The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[apex_pretador]

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Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon vs Goku (Kaioken x3) and Vegeta (Oozaru) (Saiyan Arc)

Ginyu Force vs Kuririn and Tenshinhan (Mecha Frieza)

First Form Frieza vs All Saiyans (Oozaru) + his entire army at the same time

Second Form Frieza vs Gohan (No rage boost), Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Yamcha (In the middle of the 3 year training period)

Third Form Frieza vs Pui Pui

Final Form Frieza (Initial) vs Base Vegeta (Energy absorbed by 19)

Final Form Frieza (50%) vs Base Goku (Cell Games)

Final Form Frieza (70%) vs Base Goku (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frieza (100%) vs SSJ Goku (Heart virus) (Androids Arc)

First Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs Buuhan

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSJ3 Vegetto

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSG Goku (BoG)

Vegeta literally stomps them to oblivion while goku guards the tail.
Krillin kills them all, then tien vaporizes them with a kikoho
Freeza blows up the planet, or a lot of large dead bodies here
Gohan alone is strong enough to match him. With help, they win.
Freeza kills him with a tap
Freeza wins.
Freeza lolstomps
Freeza lolstomps
Freeza wins because Goku goes out before he does
Buuhan easily
SS3 vegetto is too much for freeza, unless he powers up to 100%
Goku one shots

Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?

R1- Old
R2- Young

The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?

Keep in mind the following:

1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.

That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.

Well, considering that SS Goku-vegeta jumped like 4 tiers, and assuming that crane-roshi get a similar kind of boost, then they surpass the following:

- Tien/Goku (a tier above roshi)
- Old daimao half power
- Old daimao full power
and prove to be a (little) challenge for young daimao. Daimao would have to get serious to beat the fusion.

Post Majin SSj2 Vegeta vs Perfect Cell Full Power and Dabura Full Power

Vegeta kills them both with a single blow

Piccolo (made 25% more powerful) VS SSJ Future Trunks
[Both Androids Saga. No weighted clothing for Piccolo. No sword for Trunks. No whistling]

Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) VS SSJ Vegeta (Androids Saga)
[Vegeta arrives at Gingertown only after Cell has left. Imagine if their paths crossed when Vegeta was flying towards Gingertown and saw Cell]

The power gap is still not covered. Trunks wins after a bloody battle.

Cell beats up vegeta and absorbs his power.

Super Saiyan Goku [Androids arc(Beginning)] vs First Form Cell (No Human Absorbtions)

Base Gogeta vs Mr Boo

Zeno vs Arale

Cell slaps goku around before he absorbs his power.

Base gogeta should be comfortably above mr buu.

Zeno

Here are some fights:

- Android #13 vs. SSJ Future Gohan.
- Cooler (final form) vs. Piccolo (Android arc).
- SSJ3 Son Goku (Boo arc) vs. Oob (beginning of GT).
- Gotenks-Boo vs. Vegeta (base, Resurrection F).

Android 13 was able to more than match SS goku, he wins with little trouble.

Piccolo is not strong enough to tangle with fully powered cold brothers or the super saiyans. Cooler wins.

Uub wins without too much problems. Kid buu is already above goku, and I presume uub has reached full power of kid buu.

Close match, giving this to vegeta only because of time limit.

Boo arc hypothetical Gokhan vs Super Saiyan God Goku

You can make GokHan dance with vegetto, then go up to Super Saiyan 3, then KaioKen x20 and SSG goku will still win easily.

