The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Gog]

Base Vegeta (Super Manga) vs Kid Goku in lifting strength.

He easily out paces Goku

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

That's a low end feat, not representative of the characters full abilities. Case in point 40 tons and Goku

[TheUltimateNinja]

That's a low end feat, not representative of the characters full abilities. Case in point 40 tons and Goku

It is representative of his full abilities since he was trying his hardest there and couldn't do shit. Also, the SEG said the reason Goku had difficulty lifting 40 tons was because it's a lot harder to lift things when you're flying.

[Gog]

That's a low end feat, not representative of the characters full abilities. Case in point 40 tons and Goku

It is representative of his full abilities since he was trying his hardest there and couldn't do shit. Also, the SEG said the reason Goku had difficulty lifting 40 tons was because it's a lot harder to lift things when you're flying.

I know, and besides did we ever get a specification how how heavy Magnetta is? He could be 40 million tons, it just has to be over 10,000 tons

[TheUltimateNinja]

I know, and besides did we ever get a specification how how heavy Magnetta is? He could be 40 million tons, it just has to be over 10,000 tons

In that case they would have used a much higher number for comparison instead of saying he weighs over 1,000 tons. His weight is 1,500 tons at best.

[Gog]

I know, and besides did we ever get a specification how how heavy Magnetta is? He could be 40 million tons, it just has to be over 10,000 tons

In that case they would have used a much higher number for comparison instead of saying he weighs over 1,000 tons. His weight is 1,500 tons at best.

That's a low end feat. You don't take those into consideration.

[saunasolmu]

Base Vegeta (Super Manga) vs Kid Goku in lifting strength.

He easily out paces Goku

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

Lifting against resistance is entirely different. I can bench press the weight of anybody's leg, but trying to lift olympic wrestlers leg? Not gonna happen.

[RehBeh]

Hit VS. Professor Zoom. Who's making the doughnuts?

[nickzambuto]

Base Vegeta (Super Manga) vs Kid Goku in lifting strength.

He easily out paces Goku

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

Damn.

[apex_pretador]

Super Perfect Cell Freeza potara fusion (Ceeza?) V SSJ Vegetto

Freeza-Cell blows up the planet.

Otherwise, it isn't fair unless we're using current freeza, even then it is unfair, because we would need to use current vegetto.

No love for Ceeza

To be fair, Vegetto is far and away the strongest character in the original manga. You'd be hard-pressed to beat him without resorting to the godly powered characters from Super.

Okay, sine Vegetto is pretty powerful, lets try another fusion.

Ceeza V Gogeta.

Can the Ceeza finally pull a win?

Not really unless he blows up the planet.

Fuck, Ceeza can use Coola's fifth form. Come on... Come on...

Still not enough.

Boo SSGSS Goku Absorbed VS. Commeson-Copy Vegeta.

Copy vegeta wins because I don't think Buu could sustain god ki well enough (see what happens with fat kaioshin), let alone such an absurd amount of god ki.

Mystic Goku (Buu saga) V SS4 Goku (Buu saga)

There is no way yo tell how strong a "mystic" goku would be. Anyways, I would still put him about even with, if not above SS3 gotenks and below Gohan. SS4 Goku would end up to be a bit stronger, but not enough that Mystic goku can;t bridge with kaioken.
Red aura monkey fries the tailed monkey with a 10x KK kamehameha

Been trying to think of a good match up for Goku and came up with this.

Goku vs.......Mongul!




Background:
[spoiler][spoiler]
Goku feels a strange and powerful ki while training with Whis and goes to investigate. Teleporting, he finds himself on Warworld, a giant, planet sized space weapon and comes face with the tyrant Mongul. Mongul and Warworld have come to this universe due to a tear in the fabric of reality. Goku can sense that Mongul is not a good person but eagerly wants to fight him. Mongul was initially shocked and angered at Goku's sudden appearance but he can also tell that Goku is a warrior and strong. Mongul loves combat himself and decides to humor the saiyan, not only for the fun of battle but also to gauge the powers and abilities of this universes life forms.

Setting:

A Warworld gladiator arena with a barrier over it to stop stray attacks or Goku flying to high. However it is high enough for Goku to fly around mostly unimpaired.

