Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[dragon boss z]

To conclude it follows the manga more because there's "less of a power jump" is entirely arbitrary. You don't really have much of a way of actually quantifying that to be true. If anything, the jump in forms is bigger in the manga because Goku told Toppo that SSG was on a completely different level from his other forms, and in the anime post-ritual SSG is clearly a fairly modest boost over SSJ3. Also, MSSB is superior in power to normal SSB, otherwise Goku would have never been able to fight Merged Zamasu as a MSSB. He got wrecked as a normal SSB, and then was doing alright against Merged Zamasu as a MSSB.

In the anime Goku and Vegeta left Frieza in the dust though with their new power ups, while in the manga they seemed more or less just a bit above Frieza. And in regards to the SSG power up, in the Hit fight in the manga Goku went base, to ssj, to SSG similar to how he they did in this movie, and the power scaling seemed to be similar. Without given multipliers it's all just guessing though.
You could even arguably say that the form they used in the Broly movie was the new powered up SSB form Vegeta learned in the manga, as that form didn't have pupils and the aura still matches up. I'm not saying I think that's what it is, but you could argue that so it lines up with the manga. We'll see in the future manga chapters, if Goku and Vegeta both use that new SSB version then I would say it may be true, but if only Vegeta uses it, or if neither of them use it, then I would disregard it.

Source is above me addressed to another poster.

I see where you are coming from with those, but they are really not definite proof of anything. It just says it's a continuation of the anime, which it is. I'm just saying it also is a continuation of the movies and manga.

Which again proves that it's in the anime. That and Bulma couldn't have just been making a bunch of secret wishes since everyone knows when Shenron is summoned. So Shenron having one wished matched the anime. Especially the manga where Shenron is never summoned against after Resurrection 'F'.

The movie flat out implied Bulma has already used the dragon balls to look younger, and nobody knew, so you using everyone noticing Shenron being summoned doesn't really work as a counter. In RoF the Frieza soldiers used the dragon balls to summon shenron, and it's not like anyone even tried to show up and stop them. They just noticed the sky go dark and went along with their day, lol.

In a battle royal, the strongest doesn't always necessary win since you can be jumped from all angles. Especially in an out all fight where everyone is about equal.

I agree, I'm just going with implied strength. Black also stated he considered Beerus to the most troublesome GoD in the manga.

That's Beerus's statement, not Whis and Beerus is known to be full of it while Whis for for the most part has a more flawless record. And Whis had no reason to lie or troll at that moment since that scene was played serious. And the manga isn't the anime and vice verse since the anime made it clear arm wrestling match god = mortal stronger than a God of Destruction.

I don't think Whis said the GoD that beat Beerus in an arm wrestle was definitely the one who has a mortal stronger than him in his universe. If I remember correctly, he just said there was a GoD that beat Beerus in an arm wrestle, and that there also happened to be a rumor of a mortal stronger than a GoD.

So did Jiren who went from being bodied by UI Goku to matching him. So they both did the same thing.

True, which is why I said Jiren could be stronger.

Resurrection 'F' doesn't have a manga version. The only thing it has is a movie promo version that isn't even complete and doesn't completely go with Super manga since Toyo overlaid Super Saiyan God Goku over base form Goku, implying that base form Goku = Super Saiyan God, yet he can used Super Saiyan God as a normal form in the manga.

Overlapping SSG with base form doesn't mean they are equal, it just means he is accessing some of his god power, and considering base Goku fought a Broly even stronger than the one who was beating back SSG Vegeta, I would say it's possible he could do that in this movie as well. Also I consider the RoF movie as the closest thing to the manga version of the events.

Super also doesn't follow Kai, since Buu Kai still had the Hell filler from Z that doesn't match Super, one of the bank robbers in the Saiyaman storyline in Super came from the manga not the anime, and Pikkon is in the end of original Kai, but never comes to mind when Goku is trying to decide who will replaced Buu.

