"Complete Vegeta Saga" in Sept (w/ box art)

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:58 pm

BrollysKin wrote:I wonder if they will do the same to DBGT/DB? As far as releasing them in "Dragonbox-esque" form.

Waaaait a minute. This'll just snowball, so I'll get this out of the way.

Boxset releases, Digipacks, whatever, does not nessecerally mean Dragonbox. This is a lot of smaller releases, with one of them being primarily yellow. This does not make is Dragonbox-esque, it makes it just another ordinary boxset, though slightly different.

A Dragonbox esque treatment would mean it'd be a rather huge set with goodies and what not. This isn't. And I doubt Dragonball or GT would get similar treatment because they aren't as popular and aren't as 'in-need' as DBZ.

Movies, I'm thinking, you'll get a 1-3 set, and 7, 9 12 and 13 set.

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:22 pm

Dragon Ball is always "in-need", but yeah, I don't see FUNimation releasing box sets for the first and last series mostly because you already get the episodes in huge chunks. Also, when watching the series, the quality of the shows flow as one. If you look at the Ginyu DVDs from six or seven years ago and compare it to Dragon Ball Z DVDs from today, you notice a big difference in how you watch the show. Opening and closing animation are cut, the recaps from the previous episode, subtitles and translations incorrect, and eye-catches gone. If you watch all 291 episodes in a row, you're going to be getting different treatments for certain story arcs and it can leave the viewer feeling cheated. I feel that is why we are getting season sets and that they may be getting proper treatment this time around.

Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT don't really have this problem since you can watch both series with no problems (aside from the fact that the first 13 episodes of DB are still unavailable). I could only see FUNimation releasing DB and DBGT in season box sets so that all three series look uniform.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:52 pm

When they say "Season Sets" do they really mean "Sagas" because if they actually do go by seasons it might not be a good thing.

Remeber, they would play a season up untill the season ended, even if it was in the middle of the saga. For example, remeber the Majin Boo saga? The season ended when Vegeta blew himself up, we had to wait almost another year for the next season to begin and continue the saga. So, does this mean if they do strictly season sets it might not be a complete saga in a box set?

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:29 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:When they say "Season Sets" do they really mean "Sagas" because if they actually do go by seasons it might not be a good thing.

I'm sure that FUNi isn't stupid enough to go by the season versus saga thing. However, anything's up for debate until someone actually gets the set. Something that freaks me out is that this boxed set ends with the episode in which Bulma, and co. are sucked into that spaceship filled with kids, which is clearly an episode from the Namek Saga

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But even if they do do what you're suggesting, the worst we'll get are boxed sets with cliff hangers (which I don't really mind). What I'm hoping for FUNi to do with their future season sets (it's already been confirmed that they'll do the entire series) is a combination of some of the shorter Sagas that they've titled, like Trunks and Androids.

If you really think about it, fans mainly see DBZ as the Saiyan, Freeza, Cell, and Boo Sagas, but it's understood that FUNi'd split it into even smaller sagas to make their "quasi-boxed sets" (the ones that were just collections of their DVD singles) more affordable. But for all we know, with these new condensed sets, FUNi could be planning on keeping their Sagas "as is," leaving the biggest sagas in their releases to be the Vegeta, Namek, and Freeza Sagas (keeping the first two seasons grouped in the same way as they were back in the Pioneer days).

Then again, if the sagas were to be kept separate as they've always been, then FUNi could easily fit stuff like the Trunks, Android, and Garlic Jr. Sagas on one disc

... If they did this, then I guess it would be easier for fans to get the sagas that they preferred (as it's always been, but probably at a cheaper price).

Whew... I'll just be glad once FUNi gives us a little more light on this topic.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:38 am

Well regardless of what Funi does, this is all we are going to get. Dub fans will have to buy the season sets to watch the uncut Namek saga, considering Funi has stopped with the UUE's.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:51 am

They stopped the Ultimate Uncut volumes? I collected every single individual volume thus far just to have my collection shorted by a saga? well, this really bites it bad.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:38 am

DaemonCorps wrote:
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:When they say "Season Sets" do they really mean "Sagas" because if they actually do go by seasons it might not be a good thing.
I'm sure that FUNi isn't stupid enough to go by the season versus saga thing. However, anything's up for debate until someone actually gets the set. Something that freaks me out is that this boxed set ends with the episode in which Bulma, and co. are sucked into that spaceship filled with kids, which is clearly an episode from the Namek Saga ...

