"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[emperior]

It's pretty obvious that Monaka hired Hit to kill Goku so, he won't try to fight him again and they won't participate in the 12 universes tournament. Remember all that gold he received from Beerus.

If this turns out to be true, it will be awesome. And very funny

I can already picture Goku more shocked by the fact Monaka is weak than by the fact he wants him dead

[Alee9977]

Pretty sure Hit will have a 2 or 3 secs of timeskip by now, it will be great if Goku dies, other characters will be useful again

[emperior]

Pretty sure Hit will have a 2 or 3 secs of timeskip by now, it will be great if Goku dies, other characters will be useful again

I feel like it would make him way too OP if he had anymore than 1 second of timeskip. And they should also add limits to it like the manga did.

[HeroR]

Pretty sure Hit will have a 2 or 3 secs of timeskip by now, it will be great if Goku dies, other characters will be useful again

No thanks. That was done to death in Z. Besides, if Vegeta is still around, the rest of the cast would still be useless fodder.

[Ki Breaker]

Goku also destroyed Beerus' planet buster in his base form and he was making it bigger. And he still took hits from Beerus, while Gohan got hit by Buu and went down. Also, no. In the anime, Beerus was trying to kill Goku to the point that he dropped a giant ball of energy on his head and told him that he had limits. Goku also never went Super Saiyan again once he went back to base in Super.

Okay.. so what do you suggest is the right scaling..
I still think my scaling makes the most sense.. Specially since the line goku SS stated that he didn't feel weaker at all just after he lost his god powers..
The stuff you mentioned is also evidence which cannot be contradicted.. he did indeed nullify berrus ball in base..

The thing is Goku SS is as strong as god ia stated as a fact in the anime by goku himself..
And SS is a 50x multiplier.. even if he is 50x weaker than god he is still strong enough to be above mystic Gohan by a chunk like I said..
Berrus if wanted to kill Goku he could have said hakai instead, we know how dangerous he can get..
My interpretation of the death ball by berrus was him pushing goku to his limit for him to give up rather than trying to defeat him altogether, he didn't use his powers to his max whatsoever just enough that base goku couldn't handle it.. even freeza made balls of such sizes, the size dosent matter the energy put into it does..

[HeroR]

Goku also destroyed Beerus' planet buster in his base form and he was making it bigger. And he still took hits from Beerus, while Gohan got hit by Buu and went down. Also, no. In the anime, Beerus was trying to kill Goku to the point that he dropped a giant ball of energy on his head and told him that he had limits. Goku also never went Super Saiyan again once he went back to base in Super.

Okay.. so what do you suggest is the right scaling..
I still think my scaling makes the most sense.. Specially since the line goku SS stated that he didn't feel weaker at all just after he lost his god powers..
The stuff you mentioned is also evidence which cannot be contradicted.. he did indeed nullify berrus ball in base..

The thing is Goku SS is as strong as god ia stated as a fact in the anime by goku himself..
And SS is a 50x multiplier.. even if he is 50x weaker than god he is still strong enough to be above mystic Gohan by a chunk like I said..
Berrus if wanted to kill Goku he could have said hakai instead, we know how dangerous he can get..
My interpretation of the death ball by berrus was him pushing goku to his limit for him to give up rather than trying to defeat him altogether, he didn't use his powers to his max whatsoever just enough that base goku couldn't handle it.. even freeza made balls of such sizes, the size dosent matter the energy put into it does..

I don't really care if Goku's base form = Super Saiyan God or if it's his Super Saiyan form that is = Super Saiyan God, since the anime and movie leave it vague. What we do know is that Goku's absorbed Super Saiyan God and his base form is much stronger than Gohan ever was at his peak. Gohan had no good feats again Beerus. He got two-shotted in the movie and his performance in Super is even more pathetic. Nothing is shown that Gohan can catch one of Beerus' planet busters and punch it out of existence.

Your interpretation maybe true for the movie, but it wasn't the case for the anime. Beerus tried to kill Goku and didn't even offer to spare Goku if he surrenders. Instead, he said 'give up, you're at your limit', to which Goku answered, 'shut up'. And it's obvious Beerus' death ball is stronger than Freeza's, otherwise Goku would have deflected it with ease.

[FreddleFrooby]

The next episodes seem exciting! Extreme hype over Hit's return, honestly. He's Super's most badass new character.

[God Movement]

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

This is true, but only in the movies & the FnF manga. In the Super anime, SS Goku & Vegeta are as strong as SSG, and their base form is 50 times weaker than that, but still much stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks. In the Super manga, their base/SS/SS2/SS3 forms don't have any SSG power, though it is hinted* that they may have eliminated their Saiyan beyond God states (aka base with SSG power) by mastering SSG after training inside the RoSaT.

*Before RoSaT in the manga, Goku & Vegeta only used SSB, and base Goku survived a ki blast from a suppressed SSB Vegeta.

Not correct. The 50 times boost is clearly no longer present as in the episode where Zamasu sparred with with Goku, Zamasu cited roughly a 10x/a few dozen (depending on the translation) boost upon Goku turning into a SSJ2. The aim of Whis' training was to increase the power of their Base forms so that their transformations could benefit, it served to shorten the gap between transformations and base, but increase their overall potential nonetheless (most likely).

[Alruneia]

Not correct. The 50 times boost is clearly no longer present as in the episode where Zamasu sparred with with Goku, Zamasu cited roughly a 10x/a few dozen (depending on the translation) boost upon Goku turning into a SSJ2.

The translations I've seen say dozens of times or tens of times, never just x10. It's much easier, and consistent, too, to assume Zamasu noticed an increase with a multiplier of ten tens or about eight dozens, i.e x100. So Zamasu's statement is more evidence that the large transformation multipliers haven't gone away than evidence that they have.

