The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Polyphase Avatron]

SMPOM won't stand a chance against Beerus, let alone Zeno.

He would beat Beerus.

Based on what exactly I don't even see anything that allows him to beat SSJG Goku

He can stop a universe from collapsing even while being in a completely separate universe.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (If his power in base was 7% weaker than Beerus' full power) and Black Star Dragon Ball Saga GT Bulla (if her power in base was 8% weaker than Beerus' full power) vs. Majin Vegeta (If his power in base was 9% weaker than Beerus' full power).

2) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (If his power in base was 4.040% stronger than Beerus' full power) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla (If her power in base was 3.040% stronger than Beerus' full power) vs. Super Mira (the strange Super Saiyan form of Demon King Mira) Majin Vegeta (If his power in base was 4% weaker than Beerus' full power).

3) Vegito Blue vs. Hit.

[Saiyan007]

He would beat Beerus.

Based on what exactly I don't even see anything that allows him to beat SSJG Goku

He can stop a universe from collapsing even while being in a completely separate universe.

Pretty sure it was stated that he couldn't stop the Atom's universe from collapsing but even then how is that noteworthy combat wise?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Based on what exactly I don't even see anything that allows him to beat SSJG Goku

He can stop a universe from collapsing even while being in a completely separate universe.

Pretty sure it was stated that he couldn't stop the Atom's universe from collapsing but even then how is that noteworthy combat wise?

He couldn't stop it because it happened too suddenly, before he realized what was going on (hard to blame him as he was in another universe at the time) and he wasn't able to respond in time. Otherwise he could have. It's notable because it shows he has the power to manipulate universes and cancel a universe-ending singularity. So he could undo any of Beerus' attacks. You would need Zeno who can wipe out many universes at once to beat him.

[Anime Kitten]

So, wait - this may not be the best place to ask, but the Kaiōshin are stronger than pre-BOG Base Goku/Vegeta? If they can one-shot Freeza, and the Saiyans' Bases were stated to be weaker than Freeza, then that's an interesting tidbit.

[Saiyan007]

He couldn't stop it because it happened too suddenly, before he realized what was going on (hard to blame him as he was in another universe at the time) and he wasn't able to respond in time. Otherwise he could have.

So he says....

It's notable because it shows he has the power to manipulate universes and cancel a universe-ending singularity.

except he hasn't shown it and we don't even know how he would go about doing it, this dude used a GL ring to beat Solaris if he was as powerful as you are implying why use the ring?

So he could undo any of Beerus' attacks. You would need Zeno who can wipe out many universes at once to beat him.

Except for the fact that Goku wasn't just threatening the physical universe but the other world,the kai realm and even hell while not even using his full power and Beerus is even stronger than a SSGSS x10 Goku.

Prime One Million could be as strong as you're claiming but he lacks the feats and has only very vauge statements surrounding him all you can really say is that it's Post Crsisis Superman with Extreme Sundipping

[TheUltimateNinja]

Not really. Beerus is a universe-ender. Superman p1m needed a GL ring to beat a weakened solaris. 15,000 years into sun can only take you so far.

He can stop universes from collapsing as shown when he rescued the Atom.

Even Super Vegetto can do that.

[TheUltimateNinja]

So, wait - this may not be the best place to ask, but the Kaiōshin are stronger than pre-BOG Base Goku/Vegeta? If they can one-shot Freeza, and the Saiyans' Bases were stated to be weaker than Freeza, then that's an interesting tidbit.

We already know that the Kaioshin are stronger than their SSJ forms as well, this is nothing new.

1) Cell Games Saga Teen Gohan (If his power in base was 7% weaker than Beerus' full power) and Black Star Dragon Ball Saga GT Bulla (if her power in base was 8% weaker than Beerus' full power) vs. Majin Vegeta (If his power in base was 9% weaker than Beerus' full power).

2) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (If his power in base was 4.040% stronger than Beerus' full power) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla (If her power in base was 3.040% stronger than Beerus' full power) vs. Super Mira (the strange Super Saiyan form of Demon King Mira) Majin Vegeta (If his power in base was 4% weaker than Beerus' full power).

3) Vegito Blue vs. Hit.

1) Vegeta gets destroyed, he can't win a 1v2 against 2 people who are both stronger than him.

2) Super Mira and Majin Vegeta both get erased from existence instantly.

3) Vegetto Blue annihilates Hit, he's above Kaioken x10 Goku who is already stronger than Hit.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Not really. Beerus is a universe-ender. Superman p1m needed a GL ring to beat a weakened solaris. 15,000 years into sun can only take you so far.

He can stop universes from collapsing as shown when he rescued the Atom.

Even Super Vegetto can do that.

Only by punching Buu before he could do it, in filler.

