The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:02 pm

Mystic Gohan wrote:Mystic gohan vs buff buu.
They should be very near in power, but Boo wins thanks to his regeneration & stamina.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Gohan » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:02 pm

So then you guys think that there is a drastic difference between super buu and buff buu huh? Because mystic roflstomped super buu with basic kicks and punches ya know?

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:43 pm

Mystic Gohan wrote:So then you guys think that there is a drastic difference between super buu and buff buu huh? Because mystic roflstomped super buu with basic kicks and punches ya know?
Goku noted in the manga that South Kaioshin Boo was stronger than Evil Boo. Ultimate Gohan was stronger than Evil Boo, but weaker than Gotenks Boo. And Gotenks Boo should be stronger than South Kaioshin Boo. So, Ultimate Gohan should be near with South Kaioshin Boo in terms of power. Maybe Gohan is slightly weaker, slightly stronger, or maybe they are even. But Boo's stamina is almost unlimited, and he is almost immortal, I doubt that Gohan can win this.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Gohan » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:16 pm

But the gap between ultimate gohan and super buu should me monstrous. He was raping super buu with basic kicks and attacks worse than gotenks was with all of his energy attacks.

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Post by Saiga » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:35 pm

I think Gohan would win, Goku and Kid Boo were very close in power and Goku thought he could finish him in one blow if he could charge up his energy. Gohan doesn't suffer from the drawbacks of SS3, so I don't think he'd have any trouble gathering enough ki to finish Buff Boo.
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Post by dprez » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:14 pm

Gohan would win I think. Gohan was far beyond Super Boo, and I doubt the power boost from Super to Buff is enough to match Gohan's power.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Fox666 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:10 am

I don't think Gohan was much better than Evil Boo. Gohan was just stronger than him, which was enough to prevent Evil Boo of counter-attacking.

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Post by Mystic Gohan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:48 am

What else is there too being better than someone then being stronger? He was absolutely godstomping him with basic punches and kicks, while gotenks needed to use energy attack after energy atack to harm super buu and was still getting hit.

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Post by DBZ Mick » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:24 am

What else is there too being better than someone then being stronger?
The show/manga often went the opposite way. It was who was the most tactical or cunning for example.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.

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Post by Mystic Gohan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:23 pm

Maybe in DB,but name one time in DBZ where the winner of the battle was someone who wasn't stronger than there opponent and one because of pure strategy.

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:29 pm

Raditz and Kid Buu.

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Post by Mystic Gohan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Raditz's death was due to a special beam cannon which was probably stronger than him. I don't think anyody is gonna argue tht the genki dama<kid buu.

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Post by CaBrPi » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:51 pm

Mystic Gohan wrote:Raditz's death was due to a special beam cannon which was probably stronger than him. I don't think anyody is gonna argue tht the genki dama<kid buu.
Yes, Piccolo's Makankosappo was more powerful than Raditz, but Piccolo himself was not. The reason they were able to overcome Raditz was because Goku was smart enough to grab Raditz's tail. Of course, that didn't work, but when Gohan smashed Raditz's chest, he still would've dodged the second Makankosappo if Goku hadn't grabbed him.

The Genki Dama is strategy-based in exactly the same way.

It's a classic strategy. Distract your enemy while your ally swoops in with a "surprise" attack. Of course, neither were a surprise in the end, but that's what they were going for.

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Post by Kaboom » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:54 pm

Hi, Mystic Gohan, thanks for all the activity in this thread lately, but I'd like to remind you that Daizex has some high standards when it comes to spelling and grammar. Please work on your spelling (for example, your "won" versus "one"). We can't be sure if English is your native language or not since you don't have a location listed, but please try to put a little more effort into your posts. Thanks! :D
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Gohan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:39 pm

CaBrPi wrote:
Mystic Gohan wrote:Raditz's death was due to a special beam cannon which was probably stronger than him. I don't think anyody is gonna argue tht the genki dama<kid buu.
Yes, Piccolo's Makankosappo was more powerful than Raditz, but Piccolo himself was not. The reason they were able to overcome Raditz was because Goku was smart enough to grab Raditz's tail. Of course, that didn't work, but when Gohan smashed Raditz's chest, he still would've dodged the second Makankosappo if Goku hadn't grabbed him.

The Genki Dama is strategy-based in exactly the same way.

It's a classic strategy. Distract your enemy while your ally swoops in with a "surprise" attack. Of course, neither were a surprise in the end, but that's what they were going for.
But he said battles can be won through pure cunning. I would agree if this were DB as Piccolo Jr nearly beat Goku by playing hostage with Tenshinhan. But in DBZ, all that matters is power really. There isn't any strategy past the early saiyan saga.

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Post by In Brightest Day » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:24 pm

Rocketman wrote:Raditz and Kid Buu.
Well, Raditz being a complete idiot had a lot to do with it as well...

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Gohan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:30 pm

Gotta give it gohan some major credit too. He probably wounded raditz too the point that goku could hold him down ya know?

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Post by Saiga » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:33 pm

It wasn't just Dragon Ball Z that was all about power. Dragon Ball was as well, in fact right from the beginning Roshi didn't train Kurilin and Goku in skill, he just made them monstrously powerful so they could roflstomp the other martial artists, skill or no skill.
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Post by Silkman3003 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:41 pm

Ssj Trunks(Android saga) and Piccolo(pre Kami fusion) vs Ssj Vegeta(Android Saga)

Can the combined efforts of both fighters beat vegeta?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:07 pm

Silkman3003 wrote:Ssj Trunks(Android saga) and Piccolo(pre Kami fusion) vs Ssj Vegeta(Android Saga)
Can the combined efforts of both fighters beat vegeta?
Hmmm... No, personally I don't think so. Piccolo would "only" be around the power Goku had on Namek by my figuring, and Trunks wouldn't be too much stronger than that, presuming only 8 months of solo training passed for him in the future instead of 3 years like for the group in the past. Whereas Vegeta would be much stronger than either of them individually, probably enough that even with teamwork they couldn't beat him.

Piccolo - 140
SSj Trunks - 180
SSj Vegeta - 230

Something like that (those are my current numbers in millions for all characters concerned, because you care). They'd probably put up a good fight, but I see good ol' brutal Vegeta winning in the end.
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