The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Zamasu55]

Future Zamasu [No immortality] vs Hit [No time-skip or killing techniques].
Super Saiyan Gohan [As of episode 77] vs Super Saiyan Cabba.
Pui Pui vs Captain Ginyu [DBZ; No body change].
Mecha arc humans [Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu] vs The Ginyu force [No body change for Ginyu].
Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].
Nam [22nd TB] vs Goku [21st TB].

1) As Goku said, Future Zamasu is much stronger than his present counterpart (who was below Ssj2 Goku). In the future, Zamasu does pretty well against Goku, Trunks and Vegeta many times, but he's of course helped by his immortal body. I guess Hit wins, but after a tough fight.

2) Gohan stomps. Ssj Goku (Future Trunks saga) >= Ssj Gohan (Future Trunks saga) > Ssj Goku (Champa saga) > Ssj Vegeta (Champa saga) >> Ssj Cabbe.

3)I don't see why Pui Pui would be that strong. Ginyu.

4) Krillin's power level is 75,000, therefore he could get rid of most of the Ginyu fighters in an instant, just like Goku did. Captain Ginyu is the real deal here, but I think they could beat him, maybe by using the Kienzan or something like that.

5) Roshi was almost as strong as the Goku that curbstomped Tambourine. Easy win for him.

6) Still Goku.

[dragonball0900]

Future Zamasu [No immortality] vs Hit [No time-skip or killing techniques].
Super Saiyan Gohan [As of episode 77] vs Super Saiyan Cabba.
Pui Pui vs Captain Ginyu [DBZ; No body change].
Mecha arc humans [Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu] vs The Ginyu force [No body change for Ginyu].
Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].
Nam [22nd TB] vs Goku [21st TB].

1. I'd say Hit wins.

2. They seem equals, but Gohan might be able to take this as I see him a bit superior. Goku was stronger than his Champa arc self, which is equal to Vegeta, who was equal or a bit superior to Cabba.

3. We don't know Pui Pui's strenght. Maybe Pui Pui?

4. Against the first 4, Chiaotzu would not be ablet to do it, but I think Yamcha takes this. Against Captain Ginyu, however, I have Krillin equal to him, while Tien being superior.

5. Goku easily killed Tambourine, and was also probably stronger than his 22nd Budokai self. Goku during the 22nd Budokai was also already above Roshi, they weren't equals and there was a gap between them, as stated by Roshi during the 22nd Budokai. So I'd say Tambourine takes this after hard effort.

6. I feel like Goku still wins. But the fight would take a bit longer, but Goku was already a lot stronger than him before, so Goku wins.

[apex_pretador]

Did Superman cause that explosion or it was his opponent? It's impressive that he had survived it. I don't know if Freeza can beat that. Even Beerus' life was in danger when the universe was about to be destroyed, although he could casually nullify such amount of energy.

Both, Superman rips that guy's armor open which causes that explosion. Also, if the shockwaves of their attacks were enough to put the entire universe in jeopardy, the actual hits are logically a lot stronger. Universe destroying attacks are nothing to Beerus.

Yes, Beerus would easily counter such attack, I just don't see someone else in Universe 7 doing that.[/quote]
Prime isn't facing Beerus here

Future Zamasu [No immortality] vs Hit [No time-skip or killing techniques].
Super Saiyan Gohan [As of episode 77] vs Super Saiyan Cabba.
Pui Pui vs Captain Ginyu [DBZ; No body change].
Mecha arc humans [Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu] vs The Ginyu force [No body change for Ginyu].
Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].
Nam [22nd TB] vs Goku [21st TB].

Hit
Gohan
Ginyu
Humans
Roshi barely

[TheUltimateNinja]

Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].

Roshi barely

How so? Tambourine stomped Kuririn and exhausted Goku pretty easily, and judging by Roshi's performance against Tenshinhan I don't think he's stronger than Kuririn to such an extent that he'd beat Tambourine.

[apex_pretador]

Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].

