? Seriously, having a body to be resurrected is a rule. Blame all the other times in the manga where people who lost their bodies were resurrected as plot holes.

Yeah I don't think those are that horrible, but they are plot holes.

Only head scratchers I can think of is Shenlong reviving a bunch of people that Cell ate or killed (Only clothes remained and others were vaporized). Shenlong reviving people in the Boo arc as some were probably vaporized by Vegeta. Then Porunga reviving everyone on earth when they all definitely don't have bodies. I dunno maybe Shenlong wanted to be a jerk.

[Flame Dragon]

Maybe they are not plot holes, but they might as well are. They're just the result of shitty writing.
Also, i count the 4 months as a plothole. Because it makes no sense.

Freeza got a 1000x powerboost in 4 months of training. And he has no ROSAT. Maybe he has some gravity machine but it still is a big stretch.
Also reaching God level by training defeats the whole purpose of the last movie.

Last movie lesson was "No matter what you do, someone or something stronger than you exists, and there's nothing you can do about it.".
Goku for the first time in his life had reached his limit, and to break it, he had to change power source completely, by absorbing the pure hearted power of the Gods to transform his Ki into Godly Ki.

He had to break the limits by renouncing the limitations that apply to normal people, mortals.

Meanwhile Freeza did it by doing a few pushups for 4 months.
Then wtf is the point of SSJ God or God Ki in general if everyone can do it by just training.

And don't give me the usual "Freeza is a prodigy". It completely shits on the Namek Arc, and BOG.

Glad to see Toriyama can't keep his consistency even between ONE movie.
Meh.

[GoldLiger]

Where is the Volume F translations?

[VegettoEX]

Where is the Volume F translations?

Please stop asking for complete translations of things. When posts are deleted, it's for a reason. They're not magically disappearing.

Maybe they are not plot holes, but they might as well are. They're just the result of shitty writing.
Also, i count the 4 months as a plothole. Because it makes no sense.

But that's not a plothole. You not liking something isn't a plothole.

Toriyama has explicitly... well, more or less... stated in "Volume F" that he doesn't have to stick with consistency if he doesn't want to, because he's the author.

If you want more than that? Expect more than that? Be disappointed. Continue to be disappointed. Now, in the past, and forever.

This is Dragon Ball.

[Doctor.]

Maybe they are not plot holes, but they might as well are. They're just the result of shitty writing.

Sure, you call them that, I agree with most of your complaints as well, but a plot hole is a serious problem in story-telling whilst bad writing can be excusable at times.

Also, i count the 4 months as a plothole. Because it makes no sense.

Making no sense doesn't mean it's a plot hole; if it contradicts previously established information, then it's a plot hole.

Last movie lesson was "No matter what you do, someone or something stronger than you exists, and there's nothing you can do about it.".

Right, and Freeza trained, drew out ALL of his latent potential and still managed to be weaker than 4 people. Even if he managed to control his power in his Golden Form, he'd still be weaker than Beerus or Whis. So, I'm not exactly sure how it contradicts anything.

Goku for the first time in his life had reached his limit, and to break it, he had to change power source completely, by absorbing the pure hearted power of the Gods to transform his Ki into Godly Ki.

He had reached his limit a long time ago and kept breaking it and establishing new limits with each power-up and transformation he got. That's what Freeza did with this transformation.

Then wtf is the point of SSJ God or God Ki in general if everyone can do it by just training.

Not everyone can. Goku couldn't; Freeza can, that's it.

It completely shits on the Namek Arc, and BOG.

How...?

[Lord Beerus]

Also, i count the 4 months as a plothole. Because it makes no sense.

In a world of talking animals, space pirates that turn into giant apes or grow blond hair, dinosaurs living in mountain regions, advanced technology being contained in capsules, giant dragons that grant wishes and human beings defying the laws of physics, and a freakishly strong alien becoming stronger in four months is the point where you lose your suspension of disbelief and Dragon Ball makes no sense to some people?

[SansrivaaL]

Where did the whole Freeza knows Bulma come from? as far as I remember in the movie Bulma went to the battle field with Jaco, she shouted "Freeza" since he looked like the drawing Jaco made (even tho his drawing was baby~ish) then Freeza said "oh you know me? have we met on Namek before?" or somethin like that, I dont remember Freeza saying he knew who Bulma was (I could be wrong tho)

[Doctor.]

VegettoEX, yesterday you said the staff was updating the summary; is everything alright now?

[VegettoEX]

VegettoEX, yesterday you said the staff was updating the summary; is everything alright now?

Yes. Nothing significant. Mostly punctuation errors.

[Cetra]

I am still curious about how the Bulma one is a plothole when we don't know how much Freeza got to know in those four months. He might have seen a picture of her. Sorbet at least mentions her in the movie before they are searching for the Dragon Balls. They could easily tell Freeza about her. The summary also did not say he remembers her from Namek.

Toriyama has explicitly... well, more or less... stated in "Volume F" that he doesn't have to stick with consistency if he doesn't want to, because he's the author.

