Unpopular DB opinions

[Insertclevername]

OK, here is two

1, I think Kuririn has a nose

-Today when I was watching Gaffer Tape's part 2 in his 21st TB dissection, he points out the question if Kuririn really has a nose or not. Honestly, I think that was just a self referential gag by Toriyama. If Kuririn really did lack a nose it would have been addressed as soon as he reached Roshi's island. I mean heck, if Goku points out that chicks don't have dicks when meeting them then I highly doubt he would question Kuririn's odd lack of a nose. So in all, I feel like that the lacking a nose is just a design choice and doesn't reflect in-universe wise. Maybe Toriyama was trying to express that Kuririn has a flat bridge and in through his art, made him look nose less.

2, No more SSJ

In the unlikely case that their would be a new Dragon Ball franchise picking up where we just left off (GT or EoZ), I really would like if the whole Super Saiyan transformations and its variants were finished. Not that they wouldn't use it in the series but the on going chain would be finished at either SSJ 3 or 4 respectively. If we kept it going any longer, there would be a need to give characters random and seemingly convenient power ups just so they stay relevant. Just look at Toyable's AF and how random Gohan going SSJ4 out of the blue felt. The only reason that was done so Gohan could be a protagonist again. Hell, even Toriyama is almost guilty of having these convenient power ups in the Boo arc, like Fusion and Elder KiaoShins potential unlock, however with more believable writing of course. Also keeping the SSJ train going would just hold a series back as some DBZ 2 and not a chapter of the franchise that can stand on its own.

[sonikku956]

1. Chichi is more physically attractive than Bulma
2. Saiya-jins are nothing more than a weak ass plot device
3. I wish that Gokuu was actually a human descendant of the Monkey King, or just a strong as HFIL human
4. Dragon Ball is better than Dragon Ball Z.
5. Pioneer movies for DBZ 1-3 are the best English dubbed movies
6. I think Vegeta should of stayed dead in the Freeza Saga, and that Gokuu stayed dead in the Boo saga (maybe he could visit every month or so)

[KiddoCabbusses]

1. Chichi is more physically attractive than Bulma

I actually agree with that one. In fact, I tend to consider Bulma more mid-tier in general... people just tend to associate her with being the "Sex symbol" of DBZ because she played up that aspect from the beginning... and she put out.
I also thought Launch was more attractive. And poor Mai never even got a fair chance considering she only wore a loose-fitting uniform that showed no figure whatsoever. Poor, neglected secondary female cast.

Hmm, unpopular opinions.. Yajirobe probably should've had more screentime. Dragon Ball GT: Final Bout for the Playstation isn't completely unplayable. the 8-bit and 16-bit DBZ videogames are generally better than the 2009+ Recent releases. (although this is probably because it's hard to beat the games like BT3 which basically peaked DBZ as a videogame license IMO)

[Nikkolas]

Speaking of Yajirobe, I'm afraid I have to say that I found a few characters in DB extremely superfluous.

Oolong and Yajirobe are the obvious examples. They're really just not necessary and the story could go on without them with only minimal tweaking.

[Gonstead]

As far as I'm aware, Movies 2, 8, 10 and 11 are the only movies with an original plot.

The rest are all cheap rehashes from the series.

Movie 1 - Raditz
Movie 3 - Saiyan Invasion
Movie 4 - Namek Saga
Movie 5 - Beginning of Androids Saga
Movie 6 - Garlic Jr Saga
Movie 7 - Android Saga
Movie 9 - Cell Saga
Movie 12 - Majin Buu
Movie 13 - Debatable and not quite a Majin Buu esque rehash but I consider there are enough elements that are still there

I'm also gonna go out and say that Movie 1 has possibly the stupidest excuse for kidnapping Gohan just because he had a Dragon Ball on his hat.

The added sound effects in Movie 2's Ocean Dub are a great addition to the dub. Can't say the same for Movie's 1, 3 or the Westwood dub.

[Akumaito Beam]

There's a lot of talk about the best ending for Dragon Ball but for my money in tone this is easily the best. I would love to see the ending credits run over Goku's frantic search for a way off the planet while morose music plays in the background only to end with him shouting and it fading to black while the rest of the credits role using actual animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTBzPvH ... re=related

[Metalwario64]

Movie 4 - Namek Saga
Movie 5 - Beginning of Androids Saga
Movie 6 - Garlic Jr Saga

How in the world did you arrive to those conclusions?

