"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Sandubadear]

Thats like saying that just because I get to go vip on a plan with my superiors or them lending me one of their "special" pens makes me one of them.

If putting a bloody earing on is enough to official make Zamasu a kaiosin then he and Black have both been ones since the arc started.

Whis and Beerus say that the Time Ring can only be used by Kaioshins, apparently it wouldn't work if Freeza or someone other tried to steal the ring to use it. If Zamasu can use the ring, it's obvious that he is a Kaioshin.

[Lord Frieza]

Thats like saying that just because I get to go vip on a plan with my superiors or them lending me one of their "special" pens makes me one of them.

If putting a bloody earing on is enough to official make Zamasu a kaiosin then he and Black have both been ones since the arc started.

Whis and Beerus say that the Time Ring can only be used by Kaioshins, apparently it wouldn't work if Freeza or someone other tried to steal the ring to use it. If Zamasu can use the ring, it's obvious that he is a Kaioshin.

In hind sight yes you and others are right. Forgive me, I have a good memory (almost photographic at times) but some details do slip my mind.

[Helios518]

Gowasu pretty bluntly said that he was temporarily promoting Zamasu to a full Kaioshin when he lent Zamasu the Potara. So it seems, technically, it really is as simple as having the proper ear bling. I suppose the idea is that only the Shinjin who would be becoming Kaioshin should have access to them anyway, so why not make it that easy?

So would that make Vegetto technically a Kaioshin?

[MagmonKai]

Gowasu pretty bluntly said that he was temporarily promoting Zamasu to a full Kaioshin when he lent Zamasu the Potara. So it seems, technically, it really is as simple as having the proper ear bling. I suppose the idea is that only the Shinjin who would be becoming Kaioshin should have access to them anyway, so why not make it that easy?

So would that make Vegetto technically a Kaioshin?

Not likely, Gowasu made it seem like all you needed was a Potara, but that was the requirement for Zamasu (he was a Kaio). Then you'd have to ask your self: Is the current U7 Kaioshin not one since he gave his earrings away? No. So, I'm sure there is more to the title than just some earring, like you have to physically be of the Kaio race to actually reap the benefits of the "Kaioshin" role, like time ring use and kaikai...etc.

[Lord Frieza]

Gowasu pretty bluntly said that he was temporarily promoting Zamasu to a full Kaioshin when he lent Zamasu the Potara. So it seems, technically, it really is as simple as having the proper ear bling. I suppose the idea is that only the Shinjin who would be becoming Kaioshin should have access to them anyway, so why not make it that easy?

So would that make Vegetto technically a Kaioshin?

An interesting idea, Black is technically not a Shinjin ether yet he can use the time ring. However Black has proven to be a very special case.

Its likely that under normal circumstances only members of the Shinjin are affected this way. From what I've seen there are lots of restrictions to stop mortals abusing god power and items, that explains a lot when you consider that the Hakioshin are selected from mortals, but little to no defenses in place to stop Shinjin from doing so.

[Makai]

Maybe only Shinjin can use the time ring? So Zamasu could've used it without the earring, he just didn't have the right to because he wasn't officially a kaioshin? Also, Black is technically still a kaioshin, cause he's still Zamasu, just switched bodies, which is probably why he can use it.

[Sandubadear]

An interesting idea, Black is technically not a Shinjin ether yet he can use the time ring. However Black has proven to be a very special case.

Its likely that under normal circumstances only members of the Shinjin are affected this way. From what I've seen there are lots of restrictions to stop mortals abusing god power and items, that explains a lot when you consider that the Hakioshin are selected from mortals, but little to no defenses in place to stop Shinjin from doing so.

Black was already a Kaioshin before changing bodies, so he still kept the "job" even after the body change. Vegetto never was and never will be a Shin-jin, so he's just some weirdo using the Potara.

[Lord Frieza]

An interesting idea, Black is technically not a Shinjin ether yet he can use the time ring. However Black has proven to be a very special case.

Its likely that under normal circumstances only members of the Shinjin are affected this way. From what I've seen there are lots of restrictions to stop mortals abusing god power and items, that explains a lot when you consider that the Hakioshin are selected from mortals, but little to no defenses in place to stop Shinjin from doing so.

Black was already a Kaioshin before changing bodies, so he still kept the "job" even after the body change. Vegetto never was and never will be a Shin-jin, so he's just some weirdo using the Potara.

I guess among other things, they are designed to identify acceptable users.

