The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[mcdjbeatz]

Who would win in a fight between

-gotenks vs uub

-giran vs videl

-goku black manga vs ssb Vegeta 10%

Gotenks would win against Uub (28th Tenkaichi Budokai) or Uub (Start of GT) if he didn't mess around. Uub (28th Tenkaichi Budokai) was at most close to base Goku who was way weaker than even Base Gotenks (Buu Arc, Post ROSAT), Uub (GT) was around Base Goku (Start of GT) who I think is close to Base Gotenks (Buu Arc, Post ROSAT) but weaker than SSJ Gotenks or SSJ 3 Gotenks.

Giran would win easily, Videl cannot deal with Giran's Merry Go Round Gum (Lassoo-In' Gum) and her ability to fly is negated by Giran's own ability to fly.

This last one is really tough so I'm to use SSJB 10% Vegeta from the manga to answer this, SSJ Vegeta was slightly stronger than SSJ Goku Black, Goku Black was stronger than SSJ 2 Trunks was almost equal to SSJ 3 Goku. SSJ 2 Trunks was almost oneshotted by SSJG Goku, because SSJG Goku did not one shot suppressed Hit back in the tournament we can say that Hit is stronger than Trunks. SSJ Goku was able to perform better against Hit than 10% SSJB Vegeta we can say that SSJ Goku is stronger than SSJB 10% Vegeta. You may say that SSJ Goku only lasted that long because of him being able to predict Hit's movements which is a fair reason however because Goku was able to last longer than Vegeta means that Goku had more stamina than SSJB 10% Vegeta did implying that SSJ Goku is stronger. Due to SSJ 2 Trunks being stronger than SSJ Goku who is weaker than Goku Black this leads me to conclude that Goku Black is stronger than 10% SSJB Vegeta.

[mcdjbeatz]

Finial form Coola vs Base form Goku end of z

Goku easily takes this, Goku's base form on Namek was 3,000,000 and after 1 year of training on yardrat, 3 years of training for the androids, 1 year of training with Gohan in the ROSAT, 7 years of training in the afterlife and 10 years of training after Kid Buu's defeat I don't see how Goku couldn't have surpassed final form cooler at the very least.

[dragon boss z]

Finial form Coola vs Base form Goku end of z

Goku easily takes this, Goku's base form on Namek was 3,000,000 and after 1 year of training on yardrat, 3 years of training for the androids, 1 year of training with Gohan in the ROSAT, 7 years of training in the afterlife and 10 years of training after Kid Buu's defeat I don't see how Goku couldn't have surpassed final form cooler at the very least.

How do you come to the conclusion he is stronger just because he trained a lot? that's not proof of anything. All that means is base Goku is stronger than he was before. Goku's biggest gains was in the ROSAT. In the 7 years of training in the Buu saga Goku only barely got stronger than teen Gohan (not incudling ssj3). That beans Goku's base in the Buu saga was just a bit stronger than teen Gohan's base. And I really don't see teen Gohan's base being stronger than 100% Frieza or final form Cooler. Not to mention Beerus said base Goku is weaker than Frieza.

Though like I said in my post if you include kaioken Goku wins pretty easily.

[dragon boss z]

Who would win in a fight between

-gotenks vs uub

-giran vs videl

-goku black manga vs ssb Vegeta 10%

Gotenks. Uub is featless. Unless you mean GT Uub, where Uub may win.

Giran beats Videl do to having better feats.

SSB Vegeta even at 10% should beat current Black in the manga. Black is losing to ssj2 Vegeta and I don't think ssj2 Vegeta is as strong as 10% SSB.

17 mentions that 18 cant handle everyone when she goes against Vegeta. So hypothetically, had this occurred in a universe where Piccolo already merged with Kami and 16 decides to stay out of it.

Piccolo, Vegeta, & Trunks Vs. 17 & 18.

