Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Good news it's not a pure Toriyama script! Or rather not purely all his ideas at least.

When was the scenario finished?
I think it was around May of last year. The scenario we received at first, Toriyama-sensei himself said, “I think it might be a bit short…?”… And so from there we added several plot points. And then it ended up being unexpectedly long. (laughs) Now, we’re at the point where Toei Animation is expertly pulling it all together. (laughs)

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

Very interesting interview by the way.

[sintzu]

The head of the DB room said Goku's final fight in the movie may be better than his final with Jiren so at the very least we'll have something amazing to look at. He also talks about the role this room had in the story, saying that their suggestions were used to help Toriyama come up with the story. The story is described as a multilayered space opera so it sounds like there'll be a lot more going on than in the previous 2 movies.

Good news it's not a pure Toriyama script! Or rather not purely all his ideas at least.

I think its been this way since BOG.

[AnimeNation101]

I don't think his ideas in Super were bad, had he be the one to execute them they would definitely been 10 times better than what the anime and manga gave us.

He approves everything or most of what Toei and Toyotaro do and he's the one giving them these bare bones plot lines to work with so he's just as at fault for modern DB's issues as everyone else. 80% of Toriyama isn't going to change anything cause that's what we've been getting, what DB needs is new blood willing to take risks with completely new ideas and move the series forward.

Thats what they said about star wars, look how that's going.

We don't need new ideas and we don't need risks. What we need are good stories. Super had new shit and super definitely took risks or are you going to try and tell me that a battle royale isn't risky especially with a weekly anime with bad production issues.

But Its what you do, its how you do it. Concepts be damned. Execution is where its at. Toriyama always had some dumb ideas, hell super saiyan was kinda dumb but he executed them well enough for them to work.

Thats why super has issues, thats why minus had issues, thats why RoF has issues.The execution is not there and whether young blood or old, we need it there.

You’re speaking the truth. People saw bringing Freeza to the T.o.P and evil Goku as shit ideas. Now people see those as some of the best decisions made for DBS.

We need less writers. Less writers means more consistency between episodes. Either that or we make Toriyama write more detail into the story points that he gives to Toei. Or we just need every writer to collab with other writers so they can all get a good idea of how a character should normally act and what a specific writer has written in a previous episode so they dont contradict it. Or the manga passes the anime so the anime just follows the manga with Toyotaro being the “main writer” in which it cuts down on a lack of consistency but his ideas are hit or miss.

We need an editor. Someone who doesn’t just care about money, but really cares about Dragon Ball enough to stand up to Toriyama when an idea sounds bad or his execution in terms of one of his story points is bad.

I cant stress this enough.

[sintzu]

We don't need new ideas and we don't need risks.

If that were the case then so many franchises and industries, including DB and the anime industry would be dead today.

We need an editor. Someone who cares about Dragon Ball enough to stand up to Toriyama when an idea sounds bad or his execution is bad.

I think we need a DB head who can keep everything consistent, from Toriyama's basic plots to how the episodes are written.

[Dragono]

He approves everything or most of what Toei and Toyotaro do and he's the one giving them these bare bones plot lines to work with so he's just as at fault for modern DB's issues as everyone else. 80% of Toriyama isn't going to change anything cause that's what we've been getting, what DB needs is new blood willing to take risks with completely new ideas and move the series forward.

Thats what they said about star wars, look how that's going.

We don't need new ideas and we don't need risks. What we need are good stories. Super had new shit and super definitely took risks or are you going to try and tell me that a battle royale isn't risky especially with a weekly anime with bad production issues.

But Its what you do, its how you do it. Concepts be damned. Execution is where its at. Toriyama always had some dumb ideas, hell super saiyan was kinda dumb but he executed them well enough for them to work.

Thats why super has issues, thats why minus had issues, thats why RoF has issues.The execution is not there and whether young blood or old, we need it there.

These aren't mutually exclusive. Super has been playing it safe and all those callbacks to what people loved in DB that it were getting hard to ignore. That's why we have multicolored SSJ transformations, that's why Freeza keeps coming back again and again, that's why we have Piccolo shielding Gohan again and again. I agree that execution is important, maybe even the most important, but there is only so much excecution can do when you have yet another tournament arc.

dragon ball had 4 tournament arcs and shonen genre is full of them. Try again.

[AnimeNation101]

Call me crazy, but maybe something “weird” is gonna happen to Goku during the movie. The Chief is telling us to pay attention to him but it could just be something else.

[Dragono]

We don't need new ideas and we don't need risks.

If that were the case then so many franchises and industries, including DB and the anime industry would be dead today.

We need an editor. Someone who cares about Dragon Ball enough to stand up to Toriyama when an idea sounds bad or his execution is bad.

I think we need a DB head who can keep everything consistent, from Toriyama's basic plots to how the episodes are written.

Pokemon says hi. Power rangers say hi. Yugioh says hi. mario says hi. marvel movies say hi. spongebob says hi. simpsons say hi. Hell, dragon ball itself says hi since super is successful show.




We can argue quality all day here but these works are succefsul and are arguable the same thing for several years

[AnimeNation101]

We don't need new ideas and we don't need risks.

If that were the case then so many franchises and industries, including DB and the anime industry would be dead today.

We need an editor. Someone who cares about Dragon Ball enough to stand up to Toriyama when an idea sounds bad or his execution is bad.

I think we need a DB head who can keep everything consistent, from Toriyama's basic plots to how the episodes are written.

Exactly.

[shadowfox87]

There are only a couple of writers that would know most of the DB lore. Toriyama has acknowledged Toyotaro and Naho Oishi as two of them.

[sintzu]

Pokemon says hi. Power rangers say hi. Yugioh says hi.