He said that? Hilarious. Now people might ultimately face the power of law. Toei could do that as much as they are allowed. Inconsistency is unfortunate but means nothing for the existence in the end, no matter if it makes sense or not. Not always that great but that is how it is.

[Marco Polo]

Where did the whole Freeza knows Bulma come from? as far as I remember in the movie Bulma went to the battle field with Jaco, she shouted "Freeza" since he looked like the drawing Jaco made (even tho his drawing was baby~ish) then Freeza said "oh you know me? have we met on Namek before?" or somethin like that, I dont remember Freeza saying he knew who Bulma was (I could be wrong tho)

It comes from the summary. Could be inacurrate I guess, I don't know I haven't seen the movie.

Just then, a spaceship arrives and Bulma hops out. She wastes no time in unloading a verbal barrage on Freeza, telling him he doesn’t know when to give up. Freeza remembers her, but is curious where her friend Son Goku is.

[dbzfan7]

Where did the whole Freeza knows Bulma come from? as far as I remember in the movie Bulma went to the battle field with Jaco, she shouted "Freeza" since he looked like the drawing Jaco made (even tho his drawing was baby~ish) then Freeza said "oh you know me? have we met on Namek before?" or somethin like that, I dont remember Freeza saying he knew who Bulma was (I could be wrong tho)

It comes from the summary. Could be inacurrate I guess, I don't know I haven't seen the movie.

Just then, a spaceship arrives and Bulma hops out. She wastes no time in unloading a verbal barrage on Freeza, telling him he doesn’t know when to give up. Freeza remembers her, but is curious where her friend Son Goku is.

To add this was said according to Herms through translations.

Freeza: “Oh, I remember you. We met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we? Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

So then pretty much every other person who writes Dragon Ball can be as consistent or inconsistent too since they were given rights to do pretty much whatever they want. Such as GT, Toei Movies, Specials, etc. Though of course Toriyama doesn't have to be consistent as it's his work....even though people will go to drastic length's to pretend he totally is being consistent.

[Dyno]

So then pretty much every other person who writes Dragon Ball can be as consistent or inconsistent too since they were given rights to do pretty much whatever they want. Such as GT, Toei Movies, Specials, etc. Though of course Toriyama doesn't have to be consistent....even though people will go to drastic length's to pretend he totally is being consistent.

Yes. That's why Bardock's time travel in Episode of Bardock was never a "plothole", or something enough for it to be desconsidered. It just doesn't have an explanation (which everyone could come up with one).

Thankfully Volume F does say that.

[Doctor.]

(which everyone could come up with one).

Woah woah woah, hold up there.

This is not how story-telling works. The author gives the explanation, not the audience.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

You know It is possible Freeza met Bulma off screen.

[dbzfan7]

This is [i}not[/i] how story-telling works. The author gives the explanation, not the audience.

You could apply this to soooo many Dragon Ball concepts and ideas right now

You know It is possible Freeza met Bulma off screen.

Let's see. In Mecha Freeza, Bulma says she's never met Freeza. She also wonders how anyone can see anything and didn't see the action going on. Freeza dies. Freeza doesn't come back til this movie. So how do they ever have the time to meet off screen?

[Lord Beerus]

So then pretty much every other person who writes Dragon Ball can be as consistent or inconsistent too since they were given rights to do pretty much whatever they want. Such as GT, Toei Movies, Specials, etc. Though of course Toriyama doesn't have to be consistent as it's his work....even though people will go to drastic length's to pretend he totally is being consistent.

People are calling out Toriyama for this inconsistency/plothole. It's just that's it's so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, there's no point in really ragging on him for it. Dragon Ball has always been consistently inconsistent. Why are you acting as if people have never pointed out the inconsistencies ever since Toriyama started writing and drawing Dragon Ball all those years ago?

[SansrivaaL]

Where did the whole Freeza knows Bulma come from? as far as I remember in the movie Bulma went to the battle field with Jaco, she shouted "Freeza" since he looked like the drawing Jaco made (even tho his drawing was baby~ish) then Freeza said "oh you know me? have we met on Namek before?" or somethin like that, I dont remember Freeza saying he knew who Bulma was (I could be wrong tho)

It comes from the summary. Could be inacurrate I guess, I don't know I haven't seen the movie.

Just then, a spaceship arrives and Bulma hops out. She wastes no time in unloading a verbal barrage on Freeza, telling him he doesn’t know when to give up. Freeza remembers her, but is curious where her friend Son Goku is.

To add this was said according to Herms through translations.

Freeza: “Oh, I remember you. We met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we? Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

So then pretty much every other person who writes Dragon Ball can be as consistent or inconsistent too since they were given rights to do pretty much whatever they want. Such as GT, Toei Movies, Specials, etc. Though of course Toriyama doesn't have to be consistent as it's his work....even though people will go to drastic length's to pretend he totally is being consistent.

Since it bugged me I read my volume F, guess Freeza really said "he got a quick glance at bulma on namek" guess he saw
her randomly on namek