Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

I don't really care about the power aspect of the discussion, but the Kamehameha is a ki attack. What's important is the way the ki is manipulated by the user, not the specific firing method. I mean, we've seen the Kamehameha shot traditionally as a beam, we've seen it fired from the feet, with one hand, as orbs against Freeza, etc. It's still a Kamehameha though. However, Toriyama describes the ring as a ray gun or whatever, which means the different firing positions could theoretically have entirely different functions for the device.

Yeah...theory. By all means treat it as one. Theories don't mean just making things up, they can be based on evidence. I only hate when theories are treated as fact. By all means it could have different modes. Personally that excuse still wouldn't be good enough for me since that would fix none of my problems, but whatever.

I'm at a loss as to how Goku's strength being taken into account when making that plan wouldn't fix any of your "problems" but then again I'm not surprised.

Well good for you, by all means enjoy a poorly easily fixable scene. The rant has gone on enough here, especially since there was a cease and desist.

[UpFromTheSkies]

There's really nothing to discuss here, the ring nearly took out SSGSS Goku which means it's something very extraordinary, unless you think Goku is secretly a weakling. And yes, Freeza did say it was a "mere laser cannon", but that's obviously a lie meant to mock Goku, unless, again, you think he's really a weakling.

[dbzfan7]

There's really nothing to discuss here, the ring nearly took out SSGSS Goku which means it's something very extraordinary, unless you think Goku is secretly a weakling. And yes, Freeza did say it was a "mere laser cannon", but that's obviously a lie meant to mock Goku, unless, again, you think he's really a weakling.

Or it could simply be a screw up because Toriyama has never been known for consistency...ever. Looking back at the manga you can find plenty more errors as bad as the ring if not worse than that. And seriously how do we cease and desist if the topic won't be put to bed? I think we're gonna get warnings if we keep this up here so it's best we not discuss this here.

[batistabus]

Not sure if this has been posted on this thread yet, but here's a very recent interview segment of Chris Sabat recording Vegeta lines for "Resurrection F" at Okratron 5000. Even some small sneak peak lines and footage have been shown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CQpLXlj6vc

It kind of sounds like Sabat is using a voice more similar to his "Z" portrayal of Vegeta than his "Kai" version. It seems very strange and unlikely that he would be using that type of delivery for that movie (as he used the Kai voice for BOG), so unless that is happening (please no), then I see two possibilities.

-The lines are just weird, and he won't sound like that most of the time in normal speech. Also, we're not hearing them in context.
-The lines have already been recorded, and Sabat was just half-ass dubbing them for the sake of the interview.

[Retan]

Maybe he just wanted it so they could tell he was performing or something, cause I sure hope he's not going back to the "British janitor on drugs" (Or however VeggetoEX once put it a long time ago ) for Vegeta.

[Dbzfan94]

Not sure if this has been posted on this thread yet, but here's a very recent interview segment of Chris Sabat recording Vegeta lines for "Resurrection F" at Okratron 5000. Even some small sneak peak lines and footage have been shown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CQpLXlj6vc

It kind of sounds like Sabat is using a voice more similar to his "Z" portrayal of Vegeta than his "Kai" version. It seems very strange and unlikely that he would be using that type of delivery for that movie (as he used the Kai voice for BOG), so unless that is happening (please no), then I see two possibilities.

-The lines are just weird, and he won't sound like that most of the time in normal speech. Also, we're not hearing them in context.
-The lines have already been recorded, and Sabat was just half-ass dubbing them for the sake of the interview.

I wouldn't mind the "Z voice" returning as i personally like it a little better.

[Mewzard]

Those were scenes with sarcasm and aggravation, I don't think they're exactly a fair judge compared to, say, normal conversation, where Sabat's voice changed the most.

[danielsan_190196]

"Resurrection F" advertising on a Peruvian street.

[Blade]

Not sure if this has been posted on this thread yet, but here's a very recent interview segment of Chris Sabat recording Vegeta lines for "Resurrection F" at Okratron 5000. Even some small sneak peak lines and footage have been shown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CQpLXlj6vc

It kind of sounds like Sabat is using a voice more similar to his "Z" portrayal of Vegeta than his "Kai" version. It seems very strange and unlikely that he would be using that type of delivery for that movie (as he used the Kai voice for BOG), so unless that is happening (please no), then I see two possibilities.