Roshi barely

How so? Tambourine stomped Kuririn and exhausted Goku pretty easily, and judging by Roshi's performance against Tenshinhan I don't think he's stronger than Kuririn to such an extent that he'd beat Tambourine.

Tambourine beat an exhausted krillin. Goku was also extremely exhausted by this point, considering he put every bit of his last remaining power in that kamehameha he did while landing at 22nd TB final.

[Nejishiki]

I agree that is one reason he had trouble. But don't you think since Goku was training he would be trying not to enhance his muscle with ki? Toriyama already said in an interview that their physical strength is limited and at a certain point they could only get stronger if their ki gets stronger, so it would make sense for when Goku is training with weights it would be for his physical body. Same thing with gravity training. That's why even though ssj Vegeta>>>>>>>>>>>base namek saga Goku, Vegeta was in 150x gravity while Goku was able to train in 100x gravity.

I would also find it hard to believe Goku wouldn't even be able to fly with a 40 ton buss on his back. Gohan did it easily in the anime, and he did it with a jumbo jet, thought that would be considered non canon. I think it was a mix of him using bukujutsu and him trying to train his muscles.

There's a misunderstanding: I didn't quote what I was responding to. The comment about ki assisting one's physical strength was to someone claiming it couldn't. I understand Goku wouldn't do so in his bukujutsu weight training. It would go against the purpose of Kaio's instructions & serve detrimental to Goku's intended growth.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Roshi barely

How so? Tambourine stomped Kuririn and exhausted Goku pretty easily, and judging by Roshi's performance against Tenshinhan I don't think he's stronger than Kuririn to such an extent that he'd beat Tambourine.

Tambourine beat an exhausted krillin. Goku was also extremely exhausted by this point, considering he put every bit of his last remaining power in that kamehameha he did while landing at 22nd TB final.

Kuririn wasn't exhausted.

[apex_pretador]

How so? Tambourine stomped Kuririn and exhausted Goku pretty easily, and judging by Roshi's performance against Tenshinhan I don't think he's stronger than Kuririn to such an extent that he'd beat Tambourine.

Tambourine beat an exhausted krillin. Goku was also extremely exhausted by this point, considering he put every bit of his last remaining power in that kamehameha he did while landing at 22nd TB final.

Kuririn wasn't exhausted.

He fought goku and lost, so yes he was.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Tambourine beat an exhausted krillin. Goku was also extremely exhausted by this point, considering he put every bit of his last remaining power in that kamehameha he did while landing at 22nd TB final.

Kuririn wasn't exhausted.

He fought goku and lost, so yes he was.

He had the entire final match to rest. Also, Roshi says Goku would stand no chance against Tambourine in his exhausted state since Tambourine was strong enough to kill Kuririn, this feat would be nothing special if Kuririn was weakened. And full power enraged Goku still had to put some effort into killing Tambourine with several heavy blows whereas even pre-Zenkai he was easily outclassing Kuririn at match level,

[dragonball0900]

Roshi barely

How so? Tambourine stomped Kuririn and exhausted Goku pretty easily, and judging by Roshi's performance against Tenshinhan I don't think he's stronger than Kuririn to such an extent that he'd beat Tambourine.

Tambourine beat an exhausted krillin. Goku was also extremely exhausted by this point, considering he put every bit of his last remaining power in that kamehameha he did while landing at 22nd TB final.

Just want to point out that Krillin wasn't really that exhausted, since he was seeing all the entire match between Tien and Goku. Also, another thing I would also like to point out is that there was a gap between Roshi and Goku/Tien, since Tien was holding back during his match against Roshi. Goku could've gotten a bit stronger from his beatdown from Tambourine too, just like how he got a bit stronger during the early Red Ribbon Arc. It's possible that Roshi has a chance of winning, but Tambourine knows how to fly and has more advantage.

[dragon boss z]

I agree that is one reason he had trouble. But don't you think since Goku was training he would be trying not to enhance his muscle with ki? Toriyama already said in an interview that their physical strength is limited and at a certain point they could only get stronger if their ki gets stronger, so it would make sense for when Goku is training with weights it would be for his physical body. Same thing with gravity training. That's why even though ssj Vegeta>>>>>>>>>>>base namek saga Goku, Vegeta was in 150x gravity while Goku was able to train in 100x gravity.