Hell, dragon ball itself says hi since super is successful show.

Do you really want DB to just be another predictable, formulaic show just made to sell merchandise ? that's not what DB originally was when Toriyama wrote the manga back in the day.

Just because it's successful doesn't mean it's above criticism, unless you own stock in the companies.

dragon ball had 4 tournament arcs and shonen genre is full of them. Try again.

Those tournaments were mixed with 3 other completely different arcs, the 1st DB hunt, the RRA arc & king Piccolo. No one's against tournaments, the problem is that too much of Super was just that, more so if you take out the movie retellings.

[Dragono]

Pokemon says hi. Power rangers say hi. Yugioh says hi. mario says hi. marvel movies say hi. spongebob says hi. simpsons say hi.

Hell, dragon ball itself says hi since super is successful show.

Do you really want DB to just be another predictable, formulaic show just made to sell merchandise ? that's not what DB originally was when Toriyama wrote the manga back in the day.

Just because it's successful doesn't mean it's above criticism, unless you own stock in the companies.

dragon ball had 4 tournament arcs and shonen genre is full of them. Try again.

Those tournaments were mixed with 3 other completely different arcs, the 1st DB hunt, the RRA arc & king Piccolo. No one's against tournaments, the problem is that too much of Super was just that, more so if you take out the movie retellings.

I want dragon ball to be good, if that requires them sticking to what they know. I'm all for it. But I don't want any new ideas if its not going to be done well. We had rogue kaioshins, a villain with more than an evil motive and fight with 80 fighters. All were new to this franchise and all were executed poorly.

I'm not saying i don't want to see something new, I'm saying new shit in it of itself is not good. Even if its the same meal we had before at least we can say its good.

[sintzu]

I'm not saying i don't want to see something new, I'm saying new shit in it of itself is not good.

Of course I don't want something new that's bad but if it can be done well then I'd take that over something we're familiar with. I'm fine with them using things we're used to but I'd just like more new mixed in to keep things fresh.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
Anyone know what the it says under the SSGSS designs for Goku and Vegeta after "超サイヤ人ゴッド超サイヤ人" there is a slash for Goku and Vegeta that have different kanji.

Nevermind, found out. It's to signify SSGSS/Dogi for Goku and then SSGSS/Combat clothes for Vegeta. Implying that we may see SSGSS in different clothes otherwise why make the distinction?

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

This part of the interview got me excited:

Dragon Ball is really Goku’s story, so I’d like you to focus on just what happens with Goku in the new movie. I think the final battle will definitely be something amazing. You’ll have a sensation of experiencing the battle more than ever before, so please look forward to it. You know how in movie theaters overseas, the audiences get into things and even react vocally? I think there’ll be some stupendous action scenes where, even in Japan, people will naturally vocalize unconsciously with things like “Whoa!” “Awesome!”

I hope they found a way to give Goku a great character arc in this film. That's something that has been severely lacking in a lot of recent Dragon Ball stories. Also, Akio Iyoku is really hyping up the final fight of the film and I can't help but fall for it and get excited. Can't wait to watch this in a big, packed movie theatre.

[shadowfox87]

He said that the final battle will even top Goku vs Jiren. Now that's exciting!

[ZeroNeonix]

He said that the final battle will even top Goku vs Jiren. Now that's exciting!

What's he supposed to say? The final battle will be underwhelming, and many will be disappointed? lol

[shadowfox87]

He said that the final battle will even top Goku vs Jiren. Now that's exciting!

What's he supposed to say? The final battle will be underwhelming, and many will be disappointed? lol

He can say that the final battle will be good but to say that it's better than Goku vs Jiren sets a standard.

[emperior]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... interview/

Very good interview, thanks Kanzenshuu for the translation!
I wonder what they mean with full-body gags. I love Toriyama’s gags so I’m looking forward to them.

[Grimlock]

You’ve said the Saiyans will be a theme, but please give the readers of DBMFL a hint as to what sort of story it will be.

…Hmm. It’s still a secret, but… I’ll give you just a little. When it comes to a story about the Saiyans, it will of course require a look back at history. There will be vignettes from the past, such as, this sort of thing happened back then. It’s a movie that doesn’t follow a single, monotonous plot line; there’s a story in the present and a story in the past, and there are changes in setting, so it’s got quite the sense of scale. I think it’s become a spectacular “space opera”. There are some multilayered elements as well, so I think it will be something people can watch and enjoy again and again, with everyone imbuing all sorts of characters with a variety of feelings.

Still nothing to be excited about, but please, since it'll have parts in the past, just give me at least the appearance of certain characters for me to get hyped!

[BlueBasilisk]

Do you really want DB to just be another predictable, formulaic show just made to sell merchandise ? that's not what DB originally was when Toriyama wrote the manga back in the day.

IMO, BoG and RoF both suffered precisely because they stuck to the Dragon Ball Formula, aka Waiting For Goku, to make feature length films out of plots that didn't require it. You could cut the Waiting For Goku parts out of both movies and trim them down to much tighter 40-60 minute specials. BoG at least had the decency to shake up the status quo at the end, but in RoF all the changes to the status quo were in place at the beginning of the movie, and at the end the only real change was that Frieza wasn't a cyborg in hell. What's worse is that it teases two alternate scenarios (reviving King Cold and Goku/Vegeta teaming up to fight Frieza) that were more interesting than the one the movie delivered.

The cherry on top is that Frieza's return in the ToP arc provides a plausible explanation for why he's so strong (years of intense mental training), which just further proves how unnecessary RoF was in the grand scheme of things. Could you imagine if our first look at Golden Frieza had been him killing the U9 assassins after that glorious transformation sequence? That would have been a mind blowing moment!