Has TFS damaged the reputation of the franchise in the U.S.?

[RandomGuy96]

But Goku interacts with Yamcha in every arc except the Saiyan Arc.

Technically, yeah. But he says very little to Yamcha here, and certainly isn't as nice to him as he is in TFS's series.

[Kid Buu]

But yeah, you're right that Toriyama gave him (and arguably Vegeta, since he had further to fall) the most character derailment.

Also, I don't think TFS has damaged my views on the series, and I don't think it will unless they point out some major plothole that I never noticed in one of their gags. I doubt that will happen.

[Attitudefan]

But Goku interacts with Yamcha in every arc except the Saiyan Arc.

Yet never once does he speak to Chiaotzu, ever. Not once.

I for one am not against TFS! A lot of what I saw is my personal opinion sure, but my perception of how the fandom has reacted too!


I'm really not trying to be a hater or anything like that.

[KaiserNeko]

But Goku interacts with Yamcha in every arc except the Saiyan Arc.

Yet never once does he speak to Chiaotzu, ever. Not once.

Head-canon: Yamcha is utterly spooked by Chiaotzu and is afraid, should they exchange words, Chiaotzu will steal his soul.

[Kid Buu]

But Goku interacts with Yamcha in every arc except the Saiyan Arc.

Yet never once does he speak to Chiaotzu, ever. Not once.

Head-canon: Yamcha is utterly spooked by Chiaotzu and is afraid, should they exchange words, Chiaotzu will steal his soul.

I think he was referring to Goku not interacting with Chaozu, though.

Although, he kind of talks to Chaozu in the anime.

[Attitudefan]

But Goku interacts with Yamcha in every arc except the Saiyan Arc.

Yet never once does he speak to Chiaotzu, ever. Not once.

Head-canon: Yamcha is utterly spooked by Chiaotzu and is afraid, should they exchange words, Chiaotzu will steal his soul.

Same goes for Goku too! Now I really think Chiaotzu is some mythic, ghost thing that only Ten can interact with! Haha. And Krillin.

[RandomGuy96]

And Nappa, and Tao Paipai, and Piccolo.

[Kid Buu]

Actually, we do see Yamcha training with Chaozu in the comic.

Spoiler:

Notice the narrative bubbles though, someones name is missing.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I agree too, that I'm not a big fan of it. I lean on the side of "Abridged casts a negative light on the original series". It really does, and there is proof. The fans; Analytical Delusion just pointed out. I attended Anime Revolution, and most of the Dragonball fans were quoting, referencing, and canonizing the Abridged series. Very strange. I can understand why it's popular, since I have enjoyed a few episodes and kept up to date with it. It's just that, despite the intentions of the original creators, the Abridged series is more mocking than it is parodying, less of a homage or a throwback. It just blatantly says how stupid things are in the Dragonball universe.

I agree. To better word what I was said earlier, I dont like the way that the fanbase is taking the TFS series a bit more seriously than the original work, having it referenced at every con and having the memes that overlap serious character scenes undermines a lot of how people percieve these characters. Some people will push that TFS characterizations ARE what the characters objectively are. When I read a common from someone saying they wanted the TFS script in the games, I couldnt help but roll over on that.

The memes get out of hand at times as well, for every scene where a character gets hit with something the `dodge`joke is somewhere in the comments, yes its funny but piccolo isnt the referee of the fighting. As far as I know he only says that ONCE.

The worst case. Krillin`s fail count. I see that everywhere. People legitamently have NO respect for Krillin as a character anymore despite him being the hardest working human. When canon facts blurr with the jokes, thats when you know theres a problem. Its like when people were in constant debate over wether the scouter line was supposed to be 8000 or 9000. To damage control, Funimation made the TV dub 9000 just to appeal to people who recognize it that way instead of just having them accept the actual stat.

[BojGrass]

Edit: Pulling my original, long-winded and rambling post out of the conversation. If any mods happen across this feel free to delete it. I don't think it really contributes to the current discussion going on, and I'm honestly not entirely sure it even answered to original topic's question either.

[Gyt Kaliba]

On the topic of how the series treats some characters like Yamcha or Kuririn, I again think that the fault lays more with how some fans react to it than TFS themselves. Yeah, they take a lot of potshots at both characters, but...well, I think it's pretty well established around here now that I'm quite the fan of Kuririn, he's my favorite character. But not once can I remember a joke in Abridged that made me think any less of him or have an issue with how they were treating him, because it was all for laughs. What does bother me though is when the attitude with which he is treated in-series is taken to heart by some fans, who suddenly act as if that is exactly how he is in the real thing, and start trying to discredit his accomplishments or character points there.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's Toriyama's fault for portraying Yamcha as a loser (though I don't think he did it intentionally), but for Kuririn being a loser, I blame Toei. I was watching all of the movies recently, and Kuririn was treated as a gag character & a loser in every movie he appeared, with his usual catchphrase being "Why is it always me?!" when he easily gets beaten.

[ImmaDeker]

I don't watch the "show" regularly, but this thread got me to watch the last three episodes and the Coola movies. They were pretty funny; if not a little too self-aware(I prefer my comedy where it's not that obvious people are telling jokes). .

Self awareness is the violent heat death of comedy.

[KaiserNeko]

I don't watch the "show" regularly, but this thread got me to watch the last three episodes and the Coola movies. They were pretty funny; if not a little too self-aware(I prefer my comedy where it's not that obvious people are telling jokes). .

Self awareness is the violent heat death of comedy.