I would also find it hard to believe Goku wouldn't even be able to fly with a 40 ton buss on his back. Gohan did it easily in the anime, and he did it with a jumbo jet, thought that would be considered non canon. I think it was a mix of him using bukujutsu and him trying to train his muscles.

There's a misunderstanding: I didn't quote what I was responding to. The comment about ki assisting one's physical strength was to someone claiming it couldn't. I understand Goku wouldn't do so in his bukujutsu weight training. It would go against the purpose of Kaio's instructions & serve detrimental to Goku's intended growth.

Exactly. What I'm saying his since he was using his muscles and no this ki even if he wasn't using bukujustsu he would of had a problem, though the bukujustu made it even harder.

Though ssj Vegeta not being able to budge 1,000 tons still makes little sense.

[SaiyanGod117]

SSB Vegito Kaioken x3 Indefinte time vs Beerus

[Noah]

SSB Vegito Kaioken x3 Indefinte time vs Beerus

I have SSB Vegetto stronger than 100% Beerus, adding a triple Kaioken he would be obliterated in a second.

[SaiyanGod117]

SSB Vegito Kaioken x3 Indefinte time vs Beerus

I have SSB Vegetto stronger than 100% Beerus, adding a triple Kaioken he would be obliterated in a second.

That's what I think as well, I just wanted to get other people opinions on it.

[dragon boss z]

Kuririn wasn't exhausted.

He fought goku and lost, so yes he was.

He had the entire final match to rest. Also, Roshi says Goku would stand no chance against Tambourine in his exhausted state since Tambourine was strong enough to kill Kuririn, this feat would be nothing special if Kuririn was weakened. And full power enraged Goku still had to put some effort into killing Tambourine with several heavy blows whereas even pre-Zenkai he was easily outclassing Kuririn at match level,

Roshi was implied to still be stronger than Tien at that point. Roshi should beat Tambourine relatively easy imo. If he really wanted to he could of gave old Piccolo a fight. And if he is as strong as he was in RoF he could arguably beat young King Piccolo, though then him using the mafuba doesn't make much sense. Even if you ignore Roshi's moon bust, he still has his mountain bust, which Tamborine would get instakilled by.

Future Zamasu [No immortality] vs Hit [No time-skip or killing techniques].
Super Saiyan Gohan [As of episode 77] vs Super Saiyan Cabba.
Pui Pui vs Captain Ginyu [DBZ; No body change].
Mecha arc humans [Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Yamcha and Chiaotzu] vs The Ginyu force [No body change for Ginyu].
Tambourine vs Roshi [22nd TB].
Nam [22nd TB] vs Goku [21st TB].

Hit quite easily. Future Zamsu would of been killed by ssj2 Trunks if he wasn't immortal.
Gohan probably.
Captain Ginyu
Ginyu force
Roshi. He has better feats.
Nam wasn't at the 22nd budoka so we have to assume he didn't get stronger. Goku wins.

Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Ginyu Force(all at once). + Dodoria and Zarbon.
Goku is restricted to KKx1(when his PL was 180,000).
Bonus fight: Namek Saga Goku(right after he got out of his ship) vs Piccolo(after he merged with Nail).
Goku can use max kkx10.

Goku wins unless Ginyu does body change.

Bonus fight: Piccolo wins. Goku with kaioken x10 would be at 900,000 and Piccolo was a bit over a million. And Kaioken puts strain on Goku, while Piccolo can easily maintain his power.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He fought goku and lost, so yes he was.

He had the entire final match to rest. Also, Roshi says Goku would stand no chance against Tambourine in his exhausted state since Tambourine was strong enough to kill Kuririn, this feat would be nothing special if Kuririn was weakened. And full power enraged Goku still had to put some effort into killing Tambourine with several heavy blows whereas even pre-Zenkai he was easily outclassing Kuririn at match level,

Roshi was implied to still be stronger than Tien at that point. Roshi should beat Tambourine relatively easy imo. If he really wanted to he could of gave old Piccolo a fight. And if he is as strong as he was in RoF he could arguably beat young King Piccolo, though then him using the mafuba doesn't make much sense. Even if you ignore Roshi's moon bust, he still has his mountain bust, which Tamborine would get instakilled by.