Pikkon only showed up for a few seconds in a montage just to show Goku training in other world. It says nothing about his strength or character. He was essentially a background nobody in kai. The bank robbers from the manga don't contradict kai, that's just a manga cameo. Gregory, who actually has a big part in the anime, showing up in multiple episodes with actual dialogue, is a far more convincing argument then a background manga cameo. Bulma also mentioned the Ginyu frog anime filler. The hell filler in kai is the biggest problem, but that was most originally put together before RoF was actually a thing, and it was just there to fill in the episode time.
The super anime is like a weird fusion of kai and the manga. It seems to consider kai filler canon, except for the hell scene.

[ZombieVito]

Honestly, I'd rather just follow from anime to movie because it's the easiest way of looking at the whole situation.

The last major story arc for the DBS story was the anime's Tournament of Power, so the next major story arc is the movie.

In all likelihood, Toriyama doesn't care what toes he steps on with regards to consistency with the established main continuities. However, when it comes to seriously scaling things, we can't really just stick to the movie alone; it's unfeasible, complicated, and really unnecessary when we have a perfectly good direct story continuation to use until we get clarification later on.

SSB = SSB, SSG = SSG, and SS = SS. Nice, easy, to the point.

The thing is the movie can't fit with the anime since SS Broly isnt even 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.

Isntead of running away, they would have just one shotted him with Kaioken X10/Evolution.

[Miracles]

Honestly, I'd rather just follow from anime to movie because it's the easiest way of looking at the whole situation.

The last major story arc for the DBS story was the anime's Tournament of Power, so the next major story arc is the movie.

In all likelihood, Toriyama doesn't care what toes he steps on with regards to consistency with the established main continuities. However, when it comes to seriously scaling things, we can't really just stick to the movie alone; it's unfeasible, complicated, and really unnecessary when we have a perfectly good direct story continuation to use until we get clarification later on.

SSB = SSB, SSG = SSG, and SS = SS. Nice, easy, to the point.

The thing is the movie can't fit with the anime since SS Broly isnt even 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.

Isntead of running away, they would have just one shotted him with Kaioken X10/Evolution.

How do you know that? Especially in Toriyama's outline alone, his Super Saiyan Blue can fight a merged Zamas head up.

[ZombieVito]

Honestly, I'd rather just follow from anime to movie because it's the easiest way of looking at the whole situation.

The last major story arc for the DBS story was the anime's Tournament of Power, so the next major story arc is the movie.

In all likelihood, Toriyama doesn't care what toes he steps on with regards to consistency with the established main continuities. However, when it comes to seriously scaling things, we can't really just stick to the movie alone; it's unfeasible, complicated, and really unnecessary when we have a perfectly good direct story continuation to use until we get clarification later on.

SSB = SSB, SSG = SSG, and SS = SS. Nice, easy, to the point.

The thing is the movie can't fit with the anime since SS Broly isnt even 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.

Isntead of running away, they would have just one shotted him with Kaioken X10/Evolution.

How do you know that? Especially in Toriyama's outline alone, his Super Saiyan Blue can fight a merged Zamas head up.

Simple math.

Ikari Broly was weaker than Blue Goku (Goku wasnt even fresh btw) and that transformation is 10 times base. Super Saiyan is 50 times base.

So Broly can't even be 5 times as strong as a result.

[HeroR]

To conclude it follows the manga more because there's "less of a power jump" is entirely arbitrary. You don't really have much of a way of actually quantifying that to be true. If anything, the jump in forms is bigger in the manga because Goku told Toppo that SSG was on a completely different level from his other forms, and in the anime post-ritual SSG is clearly a fairly modest boost over SSJ3. Also, MSSB is superior in power to normal SSB, otherwise Goku would have never been able to fight Merged Zamasu as a MSSB. He got wrecked as a normal SSB, and then was doing alright against Merged Zamasu as a MSSB.

In the anime Goku and Vegeta left Frieza in the dust though with their new power ups, while in the manga they seemed more or less just a bit above Frieza. And in regards to the SSG power up, in the Hit fight in the manga Goku went base, to ssj, to SSG similar to how he they did in this movie, and the power scaling seemed to be similar. Without given multipliers it's all just guessing though.
You could even arguably say that the form they used in the Broly movie was the new powered up SSB form Vegeta learned in the manga, as that form didn't have pupils and the aura still matches up. I'm not saying I think that's what it is, but you could argue that so it lines up with the manga. We'll see in the future manga chapters, if Goku and Vegeta both use that new SSB version then I would say it may be true, but if only Vegeta uses it, or if neither of them use it, then I would disregard it.

