"Dragon Ball Super" Bang Zoom Dub Official Discussion Thread

[8000 Saiyan]

Not sure how serious this is, but Kaiji Tang says he's pushing to get LittleKuriboh to voice Frieza!

https://twitter.com/KaijiTang/status/81 ... 91616?s=09

Eh, I like LittleKuriboh, but I'd prefer another actor.

[Lord Beerus]

Not sure how serious this is, but Kaiji Tang says he's pushing to get LittleKuriboh to voice Frieza!

https://twitter.com/KaijiTang/status/81 ... 91616?s=09

You know... I'd actually be really down with that.

And I'm still not digging Lex Lang as Goku but I hope hearing more will change my mind.

[huzaifa_ahmed]

Not sure how serious this is, but Kaiji Tang says he's pushing to get LittleKuriboh to voice Frieza!

https://twitter.com/KaijiTang/status/81 ... 91616?s=09

Eh, I like LittleKuriboh, but I'd prefer another actor.

I dunno, I really like the idea. Could certainly be seen as gimmicky (& also, something to keep in mind is that TFS isnt dubbing, they re-sync the flaps digitally - tbh I feel more dubs would benefit from this), I dunno if he could do it, I mean Steve Blum's Wolverine in the X-Men anime dub feels different than his cartoon Wolvie, & that's certainly due to being dubbed instead of prelaid. I'd really like it if I thought LK had that sort of experience, it'd be ideal honestly. It is also hilarious in context of this, that LK brought this up recently: https://twitter.com/yugiohtas/status/818910390520164352

I think a few of us around here (myself included) have figured Derek Stephen Prince or Keith Silverstein (or Steve Blum if this were a union dub) to play Freeza here. Keith & Steve sound like Nakao & have done very similar character voices, & DSP pretty much just does these sort of roles lol.

[8000 Saiyan]

Not sure how serious this is, but Kaiji Tang says he's pushing to get LittleKuriboh to voice Frieza!

https://twitter.com/KaijiTang/status/81 ... 91616?s=09

Eh, I like LittleKuriboh, but I'd prefer another actor.

I dunno, I really like the idea. Could certainly be seen as gimmicky (& also, something to keep in mind is that TFS isnt dubbing, they re-sync the flaps digitally - tbh I feel more dubs would benefit from this), I dunno if he could do it, I mean Steve Blum's Wolverine in the X-Men anime dub feels different than his cartoon Wolvie, & that's certainly due to being dubbed instead of prelaid. I'd really like it if I thought LK had that sort of experience, it'd be ideal honestly. It is also hilarious in context of this, that LK brought this up recently: https://twitter.com/yugiohtas/status/818910390520164352

I think a few of us around here (myself included) have figured Derek Stephen Prince or Keith Silverstein (or Steve Blum if this were a union dub) to play Freeza here. Keith & Steve sound like Nakao & have done very similar character voices, & DSP pretty much just does these sort of roles lol.

Well, I agree with you on that one about the flaps. Why don't people who work on dubs do such a thing like this?

[TheBlackPaladin]

Well, I agree with you on that one about the flaps. Why don't people who work on dubs do such a thing like this?

Syncing and timing issues, mostly. Issues that, for that matter, would cost even more money to fix.

Movies and TV shows are set to go at a certain pace, and to have music cues happen at precise times (and these music cues are usually composed according to what's happening on screen in the original version of the scene). If animation companies re-animated all their productions for every single dub out there, it would throw the timing off and result in each dubbed version of a production having a different run time. Not to mention that it would mean creating a different video track for each audio track. To top all of this off, doing this for every single dub out there would be incredibly expensive and time-consuming.

Having said that, there is a happy midway point that we'll probably see more of as it gets less expensive (and as new video formats allow for the storage of more video files). There is a special type of dub out there known as an "alternate lip-sync dub" in which the original production company is willing to re-animate the lip movements, but only the lip movements. So the dub actors still have to match the overall timing of the scene as well as the body motions of their characters, but they're no longer required to precisely match the lip movements. This is also expensive, which is why you don't see a ton of it, and even in the rare event when this does happen, it's usually only done for one other language (usually English). An example would be the video game, Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core.