These earings are very powerful items, they promote you to kaioshin (if your of the right race), let you use time rings and allow fusion. I wonder who came up with the idea for them (in universe I mean)? There very versatile tools, hell if they had actually thought about it the U7 kaioshin could have all fused and beat Buu. But among other things giving up your own individuality is a very hard choice to make, as many characters in this series have shown.

[Sandubadear]

I guess among other things, they are designed to identify acceptable users.

These earings are very powerful items, they promote you to kaioshin (if your of the right race), let you use time rings and allow fusion. I wonder who came up with the idea for them (in universe I mean)? There very versatile tools, hell if they had actually thought about it the U7 kaioshin could have all fused and beat Buu. But among other things giving up your own individuality is a very hard choice to make, as many characters in this series have shown.

Old Kaioshin said that you can only use the Potara fusion "once", meaning a Potara fusion (Kibitoshin, for example), wouldn't be able to fuse with someone else (like the South Kaioshin).

[TheDevilsCorpse]

We don't really know at this point. It's possible that there were other things that needed to be done up to the point where he became a Kaioshin-in-training that rendered Zamasu a proper Kaioshin once he had a Potara a (his race or ki type, a ritual from when he was a Kaio, etc), and that those remained intact enough for Black after switching bodies...?

Or perhaps it is just the Potara, and even Vegetto would be a "Kaioshin". On a technicality, of course. It's possible that he could quality to use a Time Ring, but he presumably would have no desire to actually take on the role and the other gods probably wouldn't knowingly let him anyway.

Old Kaioshin said that you can only use the Potara fusion "once", meaning a Potara fusion (Kibitoshin, for example), wouldn't be able to fuse with someone else (like the South Kaioshin).

Herms and I discussed this a while back. It's possible that he meant you can only use it once in a lifetime in the sense that Goku should cease to exist after becoming Vegetto, but that doesn't mean Vegetto couldn't potentially fuse with someone else.

[Noah]

Where is saying that Vegetto has some kind of a weakness? It could be that the fusion cannot stand the power of Super Saiyan Blue?

[Chuquita]

Vegetto was so balanced and indestructible (save for the air inside Buu that defused him) I can't imagine what his weakness would be outside of something that could magically defuse him back into Gokû and Vegeta.

[jjgp1112]

Perhaps it's a way to retroactively explain why the properties of Buu's stomach defused him too? Like, him being a fusion of two mortals rather than two Kais makes the fusion more unstable?

[HeroR]

Vegetto was so balanced and indestructible (save for the air inside Buu that defused him) I can't imagine what his weakness would be outside of something that could magically defuse him back into Gokû and Vegeta.

Almost any character looks balanced and indestructible when paired with a much weaker opponent. Merged Zamasu will be Vegetto's first real battle.

[vashter]

The moment Merge Zamasu blast a beam at Vegeta for sheilding Trunks I think that where started to hurt unless they use the beans before fuse

[GodVegetto91]

It doesn't make any sense at all for Vegetto to have trouble sustaining SSJ Blue. Because SSJ Blue is the most stable and controlled SSJ Form. (Stated) when Goku tried to use Kaioken. So Forget the Manga! with Toyotaro needlessly adding that tidbit about the downside of SSJ Blue because he doesn't have one! What happens in the manga has absolutely no bearing on the anime.
MSSJ and SSJ Blue are the two most stable and ki-controlled versions of SSJ out there! No question. And there would be no point at all for them to nerf Vegetto thay way who used to be the ultimate warrior.

[Cetra]

It doesn't make any sense at all for Vegetto to have trouble sustaining SSJ Blue. Because SSJ Blue is the most stable and controlled SSJ Form. (Stated) when Goku tried to use Kaioken. So Forget the Manga! with Toyotaro needlessly adding that tidbit about the downside of SSJ Blue because he doesn't have one! What happens in the manga has absolutely no bearing on the anime.
MSSJ and SSJ Blue are the two most stable and ki-controlled versions of SSJ out there! No question. And there would be no point at all for them to nerf Vegetto thay way who used to be the ultimate warrior.

Of course a God Vegetto would say that.

[alakazam^]

I'd like to point out that his weakness isn't one that a Potara fusion has, so it must be something characteristic to the individual/s that fused.

[Zamasu55]

That interview states Beerus > Merged Zamasu AND SsjB Vegito.
I feel sorry for the poor dudes in the in the all-purpose versus thread.

[Grimlock]

Here it is that image of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Vegetto. It also explains Merged Zamasu, it would be nice to get a translation... If one can read, that is.

[spoiler][/spoiler]