Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[FortuneSSJ]

oda reveiw

http://one-piece.com/

I'm interested in this. Someone can translate it?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I always figured the one year limit only ever applied to Kami's Dragon Balls, as it's only ever mentioned with those. Dende's set have more power and fewer restrictions, so I just figured the one year limit may not apply or have a loophole somewhere now.

I honestly don't see how this causes so much confusion. The year limit is only mentioned once and only in ties for a request to revive a large group of people. Freeza and his forces kill a ton of people throughout the universe. Without the limit, there is no telling how many people Shenlong would have had to revive. There is no such limit on an individual soul or a much smaller group (except maybe if they've already been reincarnated).

[GoldLiger]

What's the difference between Toriyama deciding to change things or retcon them now versus back in serialization? Is it just your own feelings on things? Or is it something more concrete?

Like, I mean... the Red Ribbon Army was destroyed. Completely. Oh, except for Dr. Gero. And he's been doing research this whole time. Why was that OK?

I posit that it's no different at all, and people are simply approaching things with too much fandom baggage.

Except the difference is that at the point he was still in the process of making the manga(at the time) so he can do whatever THEN. Now on the other hand he is older(60) and his original continuity was established and signed by himself 20+ years ago. If he had never stated that the series directly follows the events of the original manga then we all wouldn't be having this debate.

[ShadowWolf87]

What's the difference between Toriyama deciding to change things or retcon them now versus back in serialization? Is it just your own feelings on things? Or is it something more concrete?

Like, I mean... the Red Ribbon Army was destroyed. Completely. Oh, except for Dr. Gero. And he's been doing research this whole time. Why was that OK?

I posit that it's no different at all, and people are simply approaching things with too much fandom baggage.

TBH Gero I have no problem with as, while convenient, there's nothing necessarily saying it couldn't have happened.

And Freeza seeing Bulma? The age of a minor character not really seen since DB? Tiny, insignificant to the overall plot. Minor inconsistencies that could potentially be explained without much reaching to boot. Maybe Freeza saw Bulma while doing a flyover and chose to ignore her as she wasn't important? Maybe Mai lied about age? Who knows, but even if it's a plain old goof, it's so small, and certainly not grounds for bemoaning the death of all continuity or declarations of Toriyama's senility.

[Hellspawn28]

Is is it true that Gohan kills Shisami? I hear the defeats him when Piccolo was fighting him.

[FortuneSSJ]

Except the difference is that at the point he was still in the process of making the manga(at the time) so he can do whatever THEN. Now on the other hand he is older(60) and his original continuity was established and signed by himself 20+ years ago. If he had never stated that the series directly follows the events of the original manga then we all wouldn't be having this debate.

You know you can jump off he train whenever you want, don't ya?!
The manga is already finished. All of this is just extra stuff.

Is is it true that Gohan kills Shisami? I hear the defeats him when Piccolo was fighting him.

Yeah. Gohan finishes him off.

[Hellspawn28]

Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).

[GoldLiger]

I don't know what to think anymore. Is this the same Toriyama that inspired the creators of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko, etc.? If he doesn't respect himself then who is going to respect him that isn't a blind fan?

[dbzfan7]

Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).

I think he beats him in one hit...not kill.

[Marco Polo]

Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).

He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

[ShadowWolf87]

What's the difference between Toriyama deciding to change things or retcon them now versus back in serialization? Is it just your own feelings on things? Or is it something more concrete?

Like, I mean... the Red Ribbon Army was destroyed. Completely. Oh, except for Dr. Gero. And he's been doing research this whole time. Why was that OK?

I posit that it's no different at all, and people are simply approaching things with too much fandom baggage.

Except the difference is that at the point he was still in the process of making the manga(at the time) so he can do whatever THEN. Now on the other hand he is older(60) and his original continuity was established and signed by himself 20+ years ago. If he had never stated that the series directly follows the events of the original manga then we all wouldn't be having this debate.

So... because he took a break?

It's okay for him to alter continuity a tad while writing it then, but not while writing it now?

[ShadowWolf87]

I don't know what to think anymore. Is this the same Toriyama that inspired the creators of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko, etc.? If he doesn't respect himself then who is going to respect him that isn't a blind fan?

Again... because of one minor detail that in no way, shape, or form impacts the plot?

[Lord Beerus]

Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).

I think he beats him in one hit...not kill.

Yeah, one punch to stomach from SSJ Gohan downs Shisami.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I don't know what to think anymore. Is this the same Toriyama that inspired the creators of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko, etc.? If he doesn't respect himself then who is going to respect him that isn't a blind fan?

Again... because of one minor detail that in no way, shape, or form impacts the plot?

Exactly!! I really do not understand these comments at all. Also when was it ever stated that Toriyama doesn't respect himself?

[GoldLiger]

I don't know what to think anymore. Is this the same Toriyama that inspired the creators of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko, etc.? If he doesn't respect himself then who is going to respect him that isn't a blind fan?

Again... because of one minor detail that in no way, shape, or form impacts the plot?

Minor detail how about this:

Shenron(Dende's) Original manga
3 wishes
Can not wish multiple people who died for over 1 year
Can wish multiple people back from the dead using 2 of the 3 wishes
Can revive people back to the ORIGINAL state

Shenron(Dende) Battle of Gods
Grants 1 wish(Pilaf proof of this)

Shenron(Dende) Resurrection F
2 wishes
Revives people in the state they where in upon death

Just between the latest movies Shenron's abilities have been nerfed and slightly buffed.

[FortuneSSJ]

Minor detail how about this:

Shenron(Dende's) Original manga
3 wishes
Can not wish multiple people who died for over 1 year
Can wish multiple people back from the dead using 2 of the 3 wishes
Can revive people back to the ORIGINAL state

Shenron(Dende) Battle of Gods
Grants 1 wish(Pilaf proof of this)

Shenron(Dende) Resurrection F
2 wishes
Revives people in the state they where in upon death

Just between the latest movies Shenron's abilities have been nerfed and slightly buffed.

You can ask Shenlong to go away if you don't wan't any more wishes

[ShadowWolf87]

I don't know what to think anymore. Is this the same Toriyama that inspired the creators of Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Toriko, etc.? If he doesn't respect himself then who is going to respect him that isn't a blind fan?

Again... because of one minor detail that in no way, shape, or form impacts the plot?

Exactly!! I really do not understand these comments at all. Also when was it ever stated that Toriyama doesn't respect himself?

He engages in self-deprecating humor frequently, but I never got the idea he doesn't respect himself or his work.

[ShadowWolf87]

From anyone who's seen the movie: does Freeza specifically say he remembers seeing Bulma, or does he simply say he remembers her?

[Lord Beerus]

From anyone who's seen the movie: does Freeza specifically say he remembers seeing Bulma, or does he simply say he remembers her?

This is what Freeza says in regards to seeing Bulma:

Freeza: “Oh, I remember you. We met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we? Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

Credit to Herms for the translation.

[ShadowWolf87]

From anyone who's seen the movie: does Freeza specifically say he remembers seeing Bulma, or does he simply say he remembers her?

This is what Freeza says in regards to seeing Bulma:

Freeza: “Oh, I remember you. We met very briefly on Planet Namek, didn’t we? Where’s your friend Son Goku?”

Credit to Herms for the translation.

Huh. Seems so tiny and yet everyone blows up over it.

Then again, as I said... to be expected on this thread anymore. HATE to think what the Super thread looks like right now...