Source is above me addressed to another poster.

I see where you are coming from with those, but they are really not definite proof of anything. It just says it's a continuation of the anime, which it is. I'm just saying it also is a continuation of the movies and manga.

Which again proves that it's in the anime. That and Bulma couldn't have just been making a bunch of secret wishes since everyone knows when Shenron is summoned. So Shenron having one wished matched the anime. Especially the manga where Shenron is never summoned against after Resurrection 'F'.

The movie flat out implied Bulma has already used the dragon balls to look younger, and nobody knew, so you using everyone noticing Shenron being summoned doesn't really work as a counter. In RoF the Frieza soldiers used the dragon balls to summon shenron, and it's not like anyone even tried to show up and stop them. They just noticed the sky go dark and went along with their day, lol.

In a battle royal, the strongest doesn't always necessary win since you can be jumped from all angles. Especially in an out all fight where everyone is about equal.

I agree, I'm just going with implied strength. Black also stated he considered Beerus to the most troublesome GoD in the manga.

That's Beerus's statement, not Whis and Beerus is known to be full of it while Whis for for the most part has a more flawless record. And Whis had no reason to lie or troll at that moment since that scene was played serious. And the manga isn't the anime and vice verse since the anime made it clear arm wrestling match god = mortal stronger than a God of Destruction.

I don't think Whis said the GoD that beat Beerus in an arm wrestle was definitely the one who has a mortal stronger than him in his universe. If I remember correctly, he just said there was a GoD that beat Beerus in an arm wrestle, and that there also happened to be a rumor of a mortal stronger than a GoD.

So did Jiren who went from being bodied by UI Goku to matching him. So they both did the same thing.

True, which is why I said Jiren could be stronger.

Resurrection 'F' doesn't have a manga version. The only thing it has is a movie promo version that isn't even complete and doesn't completely go with Super manga since Toyo overlaid Super Saiyan God Goku over base form Goku, implying that base form Goku = Super Saiyan God, yet he can used Super Saiyan God as a normal form in the manga.

Overlapping SSG with base form doesn't mean they are equal, it just means he is accessing some of his god power, and considering base Goku fought a Broly even stronger than the one who was beating back SSG Vegeta, I would say it's possible he could do that in this movie as well. Also I consider the RoF movie as the closest thing to the manga version of the events.

Super also doesn't follow Kai, since Buu Kai still had the Hell filler from Z that doesn't match Super, one of the bank robbers in the Saiyaman storyline in Super came from the manga not the anime, and Pikkon is in the end of original Kai, but never comes to mind when Goku is trying to decide who will replaced Buu.

Pikkon only showed up for a few seconds in a montage just to show Goku training in other world. It says nothing about his strength or character. He was essentially a background nobody in kai. The bank robbers from the manga don't contradict kai, that's just a manga cameo. Gregory, who actually has a big part in the anime, showing up in multiple episodes with actual dialogue, is a far more convincing argument then a background manga cameo. Bulma also mentioned the Ginyu frog anime filler. The hell filler in kai is the biggest problem, but that was most originally put together before RoF was actually a thing, and it was just there to fill in the episode time.
The super anime is like a weird fusion of kai and the manga. It seems to consider kai filler canon, except for the hell scene.

It didn’t imply that. And even if she did, why is she gathering them again months later? Also, you’re using a ‘What If’ to counter an event that we know happened in the anime which lines up with Shenron having exactly one wish left. That and everyone knew in Resurrection ‘F’ that Shenron was summoned, but they couldn’t do anything about it. Piccolo even said, “We’re in trouble”, so they really didn’t just brush it off.

Troublesome really doesn’t equal power since Black was already vastly weaker than any God of Destruction. He couldn’t even go Super Saiyan. That and Black’s line makes no sense since Beerus is horrible at his job. We have Moro he eats planets and Beerus did shit to stop him. Even in the new arc, why isn’t Beerus dealing with Moro? It’s his job.

Whis never mentioned arm wrestling, that was Beerus:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRte5RF_AY

Except in the manga, Goku’s god power is in his god form, not base. And base form Goku got bodied by Broly so not really showing Goku in base is stronger than Super Saiyan God Vegeta.