[Polyphase Avatron]

So he says....

If you want to go that way, there's no proof Beerus or Champa or Goku could destroy a universe either, since it never happened. I don't see any reason to doubt them or him.

except he hasn't shown it and we don't even know how he would go about doing it, this dude used a GL ring to beat Solaris if he was as powerful as you are implying why use the ring?

Who knows? Why does Trunks use a sword?

Except for the fact that Goku wasn't just threatening the physical universe but the other world,the kai realm and even hell while not even using his full power

Those are all considered part of the universe.

and Beerus is even stronger than a SSGSS x10 Goku.

The powerscaling in DBS is wonky... Beerus is afraid of Zeno's ability to wipe out 12 universes at once which he indicates is way beyond him.

Prime One Million could be as strong as you're claiming but he lacks the feats and has only very vauge statements surrounding him

You could say the same thing about Beerus, Goku, or Champa. After all they never actually destroyed any universes.

People have also done weird things like trying to scale SMP to 5d imps since he's above Kal Kent who supposedly has 5d imp abilities, and taking that one panel saying he would wrestle with the Archangel Michael literally (who is above the Spectre) but I don't really buy any of those arguments. Point is, they exist and some people will argue them.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He can stop universes from collapsing as shown when he rescued the Atom.

Even Super Vegetto can do that.

Only by punching Buu before he could do it, in filler.

It's canon to the anime version of Super which acknowledges a lot of Z's filler.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Even Super Vegetto can do that.

Only by punching Buu before he could do it, in filler.

It's canon to the anime version of Super which acknowledges a lot of Z's filler.

Not that particular filler, though. It's made pretty clear that the universe level stuff all starts with SSJG and Beerus, and no one weaker. And again, all he did was punch him out before he could finish the chain reaction. Here we're talking about stopping a universe-eating singularity that consumes time and space, while being in a completely separate universe.

[Saiyan007]

If you want to go that way, there's no proof Beerus or Champa or Goku could destroy a universe either, since it never happened

I guess you missed the part where Beerus nullified energy that was going to destroy the universe and Goku punching out energy which had more than enough power in it to destroy the universe.

I don't see any reason to doubt them or him.

again how was he going to do it then?

Who knows? Why does Trunks use a sword?

Except Trunks has feats of being powerful without his sword.Supes One Million not so much.

Those are all considered part of the universe.

Yeah the Dragon Ball universe but it's pretty clear that it's not in the same plane of existence you can't simply fly a plane and end up in the Other World it's in a different dimension altogether.

The powerscaling in DBS is wonky... Beerus is afraid of Zeno's ability to wipe out 12 universes at once which he indicates is way beyond him.

ok.. I don't see anything wrong here. Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy universe 6 and 7 Zeno can casually nuke the Multiverse without a scratch

You could say the same thing about Beerus, Goku, or Champa. After all they never actually destroyed any universes.

Goku already destroyed Beerus energy ball which had more energy in it to destroy the universe with a single punch.

People have also done weird things like trying to scale SMP to 5d imps since he's above Kal Kent who supposedly has 5d imp abilities, and taking that one panel saying he would wrestle with the Archangel Michael literally (who is above the Spectre) but I don't really buy any of those arguments. Point is, they exist and some people will argue them.

People have also debunked most of SMP claims

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/ge ... n-1642666/

[Polyphase Avatron]

I guess you missed the part where Beerus nullified energy that was going to destroy the universe and Goku punching out energy which had more than power in it to destroy the universe.

Like I said those are just statements. If you want to dismiss the statement about the Atom's universe then people can dismiss those too.

again how was he going to do it then?

Who knows?

Except Trunks has feats of being powerful without his sword.Supes One Million not so much.

Except scaling from all of the people he's more powerful than. Besides, a GL ring is not exactly a weak weapon - its only limit is its user's willpower and imagination.

Yeah the Dragon Ball universe but it's pretty clear that it's not in the same plane of existence you can't simply fly a plane and end up in the Other World it's in a different dimension altogether.

I'm afraid I don't see your point.

ok.. I don't see anything wrong here. Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy universe 6 and 7 Zeno can casually nuke the Multiverse without a scratch

So you weren't trying to imply Beerus can wipe out 10 universes at once by himself or something?

Goku already destroyed Beerus energy ball which had more energy in it to destroy the universe with a single punch.

And we only know that because someone said it. If you get to ignore what characters say, that applies to both sides.

People have also debunked most of SMP claims

I'm not reading all of that. I'm just going by what is in the comics and what can be reasonably extrapolated.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Let me just be clear that I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just pointing out people are using inconsistent arguments. Basically what I'm seeing here is people saying:

- This character is said to be able to do such-and-such, so it must be true
- This other character is said to be able to do such-and-such, but I don't believe it

[TheUltimateNinja]

SSJ2 Vegetto vs Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta.