There's no way Roshi could do shit to Old Piccolo. He destroyed Goku with less than half his power and also tanked a Kamehameha easily. And Roshi said that if he continued to fight Tenshinhan he would have lost.

[dragon boss z]

He had the entire final match to rest. Also, Roshi says Goku would stand no chance against Tambourine in his exhausted state since Tambourine was strong enough to kill Kuririn, this feat would be nothing special if Kuririn was weakened. And full power enraged Goku still had to put some effort into killing Tambourine with several heavy blows whereas even pre-Zenkai he was easily outclassing Kuririn at match level,

Roshi was implied to still be stronger than Tien at that point. Roshi should beat Tambourine relatively easy imo. If he really wanted to he could of gave old Piccolo a fight. And if he is as strong as he was in RoF he could arguably beat young King Piccolo, though then him using the mafuba doesn't make much sense. Even if you ignore Roshi's moon bust, he still has his mountain bust, which Tamborine would get instakilled by.

There's no way Roshi could do shit to Old Piccolo. He destroyed Goku with less than half his power and also tanked a Kamehameha easily. And Roshi said that if he continued to fight Tenshinhan he would have lost.

No Roshi said if he kept fighting as he was he suppose he would of lost. Roshi was saying that he "might" lose if he kept on using his current power. That wasn't his full power.

Roshi took on 170+ Frieza soldiers and Toriyama said he was always that strong. Roshi's buff form is in another league.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Roshi was implied to still be stronger than Tien at that point. Roshi should beat Tambourine relatively easy imo. If he really wanted to he could of gave old Piccolo a fight. And if he is as strong as he was in RoF he could arguably beat young King Piccolo, though then him using the mafuba doesn't make much sense. Even if you ignore Roshi's moon bust, he still has his mountain bust, which Tamborine would get instakilled by.

There's no way Roshi could do shit to Old Piccolo. He destroyed Goku with less than half his power and also tanked a Kamehameha easily. And Roshi said that if he continued to fight Tenshinhan he would have lost.

No Roshi said if he kept fighting as he was he suppose he would of lost. Roshi was saying that he "might" lose if he kept on using his current power. That wasn't his full power.

Roshi took on 170+ Frieza soldiers and Toriyama said he was always that strong. Roshi's buff form is in another league.

Toriyama didn't say he was always that strong, he said if he put his mind to it he could have been that strong all along. And he was clearly a lot weaker at the 21st Budokai.

Also, when he watches Goku fight he says Goku's already surpassed him and that was when Goku was only using match level power, his battle level power is a lot higher and Tenshinhan is almost equal to it, so he's clearly stronger than Roshi.

[dragon boss z]

Toriyama didn't say he was always that strong, he said if he put his mind to it he could have been that strong all along. And he was clearly a lot weaker at the 21st Budokai.

Also, when he watches Goku fight he says Goku's already surpassed him and that was when Goku was only using match level power, his battle level power is a lot higher and Tenshinhan is almost equal to it, so he's clearly stronger than Roshi.

The way he said it, he said Roshi didn't get that strong from training, he was just that strong but only if he felt like it. A.K.A. Toriyama was saying plot=power.

Yes he got stronger from the 21st to 22nd budokai but that's because he brushed up on his training. He was rusty during the 21st, he probably just got back to where he should of been during the 22nd. And he had no reason to train before RoF because everyone else was so strong.

They were probably stronger than regular Roshi. Not buff Roshi. Neither of them were close to mountain, and definitely not moon level. And 22nd Tien and Goku would beat Tamborine anywyas.

[apex_pretador]

SSB Vegito Kaioken x3 Indefinte time vs Beerus

Beerus
He is the strongest unless stated otherwise.