It kinda does since the robbers in the manga is what key Videl in on who Saiyanman was and the flashback match the manga. So that shows it doesn’t complexly follow Kai. As for Gregory, he’s also someone Toriyama created. And that He’ll filler is a big thing showing Super isn’t directly taken from Kai. Overall, Super takes from everything except the movies.

[HeroR]

The thing is the movie can't fit with the anime since SS Broly isnt even 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.

Isntead of running away, they would have just one shotted him with Kaioken X10/Evolution.

How do you know that? Especially in Toriyama's outline alone, his Super Saiyan Blue can fight a merged Zamas head up.

Simple math.

Ikari Broly was weaker than Blue Goku (Goku wasnt even fresh btw) and that transformation is 10 times base. Super Saiyan is 50 times base.

So Broly can't even be 5 times as strong as a result.

That makes little sense unless you’re trying to say Blue Kaioken can one-shot Super Saiyan Gogeta. Narratively, Broly is stronger than Goku and Vegeta, period, which is why they needed to fuse. You really don’t need a retelling or whatever of Broly stomping Blue Kaioken to figure that out.

[ZombieVito]

Well yeah. Since SS Broly matched SS Gogeta, both of them get one shotted by Goku and Vegeta using their strongest forms.

I see no issue here.

[HeroR]

Well yeah. Since SS Broly matched SS Gogeta, both of them get one shotted by Goku and Vegeta using their strongest forms.

I see no issue here.

Narratively, that makes no sense. If Gogeta wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t have fused.

[dragon boss z]

It didn’t imply that. And even if she did, why is she gathering them again months later? Also, you’re using a ‘What If’ to counter an event that we know happened in the anime which lines up with Shenron having exactly one wish left. That and everyone knew in Resurrection ‘F’ that Shenron was summoned, but they couldn’t do anything about it. Piccolo even said, “We’re in trouble”, so they really didn’t just brush it off.

If you are really going to try and be that specific, then I'll bring up Trunks only recognizing Frieza armor from his dad's old armor, and not from the Frieza soldiers in RoF, meaning that it's a continuation of the movie events when Goten and Trunks weren't there.
Plus Bulma could have just summoned the dragon at night if she wanted to cover her tracks. I mean she is supposed to be a genius, lol.

Troublesome really doesn’t equal power since Black was already vastly weaker than any God of Destruction. He couldn’t even go Super Saiyan. That and Black’s line makes no sense since Beerus is horrible at his job. We have Moro he eats planets and Beerus did shit to stop him. Even in the new arc, why isn’t Beerus dealing with Moro? It’s his job.

Well I can't really say anything about Moro at this point, but it is weird Beerus wasn't involved, just like how he wasn't involved when Buu was killing all of the kais.

Whis never mentioned arm wrestling, that was Beerus:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRte5RF_AY

Yeah, it does seem to imply that it's Belmod if those subs are correct.

Except in the manga, Goku’s god power is in his god form, not base. And base form Goku got bodied by Broly so not really showing Goku in base is stronger than Super Saiyan God Vegeta.

Goku put up a bit of a fight and was able to keep up speed wise for the most part, and Broly powered up right before fighting base Goku, meaning Broly was stronger than when he was fighting SSG Vegeta, not the same. Though I don't think SSG Vegeta went all out yet either. It definitely goes base<ssj<ssg no question, but the multipliers aren't that huge at this point anymore. Similar to how Goku going ssj didn't make too much of a difference when fighting Beerus.

It kinda does since the robbers in the manga is what key Videl in on who Saiyanman was and the flashback match the manga. So that shows it doesn’t complexly follow Kai. As for Gregory, he’s also someone Toriyama created. And that He’ll filler is a big thing showing Super isn’t directly taken from Kai. Overall, Super takes from everything except the movies.

Pretty much. I agree Super just takes from whatever it wants.

[HeroR]

It didn’t imply that. And even if she did, why is she gathering them again months later? Also, you’re using a ‘What If’ to counter an event that we know happened in the anime which lines up with Shenron having exactly one wish left. That and everyone knew in Resurrection ‘F’ that Shenron was summoned, but they couldn’t do anything about it. Piccolo even said, “We’re in trouble”, so they really didn’t just brush it off.