While the lip flaps are literally the only thing they re-animated, they did re-animate them from the original Japanese version.
-The scene in the original Japanese version
-The scene in the alternate lip-sync English dub

Too expensive to be done that frequently yet, but I think in a decade or two (probably closer to two), we'll see more of these.

[Bansho64]

Not sure how serious this is, but Kaiji Tang says he's pushing to get LittleKuriboh to voice Frieza!

https://twitter.com/KaijiTang/status/81 ... 91616?s=09

Please, please, please, please, PLEASE let this happen. Like, this would probably be one of the highlights of 2017 for a lot of modern english-speaking DB fans.

[NitroEX]

The problem with using TFS Frieza for an official dub is that he won't have the TFS scripts to work with. Without the funny dialogue I'm not convinced the performance would go over as well. Not unless he can drastically shift gears and make his voice sound a little more menacing and less... camp. Then again I haven't heard his professional work so maybe he's more versatile than I'm giving him credit for.

[Nightmare Wheel]

The problem with using TFS Frieza for an official dub is that he won't have the TFS scripts to work with. Without the funny dialogue I'm not convinced the performance would go over as well. Not unless he can drastically shift gears and make his voice sound a little more menacing and less... camp. Then again I haven't heard his professional work so maybe he's more versatile than I'm giving him credit for.

I feel the very fact it's LittleKuriboh will make it difficult to take his performance seriously even if he made a total shift from his TFS work. I'm really hoping this just doesn't happen.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Either way we ain't gonna hear it. Finding it very hard to be interested in this now.

[Bansho64]

Either way we ain't gonna hear it. Finding it very hard to be interested in this now.

Huh? We don't even know if they rejected him for the role or not. Heck, we don't even know if they have even considered it. The guy literally just said he was gonna pitch the idea to the higher ups. I think we should at least wait and see what happens.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Either way we ain't gonna hear it. Finding it very hard to be interested in this now.

Huh? We don't even know if they rejected him for the role or not. Heck, we don't even know if they have even considered it. The guy literally just said he was gonna pitch the idea to the higher ups. I think we should at least wait and see what happens.

I think what Baggie_Saiyan meant (but correct me if I'm wrong, Baggie_Saiyan) was that we're never going to hear it, with "it" meaning the whole dub. Us Kanzenshuuers have been having a very difficult time tracking down people with the ability to record this dub as it airs on TV. We thought we had a contact in India for a bit, but now Super doesn't even appear to be airing in India (despite being advertised by Toonami Asia as airing there and despite Toonami Asia's Facebook page asking Indian fans what they thought of the first episode, resulting in tons of, "Huh? It didn't air!"-comments in the comments section). So, I'd be down for hearing this, but at this point, it looks like we'll be lucky to even get shaky-cam cell phone footage of this dub.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Either way we ain't gonna hear it. Finding it very hard to be interested in this now.

Huh? We don't even know if they rejected him for the role or not. Heck, we don't even know if they have even considered it. The guy literally just said he was gonna pitch the idea to the higher ups. I think we should at least wait and see what happens.

I think what Baggie_Saiyan meant (but correct me if I'm wrong, Baggie_Saiyan) was that we're never going to hear it, with "it" meaning the whole dub. Us Kanzenshuuers have been having a very difficult time tracking down people with the ability to record this dub as it airs on TV. We thought we had a contact in India for a bit, but now Super doesn't even appear to be airing in India (despite being advertised by Toonami Asia as airing there and despite Toonami Asia's Facebook page asking Indian fans what they thought of the first episode, resulting in tons of, "Huh? It didn't air!"-comments in the comments section). So, I'd be down for hearing this, but at this point, it looks like we'll be lucky to even get shaky-cam cell phone footage of this dub.

