Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[fadeddreams5]

Can we please stop arguing about the damn laser already? This is starting to turn into another "which Buu is really the strongest" or "can Cell destroy the solar system" type of issue.

Can Sorbet's laser destroy the solar system?

[Polyphase Avatron]

Can we please stop arguing about the damn laser already? This is starting to turn into another "which Buu is really the strongest" or "can Cell destroy the solar system" type of issue.

Can Sorbet's laser destroy the solar system?

Only if the solar system lets its guard down.

[dbzfan7]

Can we please stop arguing about the damn laser already? This is starting to turn into another "which Buu is really the strongest" or "can Cell destroy the solar system" type of issue.

Can Sorbet's laser destroy the solar system?

Only if the solar system lets its guard down.

And then we'll bitch about it some more...and I'll make some more vids.

[fadeddreams5]

Can we please stop arguing about the damn laser already? This is starting to turn into another "which Buu is really the strongest" or "can Cell destroy the solar system" type of issue.

Can Sorbet's laser destroy the solar system?

Only if the solar system lets its guard down.

And... sig'd.

[MagicBox]

Somehow I came across a post of mine from back in July (Holy crap, has it been that long?!) with the following prediction for DBZ Movie '15:

Oh, and I'm calling it! Shoko Nakagawa's coming back. I don't know how, I don't know where. But they'll cram her in there somehow.

I'm still licking my wounds from being so horribly wrong with that "alternate reality wish" hypothesis, so it feels good to have been right about something.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So we get confirmation of when the film is coming to US theaters, as well as a teaser trailer, and of course all people can still talk about is the freaking laser. Yeah, sounds about right. *sigh*

I missed out getting to see Battle of Gods in theaters due to me and my girlfriend's conflicting work/days off schedule, but with this one getting more days from the start, I'm hoping something will work out better this time.

[dbzfan7]

So we get confirmation of when the film is coming to US theaters, as well as a teaser trailer, and of course all people can still talk about is the freaking laser. Yeah, sounds about right. *sigh*

DUDE!...Sharks are way better with fricken laser beams attached to their fricken heads. Don't tell yourself otherwise.

[dbgtFO]

Where are people finding excerpts from the script?

Also I find it funny, how Freeza is now the strongest villain in Z, given that Z is ending and we now will be getting a new series. All those years with people arguing back and forth about how the Freeza arc was where it should have ended and how Freeza was the best villain or how it didn't make sense, some androids surpassed his power and everybody making fun of his power(even Goku in the 2008 special). Well turns out we do end Z with Goku killing him, with Freeza being the strongest villain, making a mockery of all prior villains that came after him and needing the intervention of Gods to spoil his Victory.
If I wouldn't have known any better, I would've thought this story was written by a Freeza fanboy. Who knows, maybe Toriyama might just be one after all...

[Doctor.]

Chris Ayres' voice sounded a whole lot like Nakao's in the Funimation trailer.

If I wouldn't have known any better, I would've thought this story was written by a Freeza fanboy. Who knows, maybe Toriyama might just be one after all...

I don't think Toriyama would have kept mentioning Freeza in every arc after his appearance (sometimes multiple times), mentioning him in the JSAT special, BoG and now having him come back super strong if he didn't like him very much.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Chris Ayres' voice sounded a whole lot like Nakao's in the Funimation trailer.

The clip of Freeza powering up in the teaser is from the Japanese version of the film. Not surprising, considering they've only just finished recording their lines for the dub.

[Doctor.]

Chris Ayres' voice sounded a whole lot like Nakao's in the Funimation trailer.

The clip of Freeza powering up in the teaser is from the Japanese version of the film. Not surprising, considering they've only just finished recording their lines for the dub.

Oh, then that was misleading

[dbgtFO]

If I wouldn't have known any better, I would've thought this story was written by a Freeza fanboy. Who knows, maybe Toriyama might just be one after all...

I don't think Toriyama would have kept mentioning Freeza in every arc after his appearance (sometimes multiple times), mentioning him in the JSAT special, BoG and now having him come back super strong if he didn't like him very much.

Of course he likes him, but there is a difference between that and being a fanboy.

[ShadowWolf87]

Sure, just call it bad writing then. It's strong enough to pierce SSGSS Goku, but it's never explained why, or how some random soldier could get such a powerful weapon; and it was said that Freeza had a backup plan but it's never concretely stated what it is.

"Some random soldier"

Why are we insisting Freeza's new second in command is some random soldier that somehow got ahold of an uber weapon? Again, that was Freeza's backup plan. He had this ready in case he lost. One would think he probably factored in that it would have to be used on someone strong enough to end Buu and have it powered up accordingly. This is not reaching, this is not baseless speculation, it's supported by what we know and what we see on-screen. I mean what, do we need a full monologue explaining how or why he planned on using that ring to cripple Goku if he started to lose, complete with flashback?

[Doctor.]

Sure, just call it bad writing then. It's strong enough to pierce SSGSS Goku, but it's never explained why, or how some random soldier could get such a powerful weapon; and it was said that Freeza had a backup plan but it's never concretely stated what it is.

"Some random soldier"

Why are we insisting Freeza's new second in command is some random soldier that somehow got ahold of an uber weapon? Again, that was Freeza's backup plan. He had this ready in case he lost. One would think he probably factored in that it would have to be used on someone strong enough to end Buu and have it powered up accordingly. This is not reaching, this is not baseless speculation, it's supported by what we know and what we see on-screen.