This is a hard one. Probably 17 and 18 due to their unlimited stamina and Trunks and Vegeta most likely going down quickly. Though Piccolo may be able to take one of the androids out.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Who would win in a fight between

-gotenks vs uub

-giran vs videl

-goku black manga vs ssb Vegeta 10%

SSB Vegeta even at 10% should beat current Black in the manga. Black is losing to ssj2 Vegeta and I don't think ssj2 Vegeta is as strong as 10% SSB.

17 mentions that 18 cant handle everyone when she goes against Vegeta. So hypothetically, had this occurred in a universe where Piccolo already merged with Kami and 16 decides to stay out of it.

Piccolo, Vegeta, & Trunks Vs. 17 & 18.

This is a hard one. Probably 17 and 18 due to their unlimited stamina and Trunks and Vegeta most likely going down quickly. Though Piccolo may be able to take one of the androids out.

SSJ2 Vegeta is confirmed to be far above SSJ3 Goku since he is able to make a joke of SSJ2 Black who easily thrashed Trunks in Base, and Trunks is SSJ3 Goku's equal.

Back in the U6 arc SSJ Goku was confirmed to be in the same league as 10% of SSBlue Vegeta since it was revealed that Hit's timeskip only works on people near or below his level, and SSJ Goku was said to be slightly stronger than Hit.

Therefore SSJ2 Vegeta is definitely far above 10% of SSBlue.

The Z fighters can win. Vegeta and Trunks together can hold 17 off while Piccolo quickly kills 18 and then they all gang up on 17.

[Angelus]

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

They all get destroyed. Cell still had a vast reservoir of power left, you'd need to have a fully healthy Goku on their side as well for them to even stand a chance.

[DanielSSJ]

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

Even in his weakened state, Cell should be more than strong enough to eliminate the team, even if Vegeta is using Grade 2 instead of the regular Super Saiyan. Now if Goku or Gohan were here it would be a different story altogether.

[dragonball0900]

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

Cell takes this, but not easily. ASSJ Vegeta is at most just like a 90-95% of Goku, and Cell without too much energy might be able to make a good battle with those versions of Vegeta and Trunks. However, Cell might end up being the winner. If it was just SSJ Vegeta and Trunks, Cell wins easily obviously.

[dragon boss z]

Who would win in a fight between

-gotenks vs uub

-giran vs videl

-goku black manga vs ssb Vegeta 10%

SSB Vegeta even at 10% should beat current Black in the manga. Black is losing to ssj2 Vegeta and I don't think ssj2 Vegeta is as strong as 10% SSB.

17 mentions that 18 cant handle everyone when she goes against Vegeta. So hypothetically, had this occurred in a universe where Piccolo already merged with Kami and 16 decides to stay out of it.

Piccolo, Vegeta, & Trunks Vs. 17 & 18.

This is a hard one. Probably 17 and 18 due to their unlimited stamina and Trunks and Vegeta most likely going down quickly. Though Piccolo may be able to take one of the androids out.

SSJ2 Vegeta is confirmed to be far above SSJ3 Goku since he is able to make a joke of SSJ2 Black who easily thrashed Trunks in Base, and Trunks is SSJ3 Goku's equal.

Back in the U6 arc SSJ Goku was confirmed to be in the same league as 10% of SSBlue Vegeta since it was revealed that Hit's timeskip only works on people near or below his level, and SSJ Goku was said to be slightly stronger than Hit.

Therefore SSJ2 Vegeta is definitely far above 10% of SSBlue.

The Z fighters can win. Vegeta and Trunks together can hold 17 off while Piccolo quickly kills 18 and then they all gang up on 17.

That is a extremely bad inconsistency in the manga of Super. The fact that ssj2 Vegeta is multiple times stronger than ssj3 Goku would already be bad enough and most likely not intended, but if ssj goku was equal to 10% of SSB Vegeta and if the multipliers are still the same then ssj3 Goku would be 80% of SSB Vegeta, meaning that ssj2 Vegeta is stronger than 100% SSB Vegeta.

maybe if Trunks didn't use his supercharged ss2 form against base Black then it could make sense. Also we need to throw multipliers out.
maybe this scale could work

ssj Goku: .5
ssj2 trunks: 1
base black: 1.5 - 2
trunks 100%: 3
ssj black: 3 - 4
ssj2 Vegeta: 4
ssj3 Goku: 4
SSG Goku: 5
SSB Goku/Vegeta: 10

in this scale 10% SSB would be below Black so this scale would work in your favor and it would fix ssj2 Vegeta being too strong.