[Ki Breaker]

Goku also destroyed Beerus' planet buster in his base form and he was making it bigger. And he still took hits from Beerus, while Gohan got hit by Buu and went down. Also, no. In the anime, Beerus was trying to kill Goku to the point that he dropped a giant ball of energy on his head and told him that he had limits. Goku also never went Super Saiyan again once he went back to base in Super.

Okay.. so what do you suggest is the right scaling..
I still think my scaling makes the most sense.. Specially since the line goku SS stated that he didn't feel weaker at all just after he lost his god powers..
The stuff you mentioned is also evidence which cannot be contradicted.. he did indeed nullify berrus ball in base..

The thing is Goku SS is as strong as god ia stated as a fact in the anime by goku himself..
And SS is a 50x multiplier.. even if he is 50x weaker than god he is still strong enough to be above mystic Gohan by a chunk like I said..
Berrus if wanted to kill Goku he could have said hakai instead, we know how dangerous he can get..
My interpretation of the death ball by berrus was him pushing goku to his limit for him to give up rather than trying to defeat him altogether, he didn't use his powers to his max whatsoever just enough that base goku couldn't handle it.. even freeza made balls of such sizes, the size dosent matter the energy put into it does..

I don't really care if Goku's base form = Super Saiyan God or if it's his Super Saiyan form that is = Super Saiyan God, since the anime and movie leave it vague. What we do know is that Goku's absorbed Super Saiyan God and his base form is much stronger than Gohan ever was at his peak. Gohan had no good feats again Beerus. He got two-shotted in the movie and his performance in Super is even more pathetic. Nothing is shown that Gohan can catch one of Beerus' planet busters and punch it out of existence.

Your interpretation maybe true for the movie, but it wasn't the case for the anime. Beerus tried to kill Goku and didn't even offer to spare Goku if he surrenders. Instead, he said 'give up, you're at your limit', to which Goku answered, 'shut up'. And it's obvious Beerus' death ball is stronger than Freeza's, otherwise Goku would have deflected it with ease.

The bolded part is precisely what I addressed about in my first post, which started this discussion..
If you do not care about it any longer won't pressure you on that..
Will just take Goku's word for ss being god level and base not..

As for him being stronger than ultimate Gohan I agree to that..

[God Movement]

Not correct. The 50 times boost is clearly no longer present as in the episode where Zamasu sparred with with Goku, Zamasu cited roughly a 10x/a few dozen (depending on the translation) boost upon Goku turning into a SSJ2.

The translations I've seen say dozens of times or tens of times, never just x10. It's much easier, and consistent, too, to assume Zamasu noticed an increase with a multiplier of ten tens or about eight dozens, i.e x100. So Zamasu's statement is more evidence that the large transformation multipliers haven't gone away than evidence that they have.

You have a point.

[Kishido]

Bla Bla I do not care

What's up GM?

You came to the holy church of Kanzenshuu to praise Super as well?

[namekiansaiyan]

Pretty sure Hit will have a 2 or 3 secs of timeskip by now, it will be great if Goku dies, other characters will be useful again

No thanks. That was done to death in Z. Besides, if Vegeta is still around, the rest of the cast would still be useless fodder.

Goku dying is exactly what the show needs as it forces the other characters to get involved and Vegeta can't do it all himself and he is a specialist in failure as well.

[HeroR]

Goku dying is exactly what the show needs as it forces the other characters to get involved and Vegeta can't do it all himself and he is a specialist in failure as well.

If Goku dying is the only thing to make characters useful, then those characters suck.

[TheMikado]

Not correct. The 50 times boost is clearly no longer present as in the episode where Zamasu sparred with with Goku, Zamasu cited roughly a 10x/a few dozen (depending on the translation) boost upon Goku turning into a SSJ2.

The translations I've seen say dozens of times or tens of times, never just x10. It's much easier, and consistent, too, to assume Zamasu noticed an increase with a multiplier of ten tens or about eight dozens, i.e x100. So Zamasu's statement is more evidence that the large transformation multipliers haven't gone away than evidence that they have.

Or that the writers wrote it as if he was SSJ1 while the animators drew it as SSJ2.

[THEGOKU]

I at least hope that if Hit is going to kill Goku we get a decent fight scene out of it. And that hit Improved like crazy because you would
Have to think Goku fighting with Black and Zamasu would have powered him up considerably since the tournament.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Can't wait to see Hit, Champa and Vados again.

[Ki Breaker]

I at least hope that if Hit is going to kill Goku we get a decent fight scene out of it. And that hit Improved like crazy because you would
Have to think Goku fighting with Black and Zamasu would have powered him up considerably since the tournament.

Honestly I would rather have hit kill Goku by surprise, he is an assassin that would suit him..
And him powering up so much that he can kill Goku of right now will just make him too powerful for any other character to even fight him after he kills goku..

[kinisking]

I at least hope that if Hit is going to kill Goku we get a decent fight scene out of it. And that hit Improved like crazy because you would
Have to think Goku fighting with Black and Zamasu would have powered him up considerably since the tournament.

Hit was fighting with a handicap during the tournament.

[namekiansaiyan]

Goku dying is exactly what the show needs as it forces the other characters to get involved and Vegeta can't do it all himself and he is a specialist in failure as well.

If Goku dying is the only thing to make characters useful, then those characters suck.

You don't seem to get that something needs to happen to make them relevant and Goku dying is one way. What you are saying is that beacuse they are useless now then they should always be useless.

I at least hope that if Hit is going to kill Goku we get a decent fight scene out of it. And that hit Improved like crazy because you would
Have to think Goku fighting with Black and Zamasu would have powered him up considerably since the tournament.

Hit was fighting with a handicap during the tournament.

People seem to forget that for some reason.

Hit would annihilate Goku easily.