[TheUltimateNinja]

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Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon vs Goku (Kaioken x3) and Vegeta (Oozaru) (Saiyan Arc)

Ginyu Force vs Kuririn and Tenshinhan (Mecha Frieza)

First Form Frieza vs All Saiyans (Oozaru) + his entire army at the same time

Second Form Frieza vs Gohan (No rage boost), Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Yamcha (In the middle of the 3 year training period)

Third Form Frieza vs Pui Pui

Final Form Frieza (Initial) vs Base Vegeta (Energy absorbed by 19)

Final Form Frieza (50%) vs Base Goku (Cell Games)

Final Form Frieza (70%) vs Base Goku (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frieza (100%) vs SSJ Goku (Heart virus) (Androids Arc)

First Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs Buuhan

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSJ3 Vegetto

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSG Goku (BoG)

Vegeta literally stomps them to oblivion while goku guards the tail.
Krillin kills them all, then tien vaporizes them with a kikoho
Freeza blows up the planet, or a lot of large dead bodies here
Gohan alone is strong enough to match him. With help, they win.
Freeza kills him with a tap
Freeza wins.
Freeza lolstomps
Freeza lolstomps
Freeza wins because Goku goes out before he does
Buuhan easily
SS3 vegetto is too much for freeza, unless he powers up to 100%
Goku one shots

- Vegeta would be too slow since Oozaru has the same speed as his base form, he'd only be fast enough to hit Cui. Goku could kill Dodoria but Zarbon would still be a problem.

- Kuririn is likely around 110-120,000 at best right now, and Tenshinhan is probably around 60-70k. The fight won't be as easy as you're making it seem, Ginyu can match Kuririn on his own, and though Tenshinhan is stronger than the rest individually, Recoome, Burter and Jeice at the same time would be difficult even for him, especially since he also has Guldo's time freeze and telekinesis to deal with.

- Probably.

- WIthout a rage boost? I don't know if Gohan's quite that strong in his normal state just yet.

- Vegeta would own Frieza just as easily as he did Pui Pui, so they're probably in the same tier.

- Frieza was about equal to Namek Goku, and even though Vegeta lost a lot of energy to 19 I don't think he dropped below Namek Goku.

- Goku is over 3x stronger than Vegeta (Post RoSAT) who himself is close to 3x his Pre-RoSAT self who surpassed Goku (Pre-RoSAT) who is considerably stronger than Yardrat Goku who is stronger than Trunks who is stronger than Namek Goku. At the very least Goku should be close to 60 million by now.

- Buu Arc Goku outclassed Kid Gohan who was much stronger than Cell Arc Goku.

- Maybe.

[ryan1227]

Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon vs Goku (Kaioken x3) and Vegeta (Oozaru) (Saiyan Arc)

Ginyu Force vs Kuririn and Tenshinhan (Mecha Frieza)

First Form Frieza vs All Saiyans (Oozaru) + his entire army at the same time

Second Form Frieza vs Gohan (No rage boost), Kuririn, Tenshinhan and Yamcha (In the middle of the 3 year training period)

Third Form Frieza vs Pui Pui

Final Form Frieza (Initial) vs Base Vegeta (Energy absorbed by 19)

Final Form Frieza (50%) vs Base Goku (Cell Games)

Final Form Frieza (70%) vs Base Goku (Buu Arc)

Final Form Frieza (100%) vs SSJ Goku (Heart virus) (Androids Arc)

First Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs Buuhan

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSJ3 Vegetto

Final Form Frieza (Resurrection F) vs SSG Goku (BoG)

1. Vegeta was confident that in his Oozaru form, he could kill Kaioken x3 Goku. Vegeta should stomp them all into the ground easily.

2.Kuririn would solo them all on his own imo.

3. No one would even break 200,000. Excluding any Body Change shenanigans, Freeza should have a field day here.

4. At this point I think the team should be at the level where they can take down this Freeza.

5. Pui Pui wins effortlessly. I think being at Third Form Freeza level would be rather underwhelming if he was supposed to beat up guys who could give a decent amount of energy to Boo.

