Dragon Ball Z: Cooler Double Feature Discussion

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:55 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:It's funny how the colors in Japan's first release match America's latest release so well.
FUNimation: Bringing you the approximate colors from a degraded VHS release from...what, 16 years ago?

-Corey

Weren't you the one who listed the old TOEI VHS tapes as one of the releases with colors close to the Dragon Box? In that case, don't you feel just a tad bit hypocritical?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:11 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Weren't you the one who listed the old TOEI VHS tapes as one of the releases with colors close to the Dragon Box? In that case, don't you feel just a tad bit hypocritical?

Not at all. Notice the key word, "degraded." VHS tape degrades with time and use, that's one of the main reasons DVD became widely accepted.

Now, if someone wants to show me one of the movies with a LD release that looks like FUNimation's new releases, then I'll own up to being wrong.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:10 pm

6 side-by-side comparisons:

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:13 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:6 side-by-side comparisons:

*SNIP*
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You can really see it there; they turned down the brightness. On the season sets they seemed to turn it up.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:20 pm

It's sad how much detail is lost here. Granted, FUNi's original releases had horrible edge enhancement (which makes the difference even more startling), but just looking at the remastered shots you can see the blurriness of the details. And just think, this is on downscaled screenshots (which means the detail is probably lacking even moreso at the native resolution).

And as a sidenote, had I never seen the R2 DVD's, I would have though Goku's undershirt was black most of the time

-Corey

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:28 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:It's sad how much detail is lost here. Granted, FUNi's original releases had horrible edge enhancement (which makes the difference even more startling), but just looking at the remastered shots you can see the blurriness of the details. And just think, this is on downscaled screenshots (which means the detail is probably lacking even moreso at the native resolution).

And as a sidenote, had I never seen the R2 DVD's, I would have though Goku's undershirt was black most of the time

-Corey

Seriously, IMO it's not half as bad as you say so, but in the end it's all about opinion. Goku's shirt could be green yellow blue black white. Whatever. In every version the colors are a bit different. Now if someone could tell me wich one is the real one, with proof...

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:29 pm

The only shot that's REALLY bad there is the one with Goku's overly-orange pants. Even the single looks better'n that.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:33 pm

I seriously think that some of you guys just like to bash anything that Funi does, even if it isn't even bad.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:46 pm

I think I prefer the single there. Why's it so dark?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:54 pm

So did they zoom out on these? The Singles look like they're zoomed in closer than the remastered ones.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:23 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I seriously think that some of you guys just like to bash anything that Funi does, even if it isn't even bad.

Look at Goku's skin. See how in the "Remastered" version it looks like he's made of plastic? To me, that looks bad. Playing aimlessly with contrast, color saturation and DVNR processing makes an inferior product. Especially when your aim is to make an HD master.

Aside from that, I wasn't aware that FUNimation only did DragonBall, which are practically the only releases of theirs that I have serious issues with

-Corey

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:26 pm

Goku's skin color is the only thing I have issue with. Compared to the Movies Dbox the remastered movies are okay.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:41 pm

Yeah I actually think jjgp1112 is right this time around. Those look perfectly alike.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:31 pm

I honestly don't know why people are saying that the detail is blurred out. Look at the two SSJ Close-up shots. They look the same except with different colors.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I honestly don't know why people are saying that the detail is blurred out. Look at the two SSJ Close-up shots. They look the same except with different colors.

Look at the blood, you can see the loss of detail there.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:58 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I seriously think that some of you guys just like to bash anything that Funi does, even if it isn't even bad.
Look at Goku's skin. See how in the "Remastered" version it looks like he's made of plastic? To me, that looks bad. Playing aimlessly with contrast, color saturation and DVNR processing makes an inferior product. Especially when your aim is to make an HD master.

Aside from that, I wasn't aware that FUNimation only did DragonBall, which are practically the only releases of theirs that I have serious issues with

-Corey

Dude, we already seen that the remastered releases colors are very similar to the Dragon Box, especially in that shot...

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:26 pm

SSJ2bardock wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I honestly don't know why people are saying that the detail is blurred out. Look at the two SSJ Close-up shots. They look the same except with different colors.
Look at the blood, you can see the loss of detail there.

YES! There is blurring in the FUNI version! People that can't see it either need their displays adjusted or eyes checked (or possibly just a larger display). The Noise Reduction process FUNI uses to get rid of film-grain gets rid of detail too.

Here are both versions zoomed in for you guys who can't see it. But there are apparently others who can see it without zooming in.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:48 pm

I understand where you're coming from, but when you need to zoom in to such a close, pixelated level to even be able to tell... I think that's bordering on the level of "insignificant."

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:38 pm

^ Yeah I think it's a bit silly too.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:23 am

That post really had me laughing. You go through all that just to justify silly complaints.