Also ssj Goku most likely wasn't equal to SSB Vegeta. If he was they probably would of mentioned it. Only after going SSG did he surpass 10% SSB.

and ya the z fighters could beat 17 and 18, but I'm not sure if they would take a majority.

[The gr]

regarding the thread

-cabba super Saiyan or base vs cell game gohan ssj2

-23 Budokai yamcha vs 23 Budokai krillin

[Angelus]

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

They all get destroyed. Cell still had a vast reservoir of power left, you'd need to have a fully healthy Goku on their side as well for them to even stand a chance.

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

Cell takes this, but not easily. ASSJ Vegeta is at most just like a 90-95% of Goku, and Cell without too much energy might be able to make a good battle with those versions of Vegeta and Trunks. However, Cell might end up being the winner. If it was just SSJ Vegeta and Trunks, Cell wins easily obviously.

Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta and Future Trunks, Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Chiaotzu VS Manga Perfect Cell (after regenerating from his torso being blown away by Goku's Kamehameha)

Even in his weakened state, Cell should be more than strong enough to eliminate the team, even if Vegeta is using Grade 2 instead of the regular Super Saiyan. Now if Goku or Gohan were here it would be a different story altogether.

What if Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta starts off insanely enraged as he did when Future Trunks died? Except of course, Future Trunks is alive in this scenario.

Another scenario, same enraged Vegeta turns USSJ and charges a Final Flash to shoot at Cell. Future Trunks and everyone else just holds Cell down. Future Trunks with a full nelson on Cell. Piccolo hugging Cell's legs. Krilin and Chiaotzu holds Cell's right forearm while Yamcha and Tien hold's the left forearm.

[Gog]

I feel like having an interesting match up, also for this battle you have to take into mind that trunks is only ten times stronger than freeza was on namek

Freeza 50% finial augmentation form kaio ken times twenty, vs ultra super Saiyan son trunks cell games arc

[Almighty Majin]

I feel like having an interesting match up, also for this battle you have to take into mind that trunks is only ten times stronger than freeza was on namek

Freeza 50% finial augmentation form kaio ken times twenty, vs ultra super Saiyan son trunks cell games arc

Unless Freeza doesn't get reckless and burns out his energy, I'd say that Trunks burns out first.

Cell (Goku absorbed from GT) vs Shadow Dragons
SSJ3 Broly (assume he survived Movie 10 and got a massive zenkai as well) vs SSJ3 Gotenks
Theoretical SSJ4 Saiyan Saga Vegeta (he achieved SSJ in the Saiyan Saga like the what-if in Budokai 1 and then decided to go Oozaru on Namek) vs Freeza

[mcdjbeatz]

Finial form Coola vs Base form Goku end of z

Goku easily takes this, Goku's base form on Namek was 3,000,000 and after 1 year of training on yardrat, 3 years of training for the androids, 1 year of training with Gohan in the ROSAT, 7 years of training in the afterlife and 10 years of training after Kid Buu's defeat I don't see how Goku couldn't have surpassed final form cooler at the very least.

How do you come to the conclusion he is stronger just because he trained a lot? that's not proof of anything. All that means is base Goku is stronger than he was before. Goku's biggest gains was in the ROSAT. In the 7 years of training in the Buu saga Goku only barely got stronger than teen Gohan (not incudling ssj3). That beans Goku's base in the Buu saga was just a bit stronger than teen Gohan's base. And I really don't see teen Gohan's base being stronger than 100% Frieza or final form Cooler. Not to mention Beerus said base Goku is weaker than Frieza.

Though like I said in my post if you include kaioken Goku wins pretty easily.

