TheUltimateNinja wrote:nickzambuto wrote:Hulk vs Broli has always been the stupidest matchup and showing of how much people underestimate Dragon Ball.
Hulk's greatest power is planet busting. He has very few feats beyond that. Broli is a damn galaxy buster.
These are two completely different tiers.
He didn't blow it up all at once. Plus he's weaker than Super Perfect Cell who's Solar System busting.
That's the flaw with all these debates involving the movies. Everyone - and I mean
everyone - commits a certain fallacy. The same exact fallacy every time. This certain way of thinking has just been ingrained in Dragon Ball's community to the point where we don't even think about it anymore, but it truly is a fallacy.
That fallacy is,
assuming Broli takes place right before the Cell Games.
Broli is a movie. Broli is not canon. Akira Toriyama himself stated that the movies take place "in a different dimension" and that he is entirely "part of the audience" for them.
So we can not combine the movies with the manga storyline. As much as we'd like to, they really do not fit. The idea that Broli takes place during the 10 day wait for the Cell Games is an entirely
fan-made myth. It is headcanon. Not once in the movie is Cell mentioned, are the Cell Games mentioned, does anybody mention anything similar to "Only X days left now!" Nothing is even implied. It is its own continuity. The writers obviously were not planning on the film taking place before the Cell Games, otherwise Goku and Gohan would have been Super Saiyans.
So we have to judge Broli based solely off his own continuity.
And in that continuity he is a galaxy buster.
No, actually, he's a
casual galaxy buster. He's an almost
effortless galaxy buster, because the South Galaxy that he is "attacking" during the film is not just one galaxy. It's actually the South Quadrant. It's an entire quadrant of the universe. It's 1/4 of the universe, and it contains many galaxies in itself. In the beginning of the movie, we very blatantly, very obviously see Broli shutting down an entire galaxy, with hundreds of stars visible on-screen.
And this is nothing new. The movies always overpower the characters. SSJ3 Goku made the entire afterlife quake during Fusion Reborn. That's the size of our universe. But, as you yourself pointed out, in the actual canon, Super Perfect Cell was a solar system buster. Is SSJ3 Goku one hundred billion times stronger than Super Perfect Cell? Probably not. In the manga, he only made the planet quake. It's the movies that exaggerated things.
And it's not just that the feats happen to be arbitrarily greater in the movies. No, Toei is doing it
on purpose. Because even the stated power levels are higher. Tree of Might, which came out during the Saiyans arc era, has Piccolo with a power level of 18,000, and Goku with, what, 30,000? Even though their counterparts at the time were like, 3,000 and 8,000.
Cell is a solar system buster and Broli is a galaxy buster.
Boo is... somewhere higher than Cell, somewhere between solar system and galaxy (which is a large space to occupy). Janemba is outright universal.
In conclusion, Broli is underrated and was pretty much the strongest Dragon Ball character until gods showed up. Which makes complete sense and was the entire point, he fulfilled the actual legend of the Super Saiyan, which demanded he be the mightiest warrior in the universe.
