Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[FortuneSSJ]

new movie reference sheets

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Why do I look to that and feels like this movie will be ROF 2?

I don't like how they are showing Freeza soldiers in there, because it just gives me ROF vibes. Maybe they just wanted to show some new characters, but unless they have interesting new characters to show like the evil Saiyan, the bottom three should have been Piccolo, Beerus and Whis designs.

[sintzu]

I’d prefer that UI be exclusive to Goku. With how it’s been treated as this almost unattainable level of power that surpasses even the Gods of Destruction, I think it would cheapen its impact if other people started using it. Then again, this is the same franchise that once built up super saiyans as this legendary level of power, so go figure.

Super Saiyan once was this legendary unique ability, and now it has literarily become childsplay. Something being OP is no real argument IMHO since the benchmark or definition of what's OP always tend to shift as the series progress.
A reason why UI could become the new benchmark: it's not a SSJ-ability, theoretically it would give opportunities for Piccolo or humans to catch up on the long run (headcanon i admit). Nothing suggests they would be as strong as Goku or the Gods if they'd learn UI to some degree. They are less powerful all the way, but UI could give them a significant boost.
A reason why it wouldn't become the benchmark so soon: you destroy story opportunities with the Gods of Destruction, they are created for a reason, a second duel with Beerus or another God becoming the villain of an arc might still be a possibility. But logically speaking: the usage of UI at will would become the next step within Gokus divine training schedule.

The only way UI can stay as this legendary thing is if DB were to end with the next movie which isn't the case so eventually it'll be used in a baseball game like Blue was.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

They've started prepping early for global release (as further evidenced by the south American releases in Jan) that's a very relieving thing to read, for once they look to be on top of things! But unfortunately the UK is stuck with Toei Europe while everyone will probably get it early 2019 we'll probably have to wait until the spring. /:

Early 2019 would be better than what we got before but that's still late when you take into account that spoilers will spread the minute it opens in Japan. Then you've got all the merchandise they'll announce soon after which will most likely include major spoilers.

Oh the movie merchandise is coming out immediately in December, all figures for the movie have already been sculpted earlier this year (if it's like BoG & ResF then every single figure will be sculpted by Mr. Nakazawa). Just a case of keeping the major stuff hush until December, they did a great job with UI hopefully more of the same here and hopefully nothing gets leaked...

[WittyUsername]

I’d prefer that UI be exclusive to Goku. With how it’s been treated as this almost unattainable level of power that surpasses even the Gods of Destruction, I think it would cheapen its impact if other people started using it. Then again, this is the same franchise that once built up super saiyans as this legendary level of power, so go figure.

Super Saiyan once was this legendary unique ability, and now it has literarily become childsplay. Something being OP is no real argument IMHO since the benchmark or definition of what's OP always tend to shift as the series progress.
A reason why UI could become the new benchmark: it's not a SSJ-ability, theoretically it would give opportunities for Piccolo or humans to catch up on the long run (headcanon i admit). Nothing suggests they would be as strong as Goku or the Gods if they'd learn UI to some degree. They are less powerful all the way, but UI could give them a significant boost.
A reason why it wouldn't become the benchmark so soon: you destroy story opportunities with the Gods of Destruction, they are created for a reason, a second duel with Beerus or another God becoming the villain of an arc might still be a possibility. But logically speaking: the usage of UI at will would become the next step within Gokus divine training schedule.

The only way UI can stay as this legendary thing is if DB were to end with the next movie which isn't the case so eventually it'll be used in a baseball game like Blue was.

Would that mean that the next threshold for Goku would be to surpass the angels?

[sintzu]

Would that mean that the next threshold for Goku would be to surpass the angels?

We don't know where he is exactly compared to the destroyers so I think we'll first get a definitive answer to that before moving on to the angles and whatever else that's beyond them.

[AnimeNation101]

They've started prepping early for global release (as further evidenced by the south American releases in Jan) that's a very relieving thing to read, for once they look to be on top of things! But unfortunately the UK is stuck with Toei Europe while everyone will probably get it early 2019 we'll probably have to wait until the spring. /:

What do you mean “stuck” with Toei EU? And how are things looking for the U.S?

[PFM18]

Would that mean that the next threshold for Goku would be to surpass the angels?