6. Vegeta should still have more than enough energy left to whoop Freeza.

7. Goku kills him effortlessly.

8. Same as above.

9. I think Goku can take him down before he runs out of gas.

10. Freeza might edge it out power-wise, but Boo has regen and the candy beam. I'd give it to Boo.

11. Freeza kills him with a tap.

12. Freeza wins pretty easily, based off of Kuririn's comment.

[TheUltimateNinja]

7. Goku kills him effortlessly.

8. Same as above.

12. Freeza wins pretty easily, based off of Kuririn's comment.

7 & 8: I don't know about effortlessly, by my numbers Goku has a 25% advantage over Frieza in both of these scenarios, the same as SSJ Goku against Frieza and he had some trouble back then.

12: Don't know about this one either, F Base Goku probably isn't that much stronger than BoG SSGod Goku, and Frieza was losing to Base Goku so he's most likely at the same level as SSGod Goku.

[ryan1227]

12: Don't know about this one either, F Base Goku probably isn't that much stronger than BoG SSGod Goku, and Frieza was losing to Base Goku so he's most likely at the same level as SSGod Goku.

I think that Kuririn said that Goku and Freeza's ki was completely different than it was back in the fight against Beerus. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[TheUltimateNinja]

12: Don't know about this one either, F Base Goku probably isn't that much stronger than BoG SSGod Goku, and Frieza was losing to Base Goku so he's most likely at the same level as SSGod Goku.

I think that Kuririn said that Goku and Freeza's ki was completely different than it was back in the fight against Beerus. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I thought he only said that about Goku, I'll have to double check. Anyway, back then they were still going by the 6-10-15 thing, so I doubt Goku became so much stronger that Frieza would be able to easily beat BoG Goku despite losing to F Goku.

[nickzambuto]

Kame-Tsuru (fusion between Kame Sennin and Tsuru Sennin) vs Daimao?

R1- Old
R2- Young

The two had a very strong rivalry so I'm wondering just how many tiers they could jump as a fusion?

Keep in mind the following:

1. Tenshinhan never went all out against Roshi. Roshi was actually in awe of Goku and Ten's full capabilities.
2. Old Daimao was strong enough to utterly brutalize Goku, without even using half of his power.
3. Full power old Daimao would therefore be twice as strong as that.
4. Young Daimao watched Goku kill Drum with one kick, Drum probably being a little weaker than his 50% old self. Yet even after that amazing feat, he was confident he could kill Goku in five seconds.
5. He was wrong and Goku tossed him around. Yet he was still cocky and simply assumed he only had to power up more.

That's a lot of tiers in between Roshi and Young Daimao, let alone the weaker Crane.

Well, considering that SS Goku-vegeta jumped like 4 tiers, and assuming that crane-roshi get a similar kind of boost, then they surpass the following:

- Tien/Goku (a tier above roshi)
- Old daimao half power
- Old daimao full power
and prove to be a (little) challenge for young daimao. Daimao would have to get serious to beat the fusion.

ONLY four tiers? I presume there's a tier or two in between SSJ1 and SSJ2 (that's where regular Perfect Cell was, compared to SSJ1 Goku and then SSJ2 Gohan back at the Cell Games) and probably a tier or two between SSJ2 and SSJ3 (that's where Fat Boo was). But even disregarding that, at the bare bones minimum, Goku and Vegeta jumped this many people:

(1)- SSJ1 Goku
(2)- SSJ2
(3)- SSJ3
(4)- Evil/Super Boo
(5)- Gohan
(6)- Boohan
(7)- SSJ1 Vegetto

He went from tier 1 to tier 7. That's assuming there's nothing in between all three Super Saiyan levels, and that Gohan and Bootenks were in the same tier, and that Vegetto himself is only one tier above Boohan even though that was possibly the most onesided curbstomp in the whole series.

HOWEVER, even by my own reasoning, that doesn't guarantee a win for Kame-Tsuru. You would have to argue how deep their rivalry is compared to Goku and Vegeta's, and I think that's the interesting aspect of this question.