Well I came to that conclusion because in the past when Goku has trained he has become significantly stronger, for example in just six days Goku went from 8,000 to 90,0000 on his way to Namek, that is an insane increase in power in just six days, another example is Goku going from 416 to 8,000 in 158 days on King Kai's Planet. Due to these feats I can't see why Goku cannot pull off a similar feat of growing that much stronger in 22 years of training. I wouldn't say that Goku becoming stronger than Teen Gohan at the cell games is a small feat either, after all at the cell games when Gohan transformed he was not only more powerful due to the SSJ2 multiplier which made him as strong as super perfect cell but also he becomes 2x stronger than that due to rage which means he is 4x stronger due to SSJ2 and rage, that way when Gohan's ki is halved it is not completely unbelievable that Gohan is able to overwhelm Cell. As a result Goku becoming stronger than that Gohan is quite a big feat. As for Beerus how could he determine whether Goku could beat Frieza in his base just by tapping him and even if he could Goku would likely be suppressed as he likely tried to suppress himself when he was in King Kai's House because he was trying to hide from Beerus. But suppose your right by saying Goku could not beat Frieza, Beerus states "It doesn't appear to me like you could defeat him as you are" Beerus does not flat out state that Goku could not under any circumstance beat Frieza and seems somewhat unsure, this implies to me that Goku is at least somewhat close to Frieza. That stills leaves six years for Goku to get stronger than Frieza and Cooler which I believe is possible due to the previous training feats that I have listed. But I do agree that kaioken Goku would win against Cooler, not that I would think he would need it.

[dragon boss z]

Goku easily takes this, Goku's base form on Namek was 3,000,000 and after 1 year of training on yardrat, 3 years of training for the androids, 1 year of training with Gohan in the ROSAT, 7 years of training in the afterlife and 10 years of training after Kid Buu's defeat I don't see how Goku couldn't have surpassed final form cooler at the very least.

How do you come to the conclusion he is stronger just because he trained a lot? that's not proof of anything. All that means is base Goku is stronger than he was before. Goku's biggest gains was in the ROSAT. In the 7 years of training in the Buu saga Goku only barely got stronger than teen Gohan (not incudling ssj3). That beans Goku's base in the Buu saga was just a bit stronger than teen Gohan's base. And I really don't see teen Gohan's base being stronger than 100% Frieza or final form Cooler. Not to mention Beerus said base Goku is weaker than Frieza.

Though like I said in my post if you include kaioken Goku wins pretty easily.

Well I came to that conclusion because in the past when Goku has trained he has become significantly stronger, for example in just six days Goku went from 8,000 to 90,0000 on his way to Namek, that is an insane increase in power in just six days, another example is Goku going from 416 to 8,000 in 158 days on King Kai's Planet. Due to these feats I can't see why Goku cannot pull off a similar feat of growing that much stronger in 22 years of training. I wouldn't say that Goku becoming stronger than Teen Gohan at the cell games is a small feat either, after all at the cell games when Gohan transformed he was not only more powerful due to the SSJ2 multiplier which made him as strong as super perfect cell but also he becomes 2x stronger than that due to rage which means he is 4x stronger due to SSJ2 and rage, that way when Gohan's ki is halved it is not completely unbelievable that Gohan is able to overwhelm Cell. As a result Goku becoming stronger than that Gohan is quite a big feat. As for Beerus how could he determine whether Goku could beat Frieza in his base just by tapping him and even if he could Goku would likely be suppressed as he likely tried to suppress himself when he was in King Kai's House because he was trying to hide from Beerus. But suppose your right by saying Goku could not beat Frieza, Beerus states "It doesn't appear to me like you could defeat him as you are" Beerus does not flat out state that Goku could not under any circumstance beat Frieza and seems somewhat unsure, this implies to me that Goku is at least somewhat close to Frieza. That stills leaves six years for Goku to get stronger than Frieza and Cooler which I believe is possible due to the previous training feats that I have listed. But I do agree that kaioken Goku would win against Cooler, not that I would think he would need it.

The more you train the harder it is to get stronger. When you go to the gym and start lifting weights you will get strong quick, but after a while your gains will slow.
Also in the Daizenshuu it states after the Frieza saga they stopped getting big zenkai boosts and focused more on transformations.