Edit: the fights battle ground is only the starting point, it can escalate beyond the arena if need be.

Mongul's Powers, weapons and Skills:

Super Strength: Mongul had physical strength greater than Superman (said to rival Darkseid); Superman was only able to beat him in a fight once, while Mongul himself overwhelmed Superman numerous times. Mongul has also beaten Hal Jordan, Supergirl & Martian Manhunter with just pure brute force and broke out of inertron; the hardest material in the universe with ease.

Super Durability: Proven tough enough to take heavy blows from uninhibited Kryptonians, Amazonian Demigoddesses, an artillery barrage from yellow lantern's and survive impalement from on a New God's blade

Super Speed, Stamina, Agility and Leaping are all on a level that lets him keep pace with Superman. He cannot fly however.

Regenerative Healing Factor: to an unknown degree, Mongul has shown to be capable of recovering from a great deal of physical trauma. Such as getting dragged upon the rough metallic surface of war world, being impaled on sword and seemingly much worse.

Heat Vision:


Tactical Genius: Mongul was also a very intelligent and cunning foe capable of using the hatred, anger or underlying aggression and negative emotions of others to serve his purposes.

Psychological Mastery: Mongul is, was and forever will be a master manipulator of conscious and subconscious minds. Able to incorporate incredulous fear tactics in order to move a populated planets ruling powers, citizenry or even national armies to his advantage.

Expert Combatant: Mongul was also a superb combatant able to take on entire teams of heroes alone and still come out on top.

Amoral: Mongul has total lack of respect for life. He had little to no respect for other beings' lives and would do anything to accomplish his goals, even destroying entire worlds.

Chest Cannon Module: He usually has an armament affixed to his broad chest that can discharge destructive energy waves to which he can incinerate even the mightiest of adversaries.

We will not be including the Black Mercy or Yellow Power ring.

Who wins?[/spoiler][/spoiler]

Goku at this point would humiliate mongul alongwith darkseid and doomsday while barely trying.

I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour

What about Freeza vs Superman instead? I did a whole debate thread on comicvine (I represented freeza, and although lost, everyone who voted said it was close)

Yeah hunter prey doomsday is stronger than Vegetto. Also I have a new match up in mind, one that I was afraid of doing at first.

World war Hulk (capable of World breaker mode) V Vegetto (1 to 3)

Okay, so, let's do this.

World War hulk, who was turned into a bloody mesh and ragdollde around by sentry who with his "power of 100 million exploding suns" has destroyed planets at best and fought him to stalemate vs Vegetto, much stronger, faster with way superior energy projection and teleportation? Hulk gets slaughtered.

I wouldn't imagine them to, as the saiyans are literally humans. But it was probably just a gag

I was thinking of it as a gag...."Why isn't Goku here!"....Radiation sickness.

It was Gagology, new battle.

Hulk Goku fusion (Hulku) V Screwattack Superman

Normal logic: With Hulk's strength and durability, Goku's speed and destructive output, Superman gets manhandled and saiyanhandled and hulk-smashed.
Screwattack logic: Superman is limitless, so he wins, doesn't matter who is he facing.

Hit VS. Professor Zoom. Who's making the doughnuts?

Prof Zoom probably drops hit in some alternate timeline where a certain overgrown kid destroyed a universe for no apparent reason.

[Gog]

Still not enough.

Sniff, no love for Ceeza

I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour

What about Freeza vs Superman instead? I did a whole debate thread on comicvine (I represented freeza, and although lost, everyone who voted said it was close)

Precrises? Or the new one? Precrisis superman is SS3 tier+

Yeah hunter prey doomsday is stronger than Vegetto. Also I have a new match up in mind, one that I was afraid of doing at first.

World war Hulk (capable of World breaker mode) V Vegetto (1 to 3)

Okay, so, let's do this.

World War hulk, who was turned into a bloody mesh and ragdollde around by sentry who with his "power of 100 million exploding suns" has destroyed planets at best and fought him to stalemate vs Vegetto, much stronger, faster with way superior energy projection and teleportation? Hulk gets slaughtered.