Ending the first season there kinda makes sense, IMO. It ends at a decent cliffhanger, the first mention of Freeza will be in the following episode, and it shows itself being more a "season" set than a "saga" set. My guess for the second season set, it'll likely go right to the end of the Ginyu arc, probably ending at the episode where Gohan and Kuririn summon Porunga. Anyone's guess is as good as mine, here's hoping they at least fix Daimao's original translation of the Ginyu episodes and make sure all the latter half of season 2 has the "proper" opening/ending sequences for the Japanese version, and include the eye-catchers as well.

BrollysKin wrote:Well regardless of what Funi does, this is all we are going to get. Dub fans will have to buy the season sets to watch the uncut Namek saga, considering Funi has stopped with the UUE's.

They haven't stopped the Ultimate Uncut volumes. -_-

Evidently, they still wanna milk the Spanish-Mexican version and 5.1 dub that may not be included in the season sets. Otherwise, why else continue releasing them?

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:39 pm

I sincerely hope so. I've invested a lot of money buying everything legally on DVD. I want the last of the episodes on individual volumes, even if I have to pay a little extra to finish out the set. I already have Ginyu-Kid Buu finished, so it would be a real shame to get to the end of the Vegeta Saga uncut and not get that gap between there and Ginyu episodes in my set.

These reprintings of Freeza discs makes me want to get those. I hate the spaceship interface and the junky way the menus work on those.

Getting everything in Saga sets would be nice and save space, but who would want to buy all my indidivuals off me? No one would when they could do the same thing and buy the sets. Same reason I have a bunch of the VHS left over still.

Ricochet0082 · Post by **Ricochet0082** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:12 pm

FUNimation's own website, the ZStore, doesn't have any mention of the Ultimate Uncut DVDs for July or August. I don't think we're getting anymore from them, just the first nine volumes. The two volumes, 10 and 11, have been up on the official Dragon Ball Z website for a couple of months now, before any news of the Season One appeared. So from this point on, it's Season sets or nothing (or old DVDs from Gamestop or eBay).

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:44 pm

Well, after listening to a pinchful of complaints about how lame the cover is, I decided to make my own semi-half-assed season box with some help of the kanzenban image:

Why can't FUNi actually make use of the plethora of good DBZ images out there?

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Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 8:18 pm

Because artwork costs money to license for specific releases, which is probably why they only used screenshots for the 3-4 ep per disc releases.

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:47 pm

Trust me. Whatever the cover was, some people still would have bitched about it just because FUNimations name is on it. I like the season box art FUNimation is putting out though. Its a good change.

I think those kanzenban pictures would have been a lot better if there eyes weren't the same color as there skin, like a Scooby-Doo cartoon.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:31 pm

Cover presentation is way overrated. It's the contents that counts. The cover could be hot pink for all I care, as long as the contents is fine and whatsnot, it's all OK to me.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:51 pm

But still... wouldn't it be cool if FUNi actualy gave in to all of our fanboy wants instead of just giving us what we want, but in a way that people would still complain?

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:55 pm

Cover presentation is way overrated. It's the contents that counts. The cover could be hot pink for all I care, as long as the contents is fine and whatsnot, it's all OK to me.

Cover presentation is suppost to be a major part of a release. Its the first thing your going to notice about the DVD. I just somtimes think FUNimation knows the fans of Dragonball will buy the DVD just cause they love the show that much, they don't even have to try and pull people in with fancy cover art. The Pioneer DVD cover art was awsome, maybe it was because Dragonball was a new thing and they wanted it to look nice to draw people to it. Now, they don't even have to try. I used to not like the this new season box art, but now. I like it. Don't know why.

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:18 am

But still... wouldn't it be cool if FUNi actualy gave in to all of our fanboy wants instead of just giving us what we want, but in a way that people would still complain?

And what are "fanboy wants", and how do we know that what one wants is the same as what another wants? To say nothing of that idea of "give the fans what they want" is something that only, well, fanboys ever says.