In both BoG and Super they have the line of Goku not being able to beat Frieza while in base so I don't really see why we shouldn't take it at face value considering their is nothing that contradicts it. After absorbing god ki though Goku's base is much stronger than Frieza now.

[mcdjbeatz]

regarding the thread

-cabba super Saiyan or base vs cell game gohan ssj2

-23 Budokai yamcha vs 23 Budokai krillin

Base Cabba was equal to Base Vegeta during the tournament as Vegeta stated, "Impressive, so in our normal forms, you're evenly matched with me", later Copy Vegeta was able to defeat SSJ3 Gotenks who was stated to be equal to Vegeta in power. If Vegeta was using the same form in both of these instances then Cabba wins even in base form.

Krillin performed much better against Jackie Chun than Yamcha did showing that Krillin was stronger in the 21st Budokai. After this point I don't believe Yamcha ever surpassed Krillin because of how late Yamcha started his training with Master Roshi, during the 23rd Budokai Krillin performed much better against a stronger opponent being Piccolo than Yamcha performed against Shen. Yamcha might be able to win with his sokidan which caught even Shen offguard but otherwise I believe Krillin wins.

[DanielSSJ]

What if Cell Games ASSJ Vegeta starts off insanely enraged as he did when Future Trunks died? Except of course, Future Trunks is alive in this scenario.

Another scenario, same enraged Vegeta turns USSJ and charges a Final Flash to shoot at Cell. Future Trunks and everyone else just holds Cell down. Future Trunks with a full nelson on Cell. Piccolo hugging Cell's legs. Krilin and Chiaotzu holds Cell's right forearm while Yamcha and Tien hold's the left forearm.

- I don't think Vegeta got any stronger from his anger at that point, so you'd just have a reckless hothead instead of a calm-minded strategist, so the team is even less likely to win.

- Even if he's weakened, I don't think that the group has enough power to actually hold him down. I suppose if Trunks went Grade 3 and put him in a full-nelson, he'd have enough physical strength to restrain Cell. If that's the case, a Grade 3 Final Flash should be powerful enough to finish Cell off, but that's only if it vaporizes his entire body.

[mcdjbeatz]

How do you come to the conclusion he is stronger just because he trained a lot? that's not proof of anything. All that means is base Goku is stronger than he was before. Goku's biggest gains was in the ROSAT. In the 7 years of training in the Buu saga Goku only barely got stronger than teen Gohan (not incudling ssj3). That beans Goku's base in the Buu saga was just a bit stronger than teen Gohan's base. And I really don't see teen Gohan's base being stronger than 100% Frieza or final form Cooler. Not to mention Beerus said base Goku is weaker than Frieza.

Though like I said in my post if you include kaioken Goku wins pretty easily.

Well I came to that conclusion because in the past when Goku has trained he has become significantly stronger, for example in just six days Goku went from 8,000 to 90,0000 on his way to Namek, that is an insane increase in power in just six days, another example is Goku going from 416 to 8,000 in 158 days on King Kai's Planet. Due to these feats I can't see why Goku cannot pull off a similar feat of growing that much stronger in 22 years of training. I wouldn't say that Goku becoming stronger than Teen Gohan at the cell games is a small feat either, after all at the cell games when Gohan transformed he was not only more powerful due to the SSJ2 multiplier which made him as strong as super perfect cell but also he becomes 2x stronger than that due to rage which means he is 4x stronger due to SSJ2 and rage, that way when Gohan's ki is halved it is not completely unbelievable that Gohan is able to overwhelm Cell. As a result Goku becoming stronger than that Gohan is quite a big feat. As for Beerus how could he determine whether Goku could beat Frieza in his base just by tapping him and even if he could Goku would likely be suppressed as he likely tried to suppress himself when he was in King Kai's House because he was trying to hide from Beerus. But suppose your right by saying Goku could not beat Frieza, Beerus states "It doesn't appear to me like you could defeat him as you are" Beerus does not flat out state that Goku could not under any circumstance beat Frieza and seems somewhat unsure, this implies to me that Goku is at least somewhat close to Frieza. That stills leaves six years for Goku to get stronger than Frieza and Cooler which I believe is possible due to the previous training feats that I have listed. But I do agree that kaioken Goku would win against Cooler, not that I would think he would need it.