Yeah this is what I meant sorry Bansho64 for not making that clear, but yeah to further echo I decided to do a bit of research and what I discovered drained pretty much any excitement I had, as the Toonami India Facebook and Twitter pages were actually from fans and the first episode of the BZ dub aired but not India... However I found the official Toonami India page and....absolutely nothing on Super can be found just Z. My family were going down to visit family in India next month and I was gonna get them to record the audio at least and hulkedoutdude said he knew some folks who could do something if it aired in india... But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia been a month almost and nothing has surfaced from the episode that aired, perhaps the timing is the issue? Weekday early morning most fans who aren't kids and who could do something are probably busy as work.

[TheBlackPaladin]

But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore...

Well, I know this is a long shot, but maybe we could track down the people who managed to record the Singapore English dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece?

[huzaifa_ahmed]

The problem with using TFS Frieza for an official dub is that he won't have the TFS scripts to work with. Without the funny dialogue I'm not convinced the performance would go over as well. Not unless he can drastically shift gears and make his voice sound a little more menacing and less... camp. Then again I haven't heard his professional work so maybe he's more versatile than I'm giving him credit for.

I feel the very fact it's LittleKuriboh will make it difficult to take his performance seriously even if he made a total shift from his TFS work. I'm really hoping this just doesn't happen.

I had this thought the other day, that this happened with Optimus Prime in another small non-union job at Bang Zoom, the recent Transformers Devastation (?) mini-series. Jon Bailey (Honest Trailers VO) who loves Optimus & is constantly voicing him in fan works, got to play him officially here. Granted, this is more of an outsourced foreign-dub deal, but it's the only analogy I can think of. His official Optimus isnt bad. However I feel that Neil Kaplan reprising, or even say, Richard Epcar or perhaps Paul St. Peter, would likely have done much better. Similarly, I think that Derek Prince or Keith Silverstein would likely be better as Freeza, even though I love the idea of LK as official Freeza.

The guy literally just said he was gonna pitch the idea to the higher ups.

Just to clarify, "the guy" is Vegeta. He's not a bad VA at all, he's been around the block & certainly a more accomplished professional VA than LK (who is popular & talented for different reasons). I may be looking into it too much as a VA fan, but I'm interpreting your wording as dismissive. Kaiji is a pretty decent VA & in fact I think he's a better casting for Vegeta than Sabat is. He played Archer from Fate Stay Night, & that's a similar character too.

[Bansho64]

Yeah this is what I meant sorry Bansho64 for not making that clear, but yeah to further echo I decided to do a bit of research and what I discovered drained pretty much any excitement I had, as the Toonami India Facebook and Twitter pages were actually from fans and the first episode of the BZ dub aired but not India... However I found the official Toonami India page and....absolutely nothing on Super can be found just Z. My family were going down to visit family in India next month and I was gonna get them to record the audio at least and hulkedoutdude said he knew some folks who could do something if it aired in india... But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia been a month almost and nothing has surfaced from the episode that aired, perhaps the timing is the issue? Weekday early morning most fans who aren't kids and who could do something are probably busy as work.

Oh, my bad bro I thought you meant something else.

As for the airings, I hope it's not the case that we don't get to see any of it. Maybe we could get someone here to do it?

Just to clarify, "the guy" is Vegeta. He's not a bad VA at all, he's been around the block & certainly a more accomplished professional VA than LK (who is popular & talented for different reasons). I may be looking into it too much as a VA fan, but I'm interpreting your wording as dismissive. Kaiji is a pretty decent VA & in fact I think he's a better casting for Vegeta than Sabat is. He played Archer from Fate Stay Night, & that's a similar character too.

I was in no way trying to be dismissive of him. I was just saying that Kaiji informed us not that long ago.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore...

Well, I know this is a long shot, but maybe we could track down the people who managed to record the Singapore English dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece?

There were Asian dubs of those shows? I did not know that interesting!