-The lines are just weird, and he won't sound like that most of the time in normal speech. Also, we're not hearing them in context.
-The lines have already been recorded, and Sabat was just half-ass dubbing them for the sake of the interview.

I wouldn't mind the "Z voice" returning as i personally like it a little better.

I know that this issue does spark a lot of debate, but I see it as essentially coming down to three things:

1) Sabat is no longer attempting to mimic another actor, he's made the voice his own.
2) His voice has lowered naturally with age. It happens.
3) He's a much, much better actor now.

So really, as far as I see it, the "Z Voice" isn't coming back. I know that fans of the original will want the sounding aesthetic of his voice to be identical, and to conform to whatever fixed image they have of how Dragonball Z "should sound", but let's be honest here - there's no deliberate ploy at play to change the sound of the characters in any particular direction, the change in the voices is just part of a natural, organic thing.

I mean heck, it's not like Wakamoto in the Japanese cast, who literally doesn't try any more (where in the case of Xenoverse, he didn't even show up at the studio to record his lines). Even Nakao was pretty slack in Kai, but having said that, from what I've heard of his performance in RoF, that may simply have been due to him feeling some fatigue from churning over the same material endlessly, and by giving him something new to put his teeth into, he was subsequently able to give a stronger performance.

[Cold Skin]

There is some potentially disturbing news from France, although everyone involved seems to be a bit in a blur right now!

Apparently, there is a chance that Resurrection 'F' will not get a French dub for the theatrical release, or will simply ditch all of the usual voices in order for a totally new voice cast - unrelated to Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Kai and Battle of Gods - to suddenly take over.

Either way, it still remains to be confirmed, but Eric Legrand (official French voice actor for Vegeta) posted on his facebook:
"Well, there we go, for those asking me about it, it seems I have an answer: I've heard tonight (and it seems very reliable to me) that we won't be doing the Resurrection 'F' movie.
That being said, I do not know if there will still be a French dub, and if there is one, I don't know where it will be done".

Website Mes-series.fr also said on their Facebook page:
"Attention, Dragon Ball Z fans: on the contrary of the initial plans, Resurrection 'F' will not be dubbed in France but in Belgium, much like Captain Harlock and Saint Seiya."
(hard to say if they relate to the newest productions of those two other shows/movies)
However, Toei Animation Europe says they have no information on this statement (but they say they are internally looking into this, due to a maelstrom of messages they received about it), and Eric Legrand himself reacted: "People say here and there that the movie will officially be dubbed in Belgium... Where the hell did they get that so-called 'official' info???"

No official announcement yet, but Eric Legrand said the info about not being involved seemed very reliable to him.
It is unknown if a French dub with the original voice cast will be recorded later as an incentive to buy the DVD / Blu-ray, or what it implies for the upcoming TV series Dragon Ball Super.

But it sure seems like a weird and unexpected situation.
Wherever you are in the world, picture your local dub and imagine all voices suddenly being replaced by unknown voices from one production to the direct sequel.
Imagine for example if the English voices you hear in the next movie, the next episode and the next video game were switched to all unknown voices all of a sudden.

Anyway, all that we know for now is that Vegeta's French voice actor Eric Legrand said the usual cast will apparently not be involved with Resurrection 'F'.
Waiting for more official announcements and explanations.

[Vegard Aune]

Wherever you are in the world, picture your local dub and imagine all voices suddenly being replaced by unknown voices.
Imagine for example if the English voices you hear in the next movie, the next series and the next video game were switched to all unknown voices all of a sudden.

I remember this happening in Norway with the Digimon movie. Mind you, that was a lesser problem compared to how ungodly awful that dub was in general. It was based off the US version so of course it was pretty much an entirely different movie from the three Japanese films it was cobbled together from, completely ridiculous and unfitting voices all around, and sound-mixing so dreadful that it was almost impossible to hear what was being said half the time due to them adding excessive echo-effects on everything... I guess due to the existence of the Finnish dub it's still not the worst dub that franchise has gotten, but it's still really, really, really horrid.

[Dbzfan94]

I wouldn't mind the "Z voice" returning as i personally like it a little better.

I know that this issue does spark a lot of debate, but I see it as essentially coming down to three things:

1) Sabat is no longer attempting to mimic another actor, he's made the voice his own.
2) His voice has lowered naturally with age. It happens.
3) He's a much, much better actor now.