If anything, movie 4 was the Demon King Piccolo-arc, movie 5 was the Freeza-arc, and movie 6 was the Mecha Freeza-"arc".

There's a lot of talk about the best ending for Dragon Ball but for my money in tone this is easily the best. I would love to see the ending credits run over Goku's frantic search for a way off the planet while morose music plays in the background only to end with him shouting and it fading to black while the rest of the credits role using actual animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTBzPvH ... re=related

Eww, that'd be a dirty ending. I want a clean one.

[Akumaito Beam]

Eww, that'd be a dirty ending. I want a clean one.

Granted I said that assuming Piccolo was killed by Freeza's beam, y'know the usual Freeza saga plausible ending fare. I just thought that way of presenting Goku's death was done SUPER well.

[Attitudefan]

Eww, that'd be a dirty ending. I want a clean one.

Granted I said that assuming Piccolo was killed by Freeza's beam, y'know the usual Freeza saga plausible ending fare. I just thought that way of presenting Goku's death was done SUPER well.

That would be a fantastic ending

[Kid Buu]

Movie 4 - Namek Saga

How in the world did you arrive to those conclusions?

If anything, movie 4 was the Demon King Piccolo-arc,

Slug's henchman seemed like Dodoria and Zarbon rip offs

[Gonstead]

Shigeru Chiba as Raditz isn't all that great to be honest. Same with Toshio Furukawa's Piccolo.

[Saimaroimaru]

BT3 is overrated. It inflated the character list with three versions of Z goku as separate characters and what not, and you lose the ability to lock in and out meaning someone has to knock you out of lock on, that was minus since I like going into training mode and look at the backgrounds of stages we can't access because they are so beautiful considering.

I liked Budokai 2 Story mode the most because of the funny interactions. Had me going back for months trying to find all of the animated character reactions.

Goten should have kept his post Buu arc, pre Gt hair. His Gt hair style looks like he uses a shovel to brush his head.

[Gonstead]

I really don't like the *ting* bells and slide whistles that Kikuchi used in his compositions, I really feel they ruined the songs they were added into unless they're meant for comedic scenes/intent.

Take M211 for example. Makes for a great track that could be used in a classic or modern horror film with it's tone of suspense and it's drum beats that may signal something dangerous approaching. Then comes the *ting* bells and it's practically ruined the mood when it was really sounding good.

Another example, this time for the Kikuchi-Kai mix is the ending to the episode where Frieza fires off a death beam at Gohan. The song starts off well but out of nowhere comes a slide whistle. What the hell man?

[OzzyApu]

I really don't like the *ting* bells and slide whistles that Kikuchi used in his compositions, I really feel they ruined the songs they were added into unless they're meant for comedic scenes/intent.

I don't like those, either. They ruined a lot of moments in the series for me. The twang noise like the one in the Oopa / Bora bgm made a heartfelt song corny.

[Insertclevername]

Heres another...


I think Broly's normal Super Saiyan form looks much better than his LSSJ form. Also I thought the blue tint in movie 8 looked really cool and how in movie 10, Broly looked so crazy as a SSJ. Kinda makes me wish that was his ultimate form.

[Piccolo Daimao]

On the term "Z-Warriors", I tend to slip into using it out of habit and convenience, but I’ve been using “super warriors” recently too. I think I’ll probably just start using only that now.

Here's another unpopular opinion: I think the Boo arc became too much of a self-parody for its own rules, practically breaking all the rules that the previous "serious" arcs of Z, and overall is bogged down in repetition and, despite the fact that I enjoy it more than the Cell arc (although I tend to flip-flop on that, depending on my mood), it contains far more glaring plotholes and inconsistencies than any other arc. It seems as if Toriyama didn't know what he was going for, combining "serious" and "wacky", which sounds good on paper, but barely came off half-decent in practice.

