The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:37 pm

Dorodabo vs Piccolo (Movie 3)

Who do you think can win?

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:32 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:Dorodabo vs Piccolo (Movie 3)

Who do you think can win?
Piccolo is stated right in the movie to have a battle power of 18,000, the same as Saiyan Arc Vegeta. The movie, Super Saiyan Son Goku, seems to have it's characters picked out of the Ginyu section of the Freeza Arc, and Slugs minions are probably around the same strength as the three mid-tier Ginyu members. Unfortunately, Piccolo gets stomped into the dirt.
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Post by DBZ Macky » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:41 pm

1. Current Goku vs. Vegeta (equal battle powers)
2. Shin vs. Kibito (equal battle powers)
3. Yakon vs. Abo & Kado
4. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn (equal battle powers)
5. Beerus vs. Vegetto
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:33 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:Dorodabo vs Piccolo (Movie 3)

Who do you think can win?
Piccolo is stated right in the movie to have a battle power of 18,000, the same as Saiyan Arc Vegeta. The movie, Super Saiyan Son Goku, seems to have it's characters picked out of the Ginyu section of the Freeza Arc, and Slugs minions are probably around the same strength as the three mid-tier Ginyu members. Unfortunately, Piccolo gets stomped into the dirt.
Agreed. Although that's Weighted Piccolo. Piccolo full power would be a x1.27 multiplier (the same as the one in the Raditz arc, between 328 to 408, Piccolo's power), so Piccolo's full power would be around 23K. Dorodabo is 39.5K, so yes, unlike what happened in Movie 4, here Piccolo doesn't stand a chance.
DBZ Macky wrote:1. Current Goku vs. Vegeta (equal battle powers)
2. Shin vs. Kibito (equal battle powers)
3. Yakon vs. Abo & Kado
4. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn (equal battle powers)
5. Beerus vs. Vegetto
1. Goku would win due to his better fighting style and techniques.
2. Maybe Shin due to his magic techniques.
3. Well, Abo and Kado are just 1st Form Frieza tier. While Yakon, if we use the x50 multiplier for SSJ, would be weaker than Frieza. If I use the x2.5 multiplier I have for the Buu saga, Yakon might be around Piccolo. So Yakon wins easily.
4. Tenshinhan due to his techniques, although Krillin has kienzan.
5. Vegetto wins for me. I just can't have him below Beerus.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:49 pm

DBZ Macky wrote:1. Current Goku vs. Vegeta (equal battle powers)
2. Shin vs. Kibito (equal battle powers)
3. Yakon vs. Abo & Kado
4. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn (equal battle powers)
5. Beerus vs. Vegetto
1: Goku, he's just the better fighter.
2: Shin, he's shown more techniques.
3: Yakon stomps, he's in the same league as Base Goku.
4: Kuririn is more tactical, he should take the win.
5: We don't know, Vegetto probably gets wrecked.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:32 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote:1. Current Goku vs. Vegeta (equal battle powers)
2. Shin vs. Kibito (equal battle powers)
3. Yakon vs. Abo & Kado
4. Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn (equal battle powers)
5. Beerus vs. Vegetto
1: Goku, he's just the better fighter.
2: Shin, he's shown more techniques.
3: Yakon stomps, he's in the same league as Base Goku.
4: Kuririn is more tactical, he should take the win.
5: We don't know, Vegetto probably gets wrecked.
Pretty much this, though I think Tien may beat Krillin.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:51 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:Agreed. Although that's Weighted Piccolo. Piccolo full power would be a x1.27 multiplier (the same as the one in the Raditz arc, between 328 to 408, Piccolo's power), so Piccolo's full power would be around 23K. Dorodabo is 39.5K, so yes, unlike what happened in Movie 4, here Piccolo doesn't stand a chance.
I don't think that there is a consistent unweighted power boost.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:57 pm

DanielSSJ wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:Agreed. Although that's Weighted Piccolo. Piccolo full power would be a x1.27 multiplier (the same as the one in the Raditz arc, between 328 to 408, Piccolo's power), so Piccolo's full power would be around 23K. Dorodabo is 39.5K, so yes, unlike what happened in Movie 4, here Piccolo doesn't stand a chance.
I don't think that there is a consistent unweighted power boost.
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Post by Angelus » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:06 pm

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Post by nickzambuto » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:25 am

Kid Gohan vs Dabura?