Yeah this is what I meant sorry Bansho64 for not making that clear, but yeah to further echo I decided to do a bit of research and what I discovered drained pretty much any excitement I had, as the Toonami India Facebook and Twitter pages were actually from fans and the first episode of the BZ dub aired but not India... However I found the official Toonami India page and....absolutely nothing on Super can be found just Z. My family were going down to visit family in India next month and I was gonna get them to record the audio at least and hulkedoutdude said he knew some folks who could do something if it aired in india... But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia been a month almost and nothing has surfaced from the episode that aired, perhaps the timing is the issue? Weekday early morning most fans who aren't kids and who could do something are probably busy as work.

Oh, my bad bro I thought you meant something else.

As for the airings, I hope it's not the case that we don't get to see any of it. Maybe we could get someone here to do it?

Unfortunately, does not seem anyone who lives in those countries is active on Kanzenshuu currently.
Another reason could be since the FUNi dub is rolling out pretty much the same time maybe no one will bother uploading the BZ dub, like I know the Asian dub of Fairy Tail were out/done before FUNi got the show and so they landed online so that could be another reason? Or maybe I am overthinking? Maybe once the episodes roll out on a schedule someone will upload something, at this point I would just take clips of the key scenes.

[TheBlackPaladin]

But do far it seems it's only airing in Malaysia, Singapore...

Well, I know this is a long shot, but maybe we could track down the people who managed to record the Singapore English dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece?

There were Asian dubs of those shows? I did not know that interesting!

Well, "Asian" in the sense that they aired and were recorded in Asia. They didn't use Asian actors, though. They were English dubs recorded with American actors who were living in Singapore at the time. Basically, a Singapore-based company called Odex was able to get the rights for both of these shows since 4Kids grabbed all of the international rights except for Asia, which fell under Odex's territory (and, as a nice bonus, they kept the original music). They commissioned a company called "Voiceovers Unlimited" to produce their English dub. So, if you search for "Yugioh Singapore dub," or "Yugioh Odex dub," or things to that effect, you'll be able to find them. Here are some clips.

-Odex Yu-Gi-Oh! dub
-More Yu-Gi-Oh!
-Odex One Piece dub
-More One Piece

As it relates to this conversation, what I'm saying is that somehow, people in Singapore managed to record these dubs as they aired in Singapore, and this was back in the early 2000's. So, if we can track down the people who recorded them, maybe they can help us with the Bang-Zoom dub of Super.

[8000 Saiyan]

http://toonamifaithful.com/english-dub- ... all-super/

Gohan is going to be played by Chris Hackney and Doug Erholtz will play Whis.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Well, I know this is a long shot, but maybe we could track down the people who managed to record the Singapore English dubs of Yu-Gi-Oh! and One Piece?

There were Asian dubs of those shows? I did not know that interesting!

Well, "Asian" in the sense that they aired and were recorded in Asia. They didn't use Asian actors, though. They were English dubs recorded with American actors who were living in Singapore at the time. Basically, a Singapore-based company called Odex was able to get the rights for both of these shows since 4Kids grabbed all of the international rights except for Asia, which fell under Odex's territory (and, as a nice bonus, they kept the original music). They commissioned a company called "Voiceovers Unlimited" to produce their English dub. So, if you search for "Yugioh Singapore dub," or "Yugioh Odex dub," or things to that effect, you'll be able to find them. Here are some clips.

-Odex Yu-Gi-Oh! dub
-More Yu-Gi-Oh!
-Odex One Piece dub
-More One Piece

As it relates to this conversation, what I'm saying is that somehow, people in Singapore managed to record these dubs as they aired in Singapore, and this was back in the early 2000's. So, if we can track down the people who recorded them, maybe they can help us with the Bang-Zoom dub of Super.

Ah thank you! Your knowledge of dubs is impeccable! Hopefully some does, since home video is not going to be a thing.

[jelleline89]

Either way we ain't gonna hear it. Finding it very hard to be interested in this now.

Can't say for certain yet, but a friend and I are very close to finalizing an agreement to get this recorded. This may not happen before the premiere, and it'll be in standard definition, but I have a really good feeling about it.