I mean, Boo was a good villain because of his childlike bubblegum-monster chocolate-izing shtick, but his regeneration got boring fast, to the point that it got too ridiculous even for DB. Goten and Trunks get SS for no reason whatsoever, they themselves don't actually contribute shit to the plot, and Gotenks was merely a largely unfunny vessel for Toriyama to fuck around for his own amusement without any actual storyline progression, almost akin to filler. The toilet humour had been and gone, so it's difficult to just cram back in without it feeling so jarring.

Super Saiyan 3. Yet another SS form, but it does absolutely fuck all. There's more "unlock potential" shit, for golden boy Gohan, who we'd thought had released the majority of his dormant power with Super Saiyan 2 (which we also thought would've been a manifestation of his hidden powers unique to him, but then it's as if the Cell arc never happened, he gets weaker, and old veterans Gokuu and Vegeta are brought back to the forefront again), and the Z-Sword actually started off as a relatively interesting concept involving a legendary sword that by itself ended being nothing more than a heavy tool with no apparent magical properties (like Trunks', and we saw how that failed) other than the old man locked inside. Then his laughably short-lived power-up fails as well.

Gokuu comes back to life and becomes the hero rather than Gohan and/or Goten and Trunks like he actually planned, the ending feels rushed, and overall feels tired and disconnected, which is unsurprising, considering that it was written under strict deadlines for 10 years by a seat-of-his-pants author who himself admitted that he had fairly low attention span (something like that; I think it's in that little intro page at the beginning of the volume).

OK, another potentially unpopular opinion: I think Kibito would've made a better Kaioushin than the east Kaioushin, and certainly seemed as if he knew more about what the job entailed than the inexperienced youngster, since, being their attendant, he'd presumably been around them for much longer than the east Kaioushin. Kaioushin reminds a bit of future Trunks, as they're both naive characters who are extra-cautious due to the horrors they'd suffered at a young age, but at least, unlike Kibito, Kaioushin doesn't seem to let himself get bogged down in "holy rules" and stuff (like how Kibito objected to Kaioushin taking Gohan to the "sacred" Kaioushin Realm, despite the shitty situation they were in, and immediately doubted his ability to pull out the Z-Sword because he was "just an Earthling").

I suppose here's one I have: I like Sonny Strait's Bardock better than Masako Nozawa. Can't think of any other que dub voice that I like better.

I dislike Nozawa's voices for teen Gohan (that's Gohan from the Boo arc, btw), Bardock and Tullece. The reason that Nozawa's high-pitched, childlike performance for Gokuu works is because that's his nature, regardless of his outward appearance. But it's somewhat jarring to hear the same voice, even if the delivery is altered, coming out of characters that are completely different in personality and whose only real relation (other than family, for Bardock) is appearance.

This basically means I prefer Swaile for teen Gohan, Strait for Bardock, and Cole/Patton for Tullece.

1, I think Kuririn has a nose

-Today when I was watching Gaffer Tape's part 2 in his 21st TB dissection, he points out the question if Kuririn really has a nose or not. Honestly, I think that was just a self referential gag by Toriyama. If Kuririn really did lack a nose it would have been addressed as soon as he reached Roshi's island. I mean heck, if Goku points out that chicks don't have dicks when meeting them then I highly doubt he would question Kuririn's odd lack of a nose. So in all, I feel like that the lacking a nose is just a design choice and doesn't reflect in-universe wise. Maybe Toriyama was trying to express that Kuririn has a flat bridge and in through his art, made him look nose less.

Um, no offence, but that’s wrong. Gokuu explicitly states that Kuririn doesn’t have a nose at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, which Kuririn himself agrees with and is how he managed to withstand Bacterian’s stink attacks and defeat him.

Then again, later in the Red Ribbon Army arc, Kuririn sniffs the diamond that Blooma put in her panties. I think a reader even wrote in to point it out, and Toriyama didn't really have any other answer than "it's a gag".

[Insertclevername]

1, I think Kuririn has a nose

-Today when I was watching Gaffer Tape's part 2 in his 21st TB dissection, he points out the question if Kuririn really has a nose or not. Honestly, I think that was just a self referential gag by Toriyama. If Kuririn really did lack a nose it would have been addressed as soon as he reached Roshi's island. I mean heck, if Goku points out that chicks don't have dicks when meeting them then I highly doubt he would question Kuririn's odd lack of a nose. So in all, I feel like that the lacking a nose is just a design choice and doesn't reflect in-universe wise. Maybe Toriyama was trying to express that Kuririn has a flat bridge and in through his art, made him look nose less.

