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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:23 am

Beerus sent some "dinosaur with a nasty attitude to destroy Earth"? What?! Champa appears to be in sneak mode going to do something, while Beerus is distracted with the SSJG quest.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:30 am

LightBing wrote:Beerus sent some "dinosaur with a nasty attitude to destroy Earth"? What?! Champa appears to be in sneak mode going to do something, while Beerus is distracted with the SSJG quest.
Hopefully it's Freeza plot.
Back, when we were still speculating about [F], I thought of different ways of Freeza to gain his power and one of them was him training with a God of Destruction from another universe. Even when Champa was first announced, I was speculating that maybe Champa would train Freeza to get back at Beerus for always annoying him, kinda like a more goofier version of Kame-sennin vs Tsuru-sennin.

Though I think it might be something completely different it's good to know, that he wasn't heading to Earth.
Also following up on TDC's comment about their attitudes, now that I've seen the translation it makes it even more jarring.
I'm Beerus, let's fight, :lol:
It's on the level of Abridged in that way.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:35 am

I'm still trying to figure out who the heck Champa is. I was quite certain he was another God of Destruction from Universe 6, but this chapter somewhat implies otherwise. Then I began thinking that he may be Beerus' brother, but that doesn't explain the female Whis he has with him.

Maybe he is the God of Destruction from Universe 6 and he just came to Universe 7 and met Beerus and thus the two know each other. I don't know. *shrugs*

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LightBing » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:37 am

dbgtFO wrote:
LightBing wrote:Beerus sent some "dinosaur with a nasty attitude to destroy Earth"? What?! Champa appears to be in sneak mode going to do something, while Beerus is distracted with the SSJG quest.
Hopefully it's Freeza plot.
Back, when we were still speculating about [F], I thought of different ways of Freeza to gain his power and one of them was him training with a God of Destruction from another universe. Even when Champa was first announced, I was speculating that maybe Champa would train Freeza to get back at Beerus for always annoying him, kinda like a more goofier version of Kame-sennin vs Tsuru-sennin.

Though I think it might be something completely different it's good to know, that he wasn't heading to Earth.
Also following up on TDC's comment about their attitudes, now that I've seen the translation it makes it even more jarring.
I'm Beerus, let's fight, :lol:
It's on the level of Abridged in that way.
That's an interesting theory although, I find it hard to believe Freeza would accept training from anyone. The way Champa is represented here makes me think he might be weaker than Beerus. Unless he's afraid of Whis and not him.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:40 am

LightBing wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
LightBing wrote:Beerus sent some "dinosaur with a nasty attitude to destroy Earth"? What?! Champa appears to be in sneak mode going to do something, while Beerus is distracted with the SSJG quest.
Hopefully it's Freeza plot.
Back, when we were still speculating about [F], I thought of different ways of Freeza to gain his power and one of them was him training with a God of Destruction from another universe. Even when Champa was first announced, I was speculating that maybe Champa would train Freeza to get back at Beerus for always annoying him, kinda like a more goofier version of Kame-sennin vs Tsuru-sennin.

Though I think it might be something completely different it's good to know, that he wasn't heading to Earth.
Also following up on TDC's comment about their attitudes, now that I've seen the translation it makes it even more jarring.
I'm Beerus, let's fight, :lol:
It's on the level of Abridged in that way.
That's an interesting theory although, I find it hard to believe Freeza would accept training from anyone. The way Champa is represented here makes me think he might be weaker than Beerus. Unless he's afraid of Whis and not him.
Isn't there that scene from one of the previews for Super where it looks like Beerus is teasing Champa? Perhaps they're rivals in the same vein as Goku and Vegeta.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:58 am

-Chapter 2-
So far, Toyble is a doing an awesome job. The only flaw is the cheap size. Other than that, couldn't aks for more.
SSj3 Goku vs Beerus is nothing special in BOG. This version is better. I like how Beerus was expecting Goku to be able to turn ssjg too.

I wasn't expecting Champa to appear so soon and I'm confused if he's from another universe or not.

I kinda forgot about this manga adaptation, so this was a good surprise this morning.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Darkprince410 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:00 am

funrush wrote:Perhaps Champa is the God of Creation? But if Beerus can hand the role of God of Destruction off to Goku so easily it's a weird coincidence that Champa and alt-Whis appear to be the same species as Beerus and Whis. Another idea, Champa could be stranded in this universe for whatever reason.
The Kaioushin are the "Gods of Creation" as they are the ones that provide the catalyst for planetary creation and growth.
Birusu16 wrote:I'm still trying to figure out who the heck Champa is. I was quite certain he was another God of Destruction from Universe 6, but this chapter somewhat implies otherwise. Then I began thinking that he may be Beerus' brother, but that doesn't explain the female Whis he has with him.
Well, provided it's not a translation error, North Kaiou's statement actually leaves it open for there to be multiple Hakaishin within our universe, rather than just the sole Hakaishin setup mentioned in Battle of Gods. When he's exasperated about Beerus coming to his planet, he refers to Beerus as "the most powerful God of Destruction in the universe". Granted, this could simply mean that not all of the Hakaishin before him were as powerful, but it could also mean that there are multiple Hakaishin in the universe, and Beerus is simply the strongest of all of them.