The more you train the harder it is to get stronger. When you go to the gym and start lifting weights you will get strong quick, but after a while your gains will slow.
Also in the Daizenshuu it states after the Frieza saga they stopped getting big zenkai boosts and focused more on transformations.

In both BoG and Super they have the line of Goku not being able to beat Frieza while in base so I don't really see why we shouldn't take it at face value considering their is nothing that contradicts it. After absorbing god ki though Goku's base is much stronger than Frieza now.

I don't believe that statement applies to Dragon Ball as the main characters' gains actually increase quite significantly as the series progresses, just compare Dragon Ball's earlier arcs to the Saiyan Arc onwards. The gains in those early arcs were quite slow until the saiyan arc where the characters gained more power more quickly than they ever could have before many of those instances were achieved without zenkais. The characters may have shifted their focus to transformations however to actually achieve some of those transformations those characters had to push their limits and become stronger to achieve it. Just look at Gohan, he had to train with Goku in order to achieve Super Saiyan. We did not see Goku's training in the afterlife so we can't assume that Goku did not have to push his limits and become stronger to achieve SSJ3 especially because of how he was able to surpass SSJ2 Teen Gohan. Just because they stopped getting zenkais doesn't mean they cannot get replicate the training feats they were able to achieve without the aid of zenkais, for example Goku on King Kai's planet or Goku on the way to Namek.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I feel like having an interesting match up, also for this battle you have to take into mind that trunks is only ten times stronger than freeza was on namek

Freeza 50% finial augmentation form kaio ken times twenty, vs ultra super Saiyan son trunks cell games arc

Trunks gets destroyed, Grade 3 makes him too slow to win.

Cell (Goku absorbed from GT) vs Shadow Dragons
SSJ3 Broly (assume he survived Movie 10 and got a massive zenkai as well) vs SSJ3 Gotenks
Theoretical SSJ4 Saiyan Saga Vegeta (he achieved SSJ in the Saiyan Saga like the what-if in Budokai 1 and then decided to go Oozaru on Namek) vs Freeza

-Syn and Nuova can stomp Cell.

- Broly gets oneshotted.

- He can beat Frieza's first 3 forms but he gets oneshotted by Final Form Frieza.

That is a extremely bad inconsistency in the manga of Super. The fact that ssj2 Vegeta is multiple times stronger than ssj3 Goku would already be bad enough and most likely not intended, but if ssj goku was equal to 10% of SSB Vegeta and if the multipliers are still the same then ssj3 Goku would be 80% of SSB Vegeta, meaning that ssj2 Vegeta is stronger than 100% SSB Vegeta.

maybe if Trunks didn't use his supercharged ss2 form against base Black then it could make sense. Also we need to throw multipliers out.
maybe this scale could work

ssj Goku: .5
ssj2 trunks: 1
base black: 1.5 - 2
trunks 100%: 3
ssj black: 3 - 4
ssj2 Vegeta: 4
ssj3 Goku: 4
SSG Goku: 5
SSB Goku/Vegeta: 10

in this scale 10% SSB would be below Black so this scale would work in your favor and it would fix ssj2 Vegeta being too strong.

Also ssj Goku most likely wasn't equal to SSB Vegeta. If he was they probably would of mentioned it. Only after going SSG did he surpass 10% SSB.

and ya the z fighters could beat 17 and 18, but I'm not sure if they would take a majority.

But after sparring with Goku, Trunks told him that Black was even stronger than him, and when Vegeta fights Black he says he's stronger than Goku too. It's clearly implied that SSJ2 Vegeta is far above Goku.

Also, SSJ Goku was definitely at least close to SSBlue Vegeta since Hit's timeskip doesn't work on people who are much stronger than him.

Hit: 10
SSJ Goku: 10.5
SSBlue Vegeta (10%): 12