Um, no offence, but that’s wrong. Gokuu explicitly states that Kuririn doesn’t have a nose at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, which Kuririn himself agrees with and is how he managed to withstand Bacterian’s stink attacks and defeat him.

Then again, later in the Red Ribbon Army arc, Kuririn sniffs the diamond that Blooma put in her panties. I think a reader even wrote in to point it out, and Toriyama didn't really have any other answer than "it's a gag".

Well I think it ultimately boils down to whether you take it as a gag or a literal fact, so to each his own. And no offense taken man, I don't mind disagreement, thats what a forums for.

[Attitudefan]

I agree with the rant on Buu. One major plot hole is how in the hell did a witch appear on the Kaioshin planet and fuse with the old dude???? Man, that is just retarded.

[Bussani]

I agree with the rant on Buu. One major plot hole is how in the hell did a witch appear on the Kaioshin planet and fuse with the old dude????

That's not really a plot hole. And even if it was, the manga doesn't specify that it happened in the Kaioshin realm, so you could just blame filler.

To be honest, most of the things people don't like about the Buu arc are things that I like about it. I like that several power-ups and ideas to stop Buu didn't end up working. Making a story too streamlined can be boring.

[Piccolo Daimao]

1, I think Kuririn has a nose

-Today when I was watching Gaffer Tape's part 2 in his 21st TB dissection, he points out the question if Kuririn really has a nose or not. Honestly, I think that was just a self referential gag by Toriyama. If Kuririn really did lack a nose it would have been addressed as soon as he reached Roshi's island. I mean heck, if Goku points out that chicks don't have dicks when meeting them then I highly doubt he would question Kuririn's odd lack of a nose. So in all, I feel like that the lacking a nose is just a design choice and doesn't reflect in-universe wise. Maybe Toriyama was trying to express that Kuririn has a flat bridge and in through his art, made him look nose less.

Um, no offence, but that’s wrong. Gokuu explicitly states that Kuririn doesn’t have a nose at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, which Kuririn himself agrees with and is how he managed to withstand Bacterian’s stink attacks and defeat him.

Then again, later in the Red Ribbon Army arc, Kuririn sniffs the diamond that Blooma put in her panties. I think a reader even wrote in to point it out, and Toriyama didn't really have any other answer than "it's a gag".

Well I think it ultimately boils down to whether you take it as a gag or a literal fact, so to each his own. And no offense taken man, I don't mind disagreement, thats what a forums for.

Yeah, that's true. I just always took it as a literal fact, since Kuririn's pretty clearly drawn without one and I think even the guidebooks mention that he doesn't have a nose. But I guess both the fight with Bacterian and the diamond-sniffing were gags, so it's inconclusive. So yeah, each to their own.

Heres another...

I think Broly's normal Super Saiyan form looks much better than his LSSJ form. Also I thought the blue tint in movie 8 looked really cool and how in movie 10, Broly looked so crazy as a SSJ. Kinda makes me wish that was his ultimate form.

Agreed. It made him look much more mysterious and imposing than what actually turned out to be his Legendary Super Saiyan form, which resembled something akin to a Super Saiyan Grade 3. Still, both transformations look cool.

To be honest, most of the things people don't like about the Buu arc are things that I like about it. I like that several power-ups and ideas to stop Buu didn't end up working. Making a story too streamlined can be boring.

The Boo arc was still streamlined because of that anyway. Gohan's power-up failed the same way Piccolo's fusion with Nail failed. Both of them had hyped-up relevance until one fight, after the villain just transformed again and turned the tables, making it seem utterly pointless.

Not to mention that DB shouldn't have descended into, frankly, half-assed self-parody towards the end, with poor writing to boot. Barely anything made actual coherent sense, and everyone became severe victims to PIS. I actually fucking disliked Gokuu in this arc, because of all the shitty decisions that he'd made and it was as if he hadn't even learned from his previous mistakes, therefore stunting his development.