We don't know where he is exactly compared to the destroyers so I think we'll first get a definitive answer to that before moving on to the angles and whatever else that's beyond them.

I think they made it extremely clear that in his Completed Ultra Instinct he surpassed the Destroyers pretty easily

[WittyUsername]

Would that mean that the next threshold for Goku would be to surpass the angels?

We don't know where he is exactly compared to the destroyers so I think we'll first get a definitive answer to that before moving on to the angles and whatever else that's beyond them.

I think they made it extremely clear that in his Completed Ultra Instinct he surpassed the Destroyers pretty easily

All I know is that supplementary material suggested that he’s beyond the Destroyers, and since Jiren is supposed to be stronger than Belmod, it would suggest that Goku with UI is at the very least around the same ballpark as the Destroyers.

[AnimeNation101]

So does anyone think the new chgaracters we got that have the guns and scouters (Lemo and Chirai) are Tuffles? I just assumed the most obvious idea that they were Freeza’s soldiers but now i wonder. But Lemo doesn’t look like the race of a Tuffle and Chirai (while sharing more resemblance) has green skin and Tuffles aren’t green.

Do you think we’ll see Tuffles at all? Whether it be in flashbacks or in the present?

[theTUN]

So does anyone think the new chgaracters we got that have the guns and scouters (Lemo and Chirai) are Tuffles? I just assumed the most obvious idea that they were Freeza’s soldiers but now i wonder. But Lemo doesn’t look like the race of a Tuffle and Chirai (while sharing more resemblance) has green skin and Tuffles aren’t green.

Do you think we’ll see Tuffles at all? Whether it be in flashbacks or in the present?

They almost certainly aren't, why do you think they are?

[JulieYBM]

That we are not three months past the end of Dragon Ball Super and Tate Naoki and Oonishi Ryou are MIA makes me quite confident that they are working on this film and will have the time to really outshine rheir work on the series. I don't doubt Iyoku's words, considering the director and his available staff.

[Bergamo]

So does anyone think the new chgaracters we got that have the guns and scouters (Lemo and Chirai) are Tuffles? I just assumed the most obvious idea that they were Freeza’s soldiers but now i wonder. But Lemo doesn’t look like the race of a Tuffle and Chirai (while sharing more resemblance) has green skin and Tuffles aren’t green.

Do you think we’ll see Tuffles at all? Whether it be in flashbacks or in the present?

Tuffles aren't canon. They were never shown or mentioned in the original manga.

[Dragono]

I'm not saying i don't want to see something new, I'm saying new shit in it of itself is not good.

Of course I don't want something new that's bad but if it can be done well then I'd take that over something we're familiar with. I'm fine with them using things we're used to but I'd just like more new mixed in to keep things fresh.

Modern day dragon ball is a monkey's paw.

Plus dragon ball itself is not a fresh series, its 30 years old.By all rights, it should be dead lol.

[Michsi]

That we are not three months past the end of Dragon Ball Super and Tate Naoki and Oonishi Ryou are MIA makes me quite confident that they are working on this film and will have the time to really outshine rheir work on the series. I don't doubt Iyoku's words, considering the director and his available staff.

Question for those who are more in the know: I've seen a lot of positive reactions to currently running Toei shows like Precure and Kitaro, in the sense that overall animation quality has clearly been upped. Given that they are also working on a big movie, is it safe to say that they have somewhat managed to solve their scheduling problems?

Tuffles aren't canon. They were never shown or mentioned in the original manga.

I keep forgetting what Toriyama incorporated in his manga from the anime and what he didn't. I also thought the tuffles were in the original too. Or maybe I'm remembering an interview from a Daizenshiu or something, because I know I read somewhere that planet Vegeta isn't the original home plate of the saiyans long before Super started.

[sintzu]

Tuffles aren't canon. They were never shown or mentioned in the original manga.

I keep forgetting what Toriyama incorporated in his manga from the anime and what he didn't. I also thought the tuffles were in the original too. Or maybe I'm remembering an interview from a Daizenshiu or something, because I know I read somewhere that planet Vegeta isn't the original home plate of the saiyans long before Super started.

The Saiyan background and their war with the Tuffles weren't in the manga but that backstory was written by Toriyama for the anime.