If you are really going to try and be that specific, then I'll bring up Trunks only recognizing Frieza armor from his dad's old armor, and not from the Frieza soldiers in RoF, meaning that it's a continuation of the movie events when Goten and Trunks weren't there.
Plus Bulma could have just summoned the dragon at night if she wanted to cover her tracks. I mean she is supposed to be a genius, lol.

Troublesome really doesn’t equal power since Black was already vastly weaker than any God of Destruction. He couldn’t even go Super Saiyan. That and Black’s line makes no sense since Beerus is horrible at his job. We have Moro he eats planets and Beerus did shit to stop him. Even in the new arc, why isn’t Beerus dealing with Moro? It’s his job.

Well I can't really say anything about Moro at this point, but it is weird Beerus wasn't involved, just like how he wasn't involved when Buu was killing all of the kais.

Whis never mentioned arm wrestling, that was Beerus:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRte5RF_AY

Yeah, it does seem to imply that it's Belmod if those subs are correct.

Except in the manga, Goku’s god power is in his god form, not base. And base form Goku got bodied by Broly so not really showing Goku in base is stronger than Super Saiyan God Vegeta.

Goku put up a bit of a fight and was able to keep up speed wise for the most part, and Broly powered up right before fighting base Goku, meaning Broly was stronger than when he was fighting SSG Vegeta, not the same. Though I don't think SSG Vegeta went all out yet either. It definitely goes base<ssj<ssg no question, but the multipliers aren't that huge at this point anymore. Similar to how Goku going ssj didn't make too much of a difference when fighting Beerus.

It kinda does since the robbers in the manga is what key Videl in on who Saiyanman was and the flashback match the manga. So that shows it doesn’t complexly follow Kai. As for Gregory, he’s also someone Toriyama created. And that He’ll filler is a big thing showing Super isn’t directly taken from Kai. Overall, Super takes from everything except the movies.

Pretty much. I agree Super just takes from whatever it wants.

But Trunks seen Vegeta in armor in the Battle of Gods Saga. So why would it be odd that he thinks of his dad’s armor instead of a bunch of mooks he saw over a year ago? And Bulma has never been that subtle. Act that detail is really minor compared to the number of wishes Shenron has.

Which is why Black’s statement is full of it. Powerwise, any god could wipe his ass which is why he killed the Supreme Kais. In terms of being competent, Beerus just sucks. Moro, Buu, Freeza, Buu’s revival, and Moro breaking out of jail all happened and Beerus did jack. That’s what killed him in the manga of Future Trunks’ timeline, so in what context is Beerus is the most troublesome?

Super Saiyan God ritual is not as strong as the Super Saiyan God Goku and Vegeta used now. That and in the anime, Super Saiyan God is still a clear power difference from the golden Super Saiyan forms since Jiren had to at least blocked it while he just tanked Super Saiyan 1 and 2.

[ZombieVito]

Well yeah. Since SS Broly matched SS Gogeta, both of them get one shotted by Goku and Vegeta using their strongest forms.

I see no issue here.

Narratively, that makes no sense. If Gogeta wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t have fused.

And that's precisely why the movie can't fit with the anime.

[dragon boss z]

But Trunks seen Vegeta in armor in the Battle of Gods Saga. So why would it be odd that he thinks of his dad’s armor instead of a bunch of mooks he saw over a year ago?

So he wouldn't realize they were Frieza soldiers if people wearing Frieza armor invaded his house? The group of people invading his planet with those armor wouldn't leave more of an impression on him than his dad's old clothes? And the BoG saga tool place even further back. Basically if he knew about Frieza soldiers he shouldn't have said what he said. You can chalk it up to them forgetting, but I'm willing to bet the dragon only granted one wish becaues that's what Toriyama wrote, he probably doesn't even remember ep 68, lmao.

Which is why Black’s statement is full of it. Powerwise, any god could wipe his ass which is why he killed the Supreme Kais. In terms of being competent, Beerus just sucks. Moro, Buu, Freeza, Buu’s revival, and Moro breaking out of jail all happened and Beerus did jack. That’s what killed him in the manga of Future Trunks’ timeline, so in what context is Beerus is the most troublesome?