[TheUltimateNinja]

ONLY four tiers? I presume there's a tier or two in between SSJ1 and SSJ2 (that's where regular Perfect Cell was, compared to SSJ1 Goku and then SSJ2 Gohan back at the Cell Games) and probably a tier or two between SSJ2 and SSJ3 (that's where Fat Boo was). But even disregarding that, at the bare bones minimum, Goku and Vegeta jumped this many people:

(1)- SSJ1 Goku
(2)- SSJ2
(3)- SSJ3
(4)- Evil/Super Boo
(5)- Gohan
(6)- Boohan
(7)- SSJ1 Vegetto

He went from tier 1 to tier 7. That's assuming there's nothing in between all three Super Saiyan levels, and that Gohan and Bootenks were in the same tier, and that Vegetto himself is only one tier above Boohan even though that was possibly the most onesided curbstomp in the whole series.

HOWEVER, even by my own reasoning, that doesn't guarantee a win for Kame-Tsuru. You would have to argue how deep their rivalry is compared to Goku and Vegeta's, and I think that's the interesting aspect of this question.

Tiers are a pretty bogus way of measuring power, past a certain point characters get completely dominated to the extent that you can't tell if it's a 2x gap or a 20x gap, as such the gaps between some of those tiers are pretty huge simply because there's no one in between to fill in some more tiers.

[Gog]

Killa V Jewel

[ssbgoku]

Ok, after watching episode 72 of dbs, let's put dbs gohan to test against frieeza . It is gauntlet style, so let's discuss how far gohan can reach.

1) rof ss gohan vs rof frieeza
2) rof ss2(if he could transform into) gohan vs rof frieeza
3) current ss gohan vs rof frieeza
4) current ss2(again if he can) gohan vs rof frieeza

IMO:

1) stops at second form
2) stops at third form being a bit supperior to second form or tie
3) stops at second form of frieeza(being a bit below or tie)
4) stops at final form frieeza, possibly wining against third form frieeza.

Keep in mind: Current gohan is shown to be at least base goku's level and Back in rof while being in first form frieeza was concerned and angry when gohan went ss which was supposed to express he may be weaker(just reference to his battle with goku, but now in first form). Also If people are gonna bring copy water arc vegeta filler then it is as true and important as this filler of gohan vs goku duel.

[apex_pretador]

- Vegeta would be too slow since Oozaru has the same speed as his base form, he'd only be fast enough to hit Cui. Goku could kill Dodoria but Zarbon would still be a problem.

- Kuririn is likely around 110-120,000 at best right now, and Tenshinhan is probably around 60-70k. The fight won't be as easy as you're making it seem, Ginyu can match Kuririn on his own, and though Tenshinhan is stronger than the rest individually, Recoome, Burter and Jeice at the same time would be difficult even for him, especially since he also has Guldo's time freeze and telekinesis to deal with.

- Probably.

- WIthout a rage boost? I don't know if Gohan's quite that strong in his normal state just yet.

- Vegeta would own Frieza just as easily as he did Pui Pui, so they're probably in the same tier.

- Frieza was about equal to Namek Goku, and even though Vegeta lost a lot of energy to 19 I don't think he dropped below Namek Goku.

- Goku is over 3x stronger than Vegeta (Post RoSAT) who himself is close to 3x his Pre-RoSAT self who surpassed Goku (Pre-RoSAT) who is considerably stronger than Yardrat Goku who is stronger than Trunks who is stronger than Namek Goku. At the very least Goku should be close to 60 million by now.

- Buu Arc Goku outclassed Kid Gohan who was much stronger than Cell Arc Goku.

- Maybe.

Why would Ozaru speed = regular speed?

Didn't factor in ginyu. With ginyu, the team wins because in worst case scenario, he can just change.

Gohan reached base saiyans level in android arc. Right in the middle of the training, he shouldnt be too far from it.

And he would own raditz just as easily as well, so?

Vegeta dropped to a level where #20 could have beaten him. Piccolo, who is weaker than freeza, wtfstomped dr gero after he absorbed energy.

