Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Honestly, if we assume Hirudegarns power comes from his physical strength as opposed to his BP, you could potentially make M12 and M13 work within the boundaries of the manga. Not everyone in DBZ has to have a massive BP to be strong. You can even make the anime work within the boundaries of the manga with a little creativity.

No, you really can't. Goku is just too much stronger than Gotenks and Gohan for it to ever fit.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Honestly, if we assume Hirudegarns power comes from his physical strength as opposed to his BP, you could potentially make M12 and M13 work within the boundaries of the manga. Not everyone in DBZ has to have a massive BP to be strong. You can even make the anime work within the boundaries of the manga with a little creativity.

No, you really can't. Goku is just too much stronger than Gotenks and Gohan for it to ever fit.

I don't think he is. His Ryuken is what killed Hirudegarn. The only reason Goku tanked a punch or 2 is because Toei logic. He isn't any stronger than Gohan or Gotenks.

[RandomGuy96]

The whole movie is Toei logic.

Goku tanked several punches from final form Hirudegarn. At one point he got hit right in the face and just smiled. Gohan was one-shotted by being grabbed and thrown, while Gotenks was one-shotted by a simple punch. In fact, Hirudegarn punched him so hard that not only was he beaten. but he was somehow knocked out of the fusion AND the Super Saiyan form. There is no freaking way those guys are stronger than Goku in this movie, and it's just wishful thinking to say otherwise. This movie follows the anime logic, where Goku is on par with Gohan and Gotenks (at least until the Kid Buu fight randomly declared him way stronger all along; I guess he just let Buutenks beat him up and suppressed himself when fusing with Vegeta and didn't actually need Vegetto).

Though you can go with the theory that Trunks chopping off the monster's tail weakened him significantly. But then you'd have another issue: even an injured Gohan barley able to stand up would still be way stronger than Goku

[Rocketman]

"If Goku Can't Do It, Who Can?!?!"

Uh...Gotenks or Gohan?

"SHUT THE FUCK UP"

[TheMightyOzaru]

"If Goku Can't Do It, Who Can?!?!"

Uh...Gotenks or Gohan?

"SHUT THE FUCK UP"

, I'm so tempted to forgo my power levels and just accept Kabooms or something. The power level debates are starting to get annoying.

[Kaboom]

, I'm so tempted to forgo my power levels and just accept Kabooms or something. The power level debates are starting to get annoying.

If you think you can bear that cross and endure the hail of persecution that comes with it, go right ahead.

[Kamiccolo9]

, I'm so tempted to forgo my power levels and just accept Kabooms or something. The power level debates are starting to get annoying.

If you think you can bear that cross and endure the hail of persecution that comes with it, go right ahead.

And so the Cult of Kaboom begins...

[TheMightyOzaru]

, I'm so tempted to forgo my power levels and just accept Kabooms or something. The power level debates are starting to get annoying.

If you think you can bear that cross and endure the hail of persecution that comes with it, go right ahead.

And so the Cult of Kaboom begins...

He does seem to have a Cult following doesn't he .

[dbzfan7]

"If Goku Can't Do It, Who Can?!?!"

Uh...Gotenks or Gohan?

"SHUT THE FUCK UP"

And I had to make that part of my signature.

[TheMightyOzaru]

, I'm so tempted to forgo my power levels and just accept Kabooms or something. The power level debates are starting to get annoying.

If you think you can bear that cross and endure the hail of persecution that comes with it, go right ahead.

I've just decided to do a basic power scaling list. Numbers are just getting annoying. I'll post that when I'm done with it.

[Draken]

Wasn't it like getting him mad = weakening or something? Or was that dub only.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Wasn't it like getting him mad = weakening or something? Or was that dub only.

It was a dub thing.

[Draken]

Wasn't it like getting him mad = weakening or something? Or was that dub only.

It was a dub thing.

Damn. Well, this is one case where I prefer the dub then . It at least TRIES to give an explanation of why Goku could be Hirudegarn while the others couldn't. Instead of just instant Goku wank.

[dbzfan7]

I'm making some ground numbers to help make power levels for the Arrival Trunks and onward. So far I'm having trouble with Piccolo and Vegeta's starting point, the humans (except Krillin), and Gohan.

Piccolo and Vegeta I have trouble deciding upon there levels and who is even stronger. People have made a good case for both.

The humans had to have gotten some gains on Kaio's planet during there time there. I'm thinking around the 40,000 point (except Chaozu).

Gohan was 250,000 at the start of the Freeza fight. And he seemed to get stronger throughout it. So i'm thinking of a basis for him. I don't think he trained after Namek.

[PerfectFreeza]

That's great and all but Janenba has feats that rival Buuhan in the anime so he's definitely stronger than Hirudegarn.

It's most likely side effect of his existence though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That's great and all but Janenba has feats that rival Buuhan in the anime so he's definitely stronger than Hirudegarn.

It's most likely side effect of his existence though.

His existence was the cause of a bunch of Evil Ki. his Ki caused it, so it's a decent feat.

[RandomGuy96]

All of his Buuhan comparable feats were done in his fat form. I don't think that it's related to power. He's just a reality warper with unique abilities. Too bad he didn't use them against Gogeta.

[PerfectFreeza]

But feats don't really matter.Look at Family Kamehameha not destroying the sun, yet made from people, who are probably greater than Cell combined.
EDIT:Thank you, RG94.

[TheMightyOzaru]

All of his Buuhan comparable feats were done in his fat form. I don't think that it's related to power. He's just a reality warper with unique abilities. Too bad he didn't use them against Gogeta.

Well Janenba's full power was just masked by his larger form. His Ki is still what caused this. He's clearly up there since Toei stated he is superior to Hirudegarn.

But feats don't really matter.Look at Family Kamehameha not destroying the sun, yet made from people, who are probably greater than Cell combined.
EDIT:Thank you, RG94.

And...? Many attacks like Vegeta's Big Bang Attack should blow up the Earth 100 times over yet it doesn't =/. These characters simply condense their Ki so it doesn't cause widespread destruction.

[dbzfan7]

And...? Many attacks like Vegeta's Big Bang Attack should blow up the Earth 100 times over yet it doesn't =/. These characters simply condense their Ki so it doesn't cause widespread destruction.

I like to think that's why Earth isn't destroyed so easily.

I'm making some ground numbers to help make power levels for the Arrival Trunks and onward. So far I'm having trouble with Piccolo and Vegeta's starting point, the humans (except Krillin), and Gohan.

Piccolo and Vegeta I have trouble deciding upon there levels and who is even stronger. People have made a good case for both.

The humans had to have gotten some gains on Kaio's planet during there time there. I'm thinking around the 40,000 point (except Chaozu).

Gohan was 250,000 at the start of the Freeza fight. And he seemed to get stronger throughout it. So i'm thinking of a basis for him. I don't think he trained after Namek.