That's unfair. There's plenty, plenty of comedy out there that has effectively pulled off self-awareness. Especially from Mel Brooks.

And regardless, outside of the movies, we keep the characters in the show pretty grounded, without breaking the fourth wall. Sometimes they'll show a bit of self awareness, but this is still a PARODY; that's likely going to happen sometimes, even if it isn't the most clever way to do it.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Not to mention that that is again just an opinion, not a fact. I, for one, enjoy fourth-wall breaking humor. Like anything else it can be overdone, and often is, but when it's done in the right way, in the right place, few things can make me laugh more. Why anyone would flat-out have disdain for it is beyond me.

[ImmaDeker]

I don't watch the "show" regularly, but this thread got me to watch the last three episodes and the Coola movies. They were pretty funny; if not a little too self-aware(I prefer my comedy where it's not that obvious people are telling jokes). .

Self awareness is the violent heat death of comedy.

That's unfair. There's plenty, plenty of comedy out there that has effectively pulled off self-awareness. Especially from Mel Brooks.

As much as I give your series props for, if not having GREAT writing, usually having at least halfway decent writing, that moment in Episode of Bardock when you LITERALLY JUST HAVE GOKU EXPLAINING PLOT HOLES was the exact moment I stopped watching out of my own free will and now only watch when a friend shows me the series or watches around me.

Actually, "explaining" is way too generous. He just points them out. No punchline. Just pointing them out.

I know "we just goof off and shit out the movies" and whatnot, and obviously you're not remotely obligated to produce content that appeals to me specifically and nothing about my opinion means you should stop what you do or change your direction, and your method and learning process gives you success so you really SHOULDN'T stop, but what I'm saying is every Abridged writer is a word murderer.

(And context is key: If I'm discussing self awareness in the context of someone's statement about an Abridged series, there can be some assumption that there's a prism through which my statement being made. I ain't talkin' 'bout no Mel Brooks or Stamatopoulosesque Mr. Stopmotionanimationnames, I'm talking about

LITERALLY JUST HAVE GOKU EXPLAINING PLOT HOLES

Or like that one time Vegeta randomly goes FUCK GT. That random "fanboy" meta humor that is the death of comedy.)

Not to mention that that is again just an opinion, not a fact.

Right, but I assume the basic concept of discourse and conversation (i.e. the sharing of ones' opinions) is enough that people can just assume it's my personal opinion that this is the death of comedy and I do not have to spoonfeed this detail.

[Sshadow5001]

But...wasn't Goku explaining the plotholes Gohans dream? Anyway I liked it, it was like Goku read Gohan a bedtime story that made no sense.

[KaiserNeko]

As much as I give your series props for, if not having GREAT writing, usually having at least halfway decent writing, that moment in Episode of Bardock when you LITERALLY JUST HAVE GOKU EXPLAINING PLOT HOLES was the exact moment I stopped watching out of my own free will and now only watch when a friend shows me the series or watches around me.

Actually, "explaining" is way too generous. He just points them out. No punchline. Just pointing them out.

I know "we just goof off and shit out the movies" and whatnot, and obviously you're not remotely obligated to produce content that appeals to me specifically and nothing about my opinion means you should stop what you do or change your direction, and your method and learning process gives you success so you really SHOULDN'T stop, but what I'm saying is every Abridged writer is a word murderer.

Or like that one time Vegeta randomly goes FUCK GT. That random "fanboy" meta humor that is the death of comedy.)

Seriously, if you keep using Episode of Bardock as an example of bad writing, I have absolutely nothing for you. Episode of Bardock was one of the biggest piss takes we've ever taken and that ending with, yes, Goku literally pointing out plot holes was not AMAZING WRITING. It was never SUPPOSED TO BE; Episode of Bardock as a special was so throwaway and an obvious cash-in that we treated it very loosely and without much reverence. Also, it was Gohan asking about the plotholes, in which case Goku had no response, because the entire thing was a dream, explaining why none of it made ANY SENSE.

Also, when does Vegeta ever say Fuck GT? Are you talking about that moment where Vegeta's theme music comes on and it's the awful Dub GT theme? And he says, "Oh the fuck with this." Because if you're complaining about us using a GT reference, well... sorry, still a DragonBall parody.

[ImmaDeker]

Seriously, if you keep using Episode of Bardock as an example of bad writing, I have absolutely nothing for you. Episode of Bardock was one of the biggest piss takes we've ever taken and that ending with, yes, Goku literally pointing out plot holes was not AMAZING WRITING. It was never SUPPOSED TO BE. IT WAS GOHAN HAVING A DREAM ABOUT SOMETHING THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE. Also, it was Gohan asking about the plotholes, in which case Goku had no response, because the entire thing was a dream, explaining why none of it made ANY SENSE.

And my point is your thing you admit was bad was bad and it turned me off your work.

So, y'know.

And again, it's not like you just dovetail to shit after. There're isolated moments in the recent stuff that I've seen that I don't dislike. Little bits I thought were funny. I like 17 and 18 quite a bit.

But you can't possibly be flustered by someone who chooses to not actively follow a team that willingly admits it pushes out bad product. I mean, really, knowing that some of your content CAN just be willingly half assed (by your own admission!) should be a reasonable enough reason for me to not like what your teams does.

[Zephyr]

But you can't possibly be flustered by someone who chooses to not actively follow a team that willingly admits it pushes out bad product.

You're assuming that he said the product was bad. He acknowledged that the plot of the dream was poorly written. How well do your dreams hold up under scrutiny?

And that's beside the point that something with bad writing isn't inherently a bad product.