Because Sorbet is a random soldier. He has a name, and is more relevant than the others who fought the Dragon Team, but he's still a soldier who's so ridiculously below everyone else in terms of power, and someone Freeza could only faintly remember. Replace Sorbet with Appule, and what different result would you get? He has no defining characteristic, he's not memorable at all, he is a random soldier with a name just like Appule was.

If Freeza's army could build a weapon strong enough to damage someone who could beat Boo, then why would Freeza even have the need to train? That is speculating, it's not backed up by any official information, you're picking dialogue lines here and there, some information here and there and mashing it all up together to form a theory on what supposedly happened.

We know Freeza had a back-up plan, yes. Is it explicitly stated what it is and what it consists of? No, that's what matters.

I mean what, do we need a full monologue explaining how or why he planned on using that ring to cripple Goku if he started to lose, complete with flashback?

No, but we need to know why he got a hold of such a "powerful" weapon, if it really is powerful. And if it's some random gun not special at all, then it remains that Goku was stupid and the way to remove him out of the fight was also stupid. Would a line from Freeza saying "I charged up Sorbet's ring with some of my energy before the fight, just in case" be reaaally that hard to fit in?

[Mewzard]

It could simply be a weapon designed to pierce enemies more easily than most attacks. It could have a weakness of relative slow speed, so it's only effective if someone's guard is quite a bit down (both for easier penetration and to actually hit a target).

Of course, this topic has been talked about to death and is quite frankly getting ridiculous.

I'd rather talk about something else at this point, like Goku's character. Goku had to learn the hard way what his "enjoy battles over finishing a foe quickly" attitude could cost him. Do you guys think this lesson will stick with him for long? And if so, should it be reflected in Super?

I did like the comparison that while Vegeta's wound too tight, Goku's too loose as it were, too relaxed when he should be a little more tense in a battle.

[Doctor.]

Do you guys think this lesson will stick with him for long? And if so, should it be reflected in Super?

I did like the comparison that while Vegeta's wound too tight, Goku's too loose as it were, too relaxed when he should be a little more tense in a battle.

I don't think this will impact Goku's character at all, based on previous events. He should have gotten less cocky after his lesson with Popo yet this movie raises his cockiness to the max and he should have learned to end a fight when he needs to back with Freeza in the Namek arc, yet he doesn't do that here. I'm afraid he'll just regress/forget about the lesson again in Super, because that's who Goku is, a character that has had plenty of opportunities to develop, you can make an argument that he does, but you'll be proven wrong eventually. Dragon Ball is a series that plays it safe with its characters, so I doubt this will mean anything in the long-run in regards to Goku's character.

[SansrivaaL]

It could simply be a weapon designed to pierce enemies more easily than most attacks. It could have a weakness of relative slow speed, so it's only effective if someone's guard is quite a bit down (both for easier penetration and to actually hit a target).

Of course, this topic has been talked about to death and is quite frankly getting ridiculous.

I'd rather talk about something else at this point, like Goku's character. Goku had to learn the hard way what his "enjoy battles over finishing a foe quickly" attitude could cost him. Do you guys think this lesson will stick with him for long? And if so, should it be reflected in Super?

I did like the comparison that while Vegeta's wound too tight, Goku's too loose as it were, too relaxed when he should be a little more tense in a battle.

I dont think that will change him (the enjoy battles over finishing a foe quickly) the guy will forever prolong battles for his enjoyment, what I do know that might actually change is his relaxed style in a battle, I doubt he would be so careless again (thats the whole point of the movie)

[Mewzard]

I don't think this will impact Goku's character at all, based on previous events. He should have gotten less cocky after his lesson with Popo yet this movie raises his cockiness to the max and he should have learned to end a fight when he needs to back with Freeza in the Namek arc, yet he doesn't do that here. I'm afraid he'll just regress/forget about the lesson again in Super, because that's who Goku is, a character that has had plenty of opportunities to develop, you can make an argument that he does, but you'll be proven wrong eventually. Dragon Ball is a series that plays it safe with its characters, so I doubt this will mean anything in the long-run in regards to Goku's character.

That was several decades ago, you'll recall.

Maybe it's unlikely, but I like the idea of seeing Goku's character grow.

I dont think that will change him (the enjoy battles over finishing a foe quickly) the guy will forever prolong battles for his enjoyment, what I do know that might actually change is his relaxed style in a battle, I doubt he would be so careless again (thats the whole point of the movie)

That would be interesting to see. I wonder if it would also reflect in his training of Uub down the line...

[Doctor.]

I like the idea of seeing Goku's character grow, too. I'm just saying that I doubt it'll happen in any significant manner and if it does, don't expect a radical change.

The major growth Goku went through was accepting his Saiyan heritage.

[Lord Frieza]

Where are people finding excerpts from the script?

Also I find it funny, how Freeza is now the strongest villain in Z, given that Z is ending and we now will be getting a new series. All those years with people arguing back and forth about how the Freeza arc was where it should have ended and how Freeza was the best villain or how it didn't make sense, some androids surpassed his power and everybody making fun of his power(even Goku in the 2008 special). Well turns out we do end Z with Goku killing him, with Freeza being the strongest villain, making a mockery of all prior villains that came after him and needing the intervention of Gods to spoil his Victory.
If I wouldn't have known any better, I would've thought this story was written by a Freeza fanboy. Who knows, maybe Toriyama might just be one after all...

As a Frieza fanboy from childhood that suites me right down to the ground.