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Post by DBZ Macky » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:28 am

nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
Everything points towards Kid Gohan being stronger. I don't think anything implies Dabra was stronger.
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Post by nickzambuto » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:32 am

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nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
Everything points towards Kid Gohan being stronger. I don't think anything implies Dabra was stronger.
The fact that he was a decent bit stronger than adult Gohan. It just depends on exactly how much weaker you think Gohan got. Goku also said Dabura was about as strong as Cell, but then took it back and said he's way stronger. There's debate on SPC vs SSJ2 Gohan, but if Dabura was STRONGER than SPC, then that gives him good odds of being stronger or at least on par with Gohan. Plus, he has the stone spit.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:36 am

nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
Depends on what Super Saiyan form Gohan is in. Dabra's about as strong as full power Perfect Cell, so if Gohan is Super Saiyan 1, he would put up a good fight, but ultimately lose. If it's Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, he would easily crush the King of Demons.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 am

nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
I have Gohan as a SSJ against Dabura. Considering Dabura was being compared to Cell, I doubt Kid Gohan as a SSJ would beat him, but it's possible that they were equals, but Dabura has magic so Gohan would probably lose. If it's SSJ2 Gohan, he would win.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:59 pm

nickzambuto wrote:
DBZ Macky wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
Everything points towards Kid Gohan being stronger. I don't think anything implies Dabra was stronger.
The fact that he was a decent bit stronger than adult Gohan. It just depends on exactly how much weaker you think Gohan got. Goku also said Dabura was about as strong as Cell, but then took it back and said he's way stronger. There's debate on SPC vs SSJ2 Gohan, but if Dabura was STRONGER than SPC, then that gives him good odds of being stronger or at least on par with Gohan. Plus, he has the stone spit.
That can be the case, but I interpret the fight differently.
The way I've always seen it is that Dabra was a bit weaker than Gohan but was "tougher" because of his magic.
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Post by RedShift » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:04 pm

Heres one you don't nomrally see...

Bojack vs Dabura

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Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:10 pm

RedShift wrote:Heres one you don't nomrally see...

Bojack vs Dabura
I have Bojack winning, since Bojack was clearly defeating SSJ Gohan, and Dabura was fighting nearly equally with a weaker SSJ Gohan.

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Post by RedShift » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:53 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
RedShift wrote:Heres one you don't nomrally see...

Bojack vs Dabura
I have Bojack winning, since Bojack was clearly defeating SSJ Gohan, and Dabura was fighting nearly equally with a weaker SSJ Gohan.
I think Bojack has a bit more raw power, but Dabura has other abilities that could edge Bojack out in a fight. The "Was Gohan SS2 against Dabura" is something that has been beaten into the ground and I don't feel like rehashing it. The Manga seems to imply he was, with the anime making things unclear.

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Post by DanielSSJ » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:28 pm

RedShift wrote:The Manga seems to imply [something], with the anime making things unclear.
The anime does that a lot in the Boo Arc.

To answer you're question, I'd say that Dabra and Bojack are on roughly even terms when it comes to raw power, but that Dabra has other magic abilities to fall back on and that he's just a better fighter all around. The victory goes to the King of Demons.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:46 am

nickzambuto wrote:Kid Gohan vs Dabura?
With ssj2 Gohan wins

Without ssj2, Dabura wins.
RedShift wrote:Heres one you don't nomrally see...
Bojack vs Dabura
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Bojack seemed to be weaker than Cell, and Dabura was compared to Cell plush he has stone spit and other magic.

Dabura wins.

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