By my numbers, 50% freeza is still stronger than goku in BoG who has surpassed mystic gohan/SS3 gotenks.

Well, considering that SS Goku-vegeta jumped like 4 tiers, and assuming that crane-roshi get a similar kind of boost, then they surpass the following:

- Tien/Goku (a tier above roshi)
- Old daimao half power
- Old daimao full power
and prove to be a (little) challenge for young daimao. Daimao would have to get serious to beat the fusion.

ONLY four tiers? I presume there's a tier or two in between SSJ1 and SSJ2 (that's where regular Perfect Cell was, compared to SSJ1 Goku and then SSJ2 Gohan back at the Cell Games) and probably a tier or two between SSJ2 and SSJ3 (that's where Fat Boo was). But even disregarding that, at the bare bones minimum, Goku and Vegeta jumped this many people:

(1)- SSJ1 Goku
(2)- SSJ2
(3)- SSJ3
(4)- Evil/Super Boo
(5)- Gohan
(6)- Boohan
(7)- SSJ1 Vegetto

He went from tier 1 to tier 7. That's assuming there's nothing in between all three Super Saiyan levels, and that Gohan and Bootenks were in the same tier, and that Vegetto himself is only one tier above Boohan even though that was possibly the most onesided curbstomp in the whole series.

HOWEVER, even by my own reasoning, that doesn't guarantee a win for Kame-Tsuru. You would have to argue how deep their rivalry is compared to Goku and Vegeta's, and I think that's the interesting aspect of this question.

Well, IMO they jumped from SS1 tier to SS5 tier. I'd say buuhan is a buu arc SS4 tier, and super-buu is solidly above SS3 goku but below gohan/gotenks who are about in the middle of SS3 & SS4 tier.

It is pretty clear that they did not have rivalry as much intense as goku-vegeta. So, even if we put gohan'gotenks in a different tier, even then my point about crane/roshi jumping to 4 tiers still stands du to inferior rivalry.

[Gog]

SS2 Gokule V SSJ Vegito.

The battle of the two ultimate fusions

[DanielSSJ]

Why would Ozaru speed = regular speed?

I have a vague recollection of Goku saying that Vegeta's speed hadn't changed when he transformed.

SS2 Gokule V SSJ Vegito.

The battle of the two ultimate fusions

Fusing with Goku actually limits the Champ's power by a lot, enough that Super Vegetto can scrape out a win. If Mr. Satan fought him on his own, he would've won in an instant.

[apex_pretador]

Why would Ozaru speed = regular speed?

I have a vague recollection of Goku saying that Vegeta's speed hadn't changed when he transformed.

SS2 Gokule V SSJ Vegito.

The battle of the two ultimate fusions

Fusing with Goku actually limits the Champ's power by a lot, enough that Super Vegetto can scrape out a win. If Mr. Satan fought him on his own, he would've won in an instant.

From what I remember, goku said he didn't slow down a bit.

[DanielSSJ]

From what I remember, goku said he didn't slow down a bit.

He didn't slow down, but that doesn't mean that he sped up either.

[Ki Breaker]

We don't have any information, still, fuck it

Broly vs Lady broly

Power level is maximum

[DBZ Macky]

We don't have any information, still, fuck it

Broly vs Lady broly

Power level is maximum

Fem!Broli stomps. Broli's power is maximum and comparable to a Cell Games Arc Super Saiyan.
Fem!Broli's power is maximumer and comparable to Super Saiyan Blue.

[Alruneia]

We don't have any information, still, fuck it

Broly vs Lady broly

Power level is maximum

Broly and Brolyne annihilate each other under D4C rules. As in, only one Legendary Super Saiyan can exist in the same dimension at one time.

[apex_pretador]

We don't have any information, still, fuck it

Broly vs Lady broly

Power level is maximum

Hulk wins because he's the strongest one there is.

[Gog]

Actually since I know Apex-Predator was on Comic Vine.

World Breaker Hulk Vs Broly