So really, as far as I see it, the "Z Voice" isn't coming back. I know that fans of the original will want the sounding aesthetic of his voice to be identical, and to conform to whatever fixed image they have of how Dragonball Z "should sound", but let's be honest here - there's no deliberate ploy at play to change the sound of the characters in any particular direction, the change in the voices is just part of a natural, organic thing.

I mean heck, it's not like Wakamoto in the Japanese cast, who literally doesn't try any more (where in the case of Xenoverse, he didn't even show up at the studio to record his lines). Even Nakao was pretty slack in Kai, but having said that, from what I've heard of his performance in RoF, that may simply have been due to him feeling some fatigue from churning over the same material endlessly, and by giving him something new to put his teeth into, he was subsequently able to give a stronger performance.

I think Sabat stopped imitating Drummomd around Cell anyway. I know he's a much better actor now and he's great in Kai, I just like his Buu Saga Z voice a little more. Nostalgia? Yeah, probably. But I still like it.

[ShadowWolf87]

I mean heck, it's not like Wakamoto in the Japanese cast, who literally doesn't try any more (where in the case of Xenoverse, he didn't even show up at the studio to record his lines).

Wait he did what?

[ABED]

I think Sabat stopped imitating Drummomd around Cell anyway. I know he's a much better actor now and he's great in Kai, I just like his Buu Saga Z voice a little more. Nostalgia? Yeah, probably. But I still like it.

It's definitely better by the Buu arc, but the only thing stopping it from being as good as it could be, in my estimation, was the gravelly delivery.

[SansrivaaL]

This sounds a bit stupid but I just noticed that Sabat also voiced Kuwabara from YYH... I am so mind blown right now...
on a side note hope we see Sean's version.

[Blade]

I mean heck, it's not like Wakamoto in the Japanese cast, who literally doesn't try any more (where in the case of Xenoverse, he didn't even show up at the studio to record his lines).

Wait he did what?

It's speculated due to rather band-limited frequency range of the recordings of his lines, that he recorded them with a very cheap microphone, probably at home into a budget computer microphone.

[Doctor.]

Wait, wait, I just remembered something.

Goku told Gohan repeatedly in the Cell Games to kill Cell while he had the chance.

Wow, what a hypocrite.

[fadeddreams5]

Wait, wait, I just remembered something.

Goku told Gohan repeatedly in the Cell Games to kill Cell while he had the chance.

Wow, what a hypocrite.

Goku was less merciful after the Frieza saga when he knew the opponent posed a threat.

Nowadays, he's regressed. I think his increase in power has made him increasingly more cocky, even at the expense of others.

[FortuneSSJ]

Wait, wait, I just remembered something.
Goku told Gohan repeatedly in the Cell Games to kill Cell while he had the chance.
Wow, what a hypocrite.

Not really.
Saiyans ,the stronger they become, more cocky they get. t was always like that

It was happening with Gohan back then and is still happening with Goku in these new stuff.
The problem was that Cell could regenerate and had a lot of different cells in him, which made his abilities unpredictable. And he still ended up checkmate Gohan with his SelfDestruction. The guy you're calling hypocrite saved the day right there.

Besides Freeza getting gold, Goku already knew that he didn't had such abilities. Adult Goku was never ruhtless compared to Kid Goku either.
But why bothering writing this?! Goku killed him in the end.

[Doctor.]

Wait, wait, I just remembered something.

Goku told Gohan repeatedly in the Cell Games to kill Cell while he had the chance.

Wow, what a hypocrite.

Goku was less merciful after the Freeza saga when he knew the opponent posed a threat.

Nowadays, he's regressed. I think his increase in power has made him increasingly more cocky, even at the expense of others.

I'm aware, I've made multiple arguments, in this forum and out, that Goku developed to be a less merciful person after Freeza betrayed him. When the scene was leaked, you can't believe how mad I got, lol. It goes completely against one of the original lessons of the Dragon Ball manga that Roshi tried to teach Goku but didn't feel like he needed to learn it (and a lesson that BoG pushed forth, too): "There's always someone stronger, so don't get cocky". It also goes completely against Popo's training because Goku being cocky was his downfall in his first match against Popo, too, and he learned not to overestimate his abilities or underestimate his opponent.