Cover presentation is suppost to be a major part of a release. Its the first thing your going to notice about the DVD. I just somtimes think FUNimation knows the fans of Dragonball will buy the DVD just cause they love the show that much, they don't even have to try and pull people in with fancy cover art.

I'll mildy agree that's always nice to have a good cover presentation. But beyond that, I really don't care. Contents are a hundred times more important, and if the content is good(or even crap), then so what?

BoxerGloves · Post by **BoxerGloves** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:48 pm

Well, with an original and great looking cover art, DBZ DVDs would attain a collectible quality. I mean look at any eBay listings of old Ocean dub First two seasons VHS and DVD releases. While they contain a horribly butchered dub episodes (with remarkable voice acting, I might add), they had really amazing covers. And you can see lots of people placing their bids on those. Hell, the only reason I decided not to sell off my VHS collection of Saiyan and Namek Saga, it was because of the great cover art (and the voice cast, which performed much better than Funimation's ever had, or ever will). Same thing goes for the first three DBZ movies DVD box set and VHS that I own, but that's another story.
On the other hand, Funimation's use of screenshots as covers (sorry, but screencaps are not worthy of being called "cover art") is very disappointing. They're as ugly as hell, if you ask me. In fact, it gives the DVDs a disposable and "for-one-time-use-only" feel. I mean, what in the hell prevented Funimation from hiring a decent graphic designer? Monetary reasons? At their pace of 3-4 episodes per home video release, it'd take them at least 70 or 80 DVD and VHS volumes to release the entire show. And they probably didn't want to cough up some money to give each and every volume an original cover art. Screw this, I've officially enetred the "ranting mode", so I'll stop. But I'd also like point out that if FUNi expects me to pay up $25 a pop for their DBZ DVDs, they should've done something to them that'd make me want to keep them as a worthy addition to my shelf, rather than rent and return them.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:54 pm

BoxerGloves wrote:But I'd also like point out that if FUNi expects me to pay up $25 a pop for their DBZ DVDs, they should've done something to them that'd make me want to keep them as a worthy addition to my shelf, rather than rent and return them.

True. FUNi's gotta realize by now that there just isn't that many hardcore DBZ shoppaholics out there anymore

. I guess that would explain how cheap this box set is gonna be... (and how little effort was put into the cover

). Don't get me wrong, though. I'm still gonna buy the set!

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:01 pm

BoxerGloves wrote:Well, with an original and great looking cover art, DBZ DVDs would attain a collectible quality. I mean look at any eBay listings of old Ocean dub First two seasons VHS and DVD releases. While they contain a horribly butchered dub episodes (with remarkable voice acting, I might add), they had really amazing covers. And you can see lots of people placing their bids on those.

The pioneer releases are also old and out of print, whereas the Funi releases are still running(or at least still fairly easy to find). The pioneer releases also have nostalgic value going for them, something the Funi releases don't have(at least not at this point). I don't doubt that some are attracted by the cover, but it strikes me as, well, kinda shallow. I also find the whole idea of "collectiblity" to be overrated.

I mean, what in the hell prevented Funimation from hiring a descent graphic designer? Monetary reasons? At their pace of 3-4 episodes per home video release, it'd take them at least 70 or 80 DVD and VHS volumes to release the entire show. And they probably didn't want to cough up some money to give each and every volume an original cover art.

Well, it seems the answer would be fairly straightforward here. 80+ volumes would've probably cost too much to make original art for each and every one of them(remember, it's not as if any company has an unlimited amount of money at their disposal). The covers for original DB and GT did have more effort put into them, so it may very well have been a quantiy issue(perhaps also inexperience at the time they were first put out).

But I'd also like point out that if FUNi expects me to pay up $25 a pop for their DBZ DVDs, they should've done something to them that'd make me want to keep them as a worthy addition to my shelf, rather than rent and return them.

Well, their tactics didn't work for you, I can see that. But it apparenty worked on millions others, given that they continued in that format for years, and only now are changing it.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:43 pm

Some news from the message boards of AnimeOnDVD.com!

lheiskell, a FUNimation representative, responded to someone's post about the 'disturbing' lack of news surrounding the season boxset at AnimeExpo. This is what he said:

Not distrubing. Just not the convention we planned on annoucing everything.

Hint. COMIC-CON.

So we should probably get more info on what FUNi is doing with DBZ within a few weeks.