[Michsi]

Tuffles aren't canon. They were never shown or mentioned in the original manga.

I keep forgetting what Toriyama incorporated in his manga from the anime and what he didn't. I also thought the tuffles were in the original too. Or maybe I'm remembering an interview from a Daizenshiu or something, because I know I read somewhere that planet Vegeta isn't the original home plate of the saiyans long before Super started.

The Saiyan background and their war with the Tuffles weren't in the manga but that backstory was written by Toriyama for the anime.

Thanks!

Well, I guess we can consider them official in that case. So yeah, they might be Tuffles, but I'm still mostly leaning towards them being just random aliens, and the reason they have fruit based names is because Freeza's previous henchmen also did ( Zarbon and Dodoria)

[JulieYBM]

That we are not three months past the end of Dragon Ball Super and Tate Naoki and Oonishi Ryou are MIA makes me quite confident that they are working on this film and will have the time to really outshine rheir work on the series. I don't doubt Iyoku's words, considering the director and his available staff.

Question for those who are more in the know: I've seen a lot of positive reactions to currently running Toei shows like Precure and Kitaro, in the sense that overall animation quality has clearly been upped. Given that they are also working on a big movie, is it safe to say that they have somewhat managed to solve their scheduling problems?

Tuffles aren't canon. They were never shown or mentioned in the original manga.

I keep forgetting what Toriyama incorporated in his manga from the anime and what he didn't. I also thought the tuffles were in the original too. Or maybe I'm remembering an interview from a Daizenshiu or something, because I know I read somewhere that planet Vegeta isn't the original home plate of the saiyans long before Super started.

A little. Touei Animation's new studio fully opened this year, which makes it easier to communicate between staff. Kitarou and PreCure began their production in summer of 2017, too, so that gives them extra months as a head start. Super only had three months before broadcast and was basically made at the last second. PreCure and Kitarou have a lot of good staff working on them, too.

This movie's animation was apparently already being animated at least as early as January and we know that Nagamine left the series for the film in September or October. That should factor in very well, especially since part of the film is being animated in France, I believe.

The new studio policies are forcing staff to take vacations and not work from home, though, even at the expense of quality, so I do worry about that.

[Bergamo]

I keep forgetting what Toriyama incorporated in his manga from the anime and what he didn't. I also thought the tuffles were in the original too. Or maybe I'm remembering an interview from a Daizenshiu or something, because I know I read somewhere that planet Vegeta isn't the original home plate of the saiyans long before Super started.

The Saiyan background and their war with the Tuffles weren't in the manga but that backstory was written by Toriyama for the anime.

Thanks!

Well, I guess we can consider them official in that case. So yeah, they might be Tuffles, but I'm still mostly leaning towards them being just random aliens, and the reason they have fruit based names is because Freeza's previous henchmen also did ( Zarbon and Dodoria)

Toriyama designed Broly, but that doesn't make him official. They aren't tuffles.

[Michsi]

The new studio policies are forcing staff to take vacations and not work from home, though, even at the expense of quality, so I do worry about that.

I've read something about that. Technically, I am all for practices that are meant to keep employees from overworking but they need to be implemented in such a way that doesn't lead to more stress. A two week vacation won't do much for your health if that results in more work for several months to come.

Either way, I'm happy that things are looking up for the studio and hope the upward trend continues. I got a feeling Super had a lot to do with that as international interest shined a limelight on the studio's problems. Maybe.

Toriyama designed Broly, but that doesn't make him official. They aren't tuffles.

Design and story elements are two separate things, and considering that Toei helped a lot with the script and that Toriyama is open to suggestions, you can never know what will pop in the story and what won't.

[Saiga]

The Saiyan background and their war with the Tuffles weren't in the manga but that backstory was written by Toriyama for the anime.

Thanks!

Well, I guess we can consider them official in that case. So yeah, they might be Tuffles, but I'm still mostly leaning towards them being just random aliens, and the reason they have fruit based names is because Freeza's previous henchmen also did ( Zarbon and Dodoria)

Toriyama designed Broly, but that doesn't make him official. They aren't tuffles.

But they DID make Kale based off Broly.

Also, Toriyama mentioned them in a recentish (last five years) interview, where he talked about them inventing the scouter.