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Goku (Current) Vs SSBlue Vegetto (Resurrection F)

[Steven Bloodriver]

SSJ2 Vegetto vs Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku and SSJ4 Vegeta.

SSBlue Kaioken x10 Goku (Current) Vs SSBlue Vegetto (Resurrection F)

1) Super Saiyan 2 Vegito, he would have little to no problem with Omega Shenron, so both Super Saiyan 4 Full Power Goku and Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta are indeed seriously ducked right from the start, if unless their fusion of the past does want to play around with them in order to test himself.

2) Vegito Blue wins, the result of using Potara Fusion is by far greater than the Kaioken technique.

3) Super Perfect Cell (if he had regenerated from the Father-Son Kamehameha) vs. Majin Vegeta.

4) Super Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

5) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla vs. Hit.

6) Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta (GT) vs. Merged Zamasu.

7) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Turles.

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) Super Perfect Cell (if he had regenerated from the Father-Son Kamehameha) vs. Majin Vegeta.

2) Super Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla vs. Hit.

4) Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta (GT) vs. Merged Zamasu.

5) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Turles.

1) Super Perfect Cell would be stronger than Majin Vegeta, personally I have Cell around 8 billion and Majin Vegeta at 10 billion, so with a Zenkai of let's say 33% he would reach a power level of 10.6 billion, 6% greater than Vegeta. Vegeta's only hope in this situation would be the Final Explosion.

2) I have Super Gogeta at 100 billion and Super Baby Vegeta at 80 billion, so Gogeta should win easily. However his time limit may prove to be an issue.

3) Hit would win easily, neither Bulla nor Gohan are anywhere close to Tournament Goku.

4) Merged Zamasu would win, SSBlue Gogeta would probably last only 2-3 minutes before he defuses.

5) Kid Gohan would kill Turles even without Super Saiyan. Turles power level is around 350,000 and Enraged Gohan is over a million, he could kill Turles in one shot. However, if he's not rage boosted his power would probably be only 250-300k so in that case Turles would win.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Super Perfect Cell (if he had regenerated from the Father-Son Kamehameha) vs. Majin Vegeta.

2) Super Gogeta (Fusion Reborn) vs. Baby Vegeta (Super Saiyan).

3) Super Saiyan Blue Teen Gohan (Cell Games Saga) and GT Super Saiyan Blue Bulla vs. Hit.

4) Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta (GT) vs. Merged Zamasu.

5) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan (Frieza Saga) vs. Turles.

1) Super Perfect Cell would be stronger than Majin Vegeta, personally I have Cell around 8 billion and Majin Vegeta at 10 billion, so with a Zenkai of let's say 33% he would reach a power level of 10.6 billion, 6% greater than Vegeta. Vegeta's only hope in this situation would be the Final Explosion.

2) I have Super Gogeta at 100 billion and Super Baby Vegeta at 80 billion, so Gogeta should win easily. However his time limit may prove to be an issue.

3) Hit would win easily, neither Bulla nor Gohan are anywhere close to Tournament Goku.

4) Merged Zamasu would win, SSBlue Gogeta would probably last only 2-3 minutes before he defuses.

5) Kid Gohan would kill Turles even without Super Saiyan. Turles power level is around 350,000 and Enraged Gohan is over a million, he could kill Turles in one shot. However, if he's not rage boosted his power would probably be only 250-300k so in that case Turles would win.

6) Not even the Final Explosion of the Prince of Destruction would beat this Super Perfect Cell.

7) How about Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) and GT SSJ3 Goku vs. Super Janemba?

Eight) I think Goku from the Champa Saga is barely any stronger than himself from Resurrection F.

9) Merged Zamasu would have lost even quicker as Gogeta is the more serious fusion.

10) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan vs. Lord Slug (Youth Restored).

[TheUltimateNinja]

1) How about Super Saiyan 3 Goku (Fusion Reborn) and GT SSJ3 Goku vs. Super Janemba?

2) I think Goku from the Champa Saga is barely any stronger than himself from Resurrection F.

3) Merged Zamasu would have lost even quicker as Gogeta is the more serious fusion.

4) Super Saiyan Kid Gohan vs. Lord Slug (Youth Restored).

1) If GT Goku has his tail, the two of them combined can win. However, without his tail they would get beaten.

2) Personally I think he improved a good deal, around 40% stronger.

3) But Gogeta wouldn't have the time to defeat him as if he uses too much power his fusion will end even quicker.

4) Kid Gohan should win easily, his power level as a Super Saiyan would be over 50 million, whereas Lord Slug most likely can't even approach 10 million.