Stronger than Hulk? Really Vegetto's best strength feat is causing earthquakes around the world while he casually pummeled the pink out of super Buu, and even then we don't actually know if it ever caused earthquakes around the world. Hulk on the other hand, a weaker incarnation of Hulk was capable of holding an object with the weight of a sun. Calling Vegetto stronger than him is simply incorrect. And if your going to go that route, than I can say that Vegetto is only continent level at best as hes never actually destroyed any planets.

I was thinking of it as a gag...."Why isn't Goku here!"....Radiation sickness.

It was Gagology, new battle.

Hulk Goku fusion (Hulku) V Screwattack Superman

Normal logic: With Hulk's strength and durability, Goku's speed and destructive output, Superman gets manhandled and saiyanhandled and hulk-smashed.
Screwattack logic: Superman is limitless, so he wins, doesn't matter who is he facing.[/quote]

All I can say to this is 'Hulk smash'

[apex_pretador]

Still not enough.

Sniff, no love for Ceeza

I issue thee a challenge like no other.

I would like to see Goku V Superman with actual proper proof backing why Goku beats Super man.

So I get to read something interesting of course. It would be even better if someone would argue in Super man's favour

What about Freeza vs Superman instead? I did a whole debate thread on comicvine (I represented freeza, and although lost, everyone who voted said it was close)

Precrises? Or the new one? Precrisis superman is SS3 tier+

Yeah hunter prey doomsday is stronger than Vegetto. Also I have a new match up in mind, one that I was afraid of doing at first.

World war Hulk (capable of World breaker mode) V Vegetto (1 to 3)

Stronger than Hulk? Really Vegetto's best strength feat is causing earthquakes around the world while he casually pummeled the pink out of super Buu, and even then we don't actually know if it ever caused earthquakes around the world. Hulk on the other hand, a weaker incarnation of Hulk was capable of holding an object with the weight of a sun. Calling Vegetto stronger than him is simply incorrect. And if your going to go that route, than I can say that Vegetto is only continent level at best as hes never actually destroyed any planets.


No, Stronger than unstable sentry, who stalemated this hulk.

And no weaker incarnation of hulk has been able to lift object weight of the sun. I hope you're not talking about the instance in infinity where he was taken by Thanos's goons.

[Gog]

No, Stronger than unstable sentry, who stalemated this hulk.

And no weaker incarnation of hulk has been able to lift object weight of the sun. I hope you're not talking about the instance in infinity where he was taken by Thanos's goons.

You mean unstable sentry who Hulk was beating? And never went all out against? That one? Really

Yes a weaker incarnation of Hulk was capable of carrying the weight of a sun, yes that's what I'm talking about.

[apex_pretador]

No, Stronger than unstable sentry, who stalemated this hulk.

And no weaker incarnation of hulk has been able to lift object weight of the sun. I hope you're not talking about the instance in infinity where he was taken by Thanos's goons.

You mean unstable sentry who Hulk was beating? And never went all out against? That one? Really

Yes a weaker incarnation of Hulk was capable of carrying the weight of a sun, yes that's what I'm talking about.

Hulk stalemated sentry, and Sentry was harming hulk pretty fine. Hulk held back initially, but later, he started fighting much harder.

Indestructible hulk isn't weaker than WWH. Debatably, he's stronger, and he has indeed performed better against adamantium bullets than WWH did.



Crossover battles:

- Goku (after training with Roshi), no weakness of tail vs Spiderman (peter parker), no armor
Goku can't use kamehameha and spidey can't use webs.

- Beerus vs Thanos (full power). No TP, win by death or KO.

[Gog]

Hulk stalemated sentry, and Sentry was harming hulk pretty fine. Hulk held back initially, but later, he started fighting much harder.

Indestructible hulk isn't weaker than WWH. Debatably, he's stronger, and he has indeed performed better against adamantium bullets than WWH did.

Your right expect for the fact that it was outright stated that Hulk never actually went all outright during the entirety of that entire arc.

He is weaker, I'd say he's tiers above him in durability. Hence the name indestructible Hulk, but even then World War Hulk is known for regenerating the damage done to him

Crossover battles:

- Goku (after training with Roshi), no weakness of tail vs Spiderman (peter parker), no armor
Goku can't use kamehameha and spidey can't use webs.