As such, it's possible then that Champa is simply another Hakaishin of Universe 7, and simply not as strong as Beerus is.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:05 am

Darkprince410 wrote:
Birusu16 wrote:I'm still trying to figure out who the heck Champa is. I was quite certain he was another God of Destruction from Universe 6, but this chapter somewhat implies otherwise. Then I began thinking that he may be Beerus' brother, but that doesn't explain the female Whis he has with him.
Well, provided it's not a translation error, North Kaiou's statement actually leaves it open for there to be multiple Hakaishin within our universe, rather than just the sole Hakaishin setup mentioned in Battle of Gods. When he's exasperated about Beerus coming to his planet, he refers to Beerus as "the most powerful God of Destruction in the universe". Granted, this could simply mean that not all of the Hakaishin before him were as powerful, but it could also mean that there are multiple Hakaishin in the universe, and Beerus is simply the strongest of all of them.

As such, it's possible then that Champa is simply another Hakaishin of Universe 7, and simply not as strong as Beerus is.
True, but there's the continuous statements of Beerus being the God of Destruction of Universe 7. I would think that if there were more then they'd simply refer to him as one of the Gods of Destruction of Universe 7. Not to mention the Elder Kai refers to Beerus as THE God of Destruction in episode 2. I guess we'll find out soon.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:15 am

Good chapter. Enjoyed Gokû and Kaio-sama's interactions. Needed desu (I love the desu scene in BOG.), but I understand the comic version of Super is cut for time.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:15 am

Darkprince410 wrote: Well, provided it's not a translation error, North Kaiou's statement actually leaves it open for there to be multiple Hakaishin within our universe, rather than just the sole Hakaishin setup mentioned in Battle of Gods. When he's exasperated about Beerus coming to his planet, he refers to Beerus as "the most powerful God of Destruction in the universe". Granted, this could simply mean that not all of the Hakaishin before him were as powerful, but it could also mean that there are multiple Hakaishin in the universe, and Beerus is simply the strongest of all of them.
I think this was said in the movie as well.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:52 am

"Dinosaur guy with a bad attitude" seems like a reference to Godzilla, if nothing else.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:02 am

Just read the chapter and it was pretty good. Beerus and Whis continue to be the stars of Dragon Ball Super in both the anime and manga.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by SSJGBGoku » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:57 am

Chapter 2 was good. Looking forward to the manga.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by jjgp1112 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:01 am

The art in this chapter was noticeably better, too. I guess Toyble had more time for this one?
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:44 am

Birusu16 wrote:
LightBing wrote:That's an interesting theory although, I find it hard to believe Freeza would accept training from anyone. The way Champa is represented here makes me think he might be weaker than Beerus. Unless he's afraid of Whis and not him.
Isn't there that scene from one of the previews for Super where it looks like Beerus is teasing Champa? Perhaps they're rivals in the same vein as Goku and Vegeta.
Yeah, it was in the 30 second preview and just by that it seems like Champa is inferior to Beerus and is the one to start arguments or whatever and getting too easily annoyed at Beerus' dismissive attitude towards him.

I like that the manga chapter explicitly tells us that only Gods can sense Gods. Hopefully the anime can be just as direct.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:28 pm

Well this definitely changes things a lot more. It looked like Chanpa is also headed where Beerus plans to go, more and more I think its gonna be SSG Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus and Chanpa.
Also the art was very solid this chapter, Toyotarou did a good job, that ssj2 and 3 looked epic as fck.

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Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:31 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:Well this definitely changes things a lot more. It looked like Chanpa is also headed where Beerus plans to go, more and more I think its gonna be SSG Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus and Chanpa.
I'm not so sure. Champa asks if Beerus has noticed them and Female Whis says she doesn't think so and that Beerus is heading somewhere else (Earth). Doesn't seem to make sense if Champa was also heading to Earth.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:34 pm

Birusu16 wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:Well this definitely changes things a lot more. It looked like Chanpa is also headed where Beerus plans to go, more and more I think its gonna be SSG Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus and Chanpa.
I'm not so sure. Champa asks if Beerus has noticed them and Female Whis says she doesn't think so and that Beerus is heading somewhere else (Earth). Doesn't seem to make sense if Champa was also heading to Earth.
I understood it as him wanting to spy on Beerus and probably try and catch him off guard? since it also looked like he was in a rush, unless he plans to trash Beerus temple while he's out (this might actually happen) ah heck with it.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Birusu16 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:36 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:
Birusu16 wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:Well this definitely changes things a lot more. It looked like Chanpa is also headed where Beerus plans to go, more and more I think its gonna be SSG Goku and Vegeta vs Beerus and Chanpa.
I'm not so sure. Champa asks if Beerus has noticed them and Female Whis says she doesn't think so and that Beerus is heading somewhere else (Earth). Doesn't seem to make sense if Champa was also heading to Earth.
I understood it as him wanting to spy on Beerus and probably try and catch him off guard? since it also looked like he was in a rush, unless he plans to trash Beerus temple while he's out (this might actually happen) ah heck with it.
Well we do see Champa at Beerus' temple. :lol:

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:50 pm

Birusu16 wrote: Well we do see Champa at Beerus' temple. :lol:
Aw... but having a tag team match seems a hell of a lot more interesting :lol: its a long shot but I still hope it turns out as a tag match.

Also, was I the only one that thought femwhis was sort of... cute?

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