- Beerus vs Thanos (full power). No TP, win by death or KO.

Unfair to spiderman, no really he can only pick up ten tons

Beerus finger flicks Thanos, not even fair[/quote]

[apex_pretador]

Hulk stalemated sentry, and Sentry was harming hulk pretty fine. Hulk held back initially, but later, he started fighting much harder.

Indestructible hulk isn't weaker than WWH. Debatably, he's stronger, and he has indeed performed better against adamantium bullets than WWH did.

Your right expect for the fact that it was outright stated that Hulk never actually went all outright during the entirety of that entire arc.

He is weaker, I'd say he's tiers above him in durability. Hence the name indestructible Hulk, but even then World War Hulk is known for regenerating the damage done to him

Crossover battles:

- Goku (after training with Roshi), no weakness of tail vs Spiderman (peter parker), no armor
Goku can't use kamehameha and spidey can't use webs.

- Beerus vs Thanos (full power). No TP, win by death or KO.

Unfair to spiderman, no really he can only pick up ten tons

Beerus finger flicks Thanos, not even fair

[/quote]

Based on what is WWh stronger than indestructible hulk? The amp he got in WWH was a permanent amp, and hulk gets stronger with time. Indestructible hulk > WWH.

Spiderman can lift a hell lot more than 10 tons. He can support buildings and throw tanks.

Beerus may or may not win, but he isn't finger flicking Thanos, not even close.

[Gog]

Based on what is WWh stronger than indestructible hulk? The amp he got in WWH was a permanent amp, and hulk gets stronger with time. Indestructible hulk > WWH.

Spiderman can lift a hell lot more than 10 tons. He can support buildings and throw tanks.

Beerus may or may not win, but he isn't finger flicking Thanos, not even close.

He'd still win regardless.

When he's hyped up with adrenaline?

Beerus will win. Thanos is not actually universal without the infinity gauntlet

[dragon boss z]

Base Vegeta (Super Manga) vs Kid Goku in lifting strength.

He easily out paces Goku

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

ssj doesn't seem to make their lifting strength go up by 50x. Base Goku in the Buu saga reached his limit at around 40 tons in base, so Vegeta should be around their too. Ssj Goku was playing with 40 tons like nothing, so logically Vegeta could to. So if base Goku trained with 8 tons and 40 tons was his limit, (a 5x difference), then if ssj Goku trains with 40 tons his limit would be around 200 tons. Which lines up with ssj Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta.

[Gog]

He easily out paces Goku

I wouldn't be so sure, SSJ Vegeta was unable to even budge Magetta's leg when he tried lifting him, you don't even need to lift half of someone's weight to get their foot off the ground, so this means SSJ Vegeta's lifting strength is less than half of Magetta's weight, and Magetta is stated to be 1,000+ tons, so this means SSJ Vegeta is <500 tons in lifting strength, thus his base is <10 tons, I'd say around 6 since he literally had no effect on Magetta.

At the beginning of DB, Goku easily lifts Bulma's 1 ton car overhead from an unfavorable position and throws it, there's approximately a ~2.5x gap between the weight you can lift overhead and the weight you can lift off the ground, so this means Kid Goku's lifting strength is 2.5-3 tons at least, so he's already around half of Super!Vegeta's strength. He then powers up considerably after training with Roshi and is able top push a massive several dozen ton boulder, so Kid Goku > Vegeta (Super) in strength.

ssj doesn't seem to make their lifting strength go up by 50x. Base Goku in the Buu saga reached his limit at around 40 tons in base, so Vegeta should be around their too. Ssj Goku was playing with 40 tons like nothing, so logically Vegeta could to. So if base Goku trained with 8 tons and 40 tons was his limit, (a 5x difference), then if ssj Goku trains with 40 tons his limit would be around 200 tons. Which lines up with ssj Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta.

But it's stated that super saiyan makes you fifty times better

[The gr]

Manga goku black ssj2 in chapter 20 vs base goku black in the anime

[Gog]

Manga goku black ssj2 in chapter 20 vs base goku black in the anime

Base Goku black whips him seductively, and defeats him easily