True, though I don't really see why he would kill Frieza, because tbh Frieza has done things just as bad.

Super Saiyan God ritual is not as strong as the Super Saiyan God Goku and Vegeta used now. That and in the anime, Super Saiyan God is still a clear power difference from the golden Super Saiyan forms since Jiren had to at least blocked it while he just tanked Super Saiyan 1 and 2.

There is definitely a noticeable power difference, just not a crazy one.

[HeroR]

Well yeah. Since SS Broly matched SS Gogeta, both of them get one shotted by Goku and Vegeta using their strongest forms.

I see no issue here.

Narratively, that makes no sense. If Gogeta wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t have fused.

And that's precisely why the movie can't fit with the anime.

It does. Them not using their higher forms doesn’t change the fact that they needed Gogeta to win.

[HeroR]

But Trunks seen Vegeta in armor in the Battle of Gods Saga. So why would it be odd that he thinks of his dad’s armor instead of a bunch of mooks he saw over a year ago?

So he wouldn't realize they were Frieza soldiers if people wearing Frieza armor invaded his house? The group of people invading his planet with those armor wouldn't leave more of an impression on him than his dad's old clothes? And the BoG saga tool place even further back. Basically if he knew about Frieza soldiers he shouldn't have said what he said. You can chalk it up to them forgetting, but I'm willing to bet the dragon only granted one wish becaues that's what Toriyama wrote, he probably doesn't even remember ep 68, lmao.

Which is why Black’s statement is full of it. Powerwise, any god could wipe his ass which is why he killed the Supreme Kais. In terms of being competent, Beerus just sucks. Moro, Buu, Freeza, Buu’s revival, and Moro breaking out of jail all happened and Beerus did jack. That’s what killed him in the manga of Future Trunks’ timeline, so in what context is Beerus is the most troublesome?

True, though I don't really see why he would kill Frieza, because tbh Frieza has done things just as bad.

Super Saiyan God ritual is not as strong as the Super Saiyan God Goku and Vegeta used now. That and in the anime, Super Saiyan God is still a clear power difference from the golden Super Saiyan forms since Jiren had to at least blocked it while he just tanked Super Saiyan 1 and 2.

There is definitely a noticeable power difference, just not a crazy one.

He saw Freeza soldiers once in his life compared to always seeing his dad I armor. So I don’t find it odd, especially if he doesn’t know Freeza’s Empire was revived since the last time he checked, they all got wiped out. Even in the end of the anime, we don’t even know if he knows Freeza was even revived. Also, even Toriyama knows Shenron grants two wishes based on Resurrection ‘F’.

Freeza is an evil mortal who abused the knowledge of the gods. As Gowasu pointed out, it’s the God of Destruction’s job to kill such mortals. So Beerus really should have killed Freeza. Instead, he more or less enable him.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

You know, I've been seeing a lot of people say that SS Ikari Broly is only like 5 times stronger than SSB Goku and Vegeta.

I'm here wondering......... why?

Watching the film, I got the impression that, whilst Ikari Broly was slowly losing against SSB Goku, it wasn't because he was weaker, but because Goku was exactly as strong as him but simply a better fighter. Afterwards, he turns Super Saiyan.

It's treated as a MASSIVE boost, about as massive as 50 times should be. I'm not seeing where people are getting "only 5 times stronger" from.

[ZombieVito]

Narratively, that makes no sense. If Gogeta wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t have fused.

And that's precisely why the movie can't fit with the anime.

It does. Them not using their higher forms doesn’t change the fact that they needed Gogeta to win.

It does since SSB KKx10/Evolution >> SS Broly.

[PFM18]

Narratively, that makes no sense. If Gogeta wasn’t needed, they wouldn’t have fused.

And that's precisely why the movie can't fit with the anime.

It does. Them not using their higher forms doesn’t change the fact that they needed Gogeta to win.

Their higher forms were not even acknowledged whatsoever, obviously indicating this does not take place in the anime continuity. Goku and Vegeta wouldn't have resorted to fusion until they exhausted their other options. In this version of their story, they don't have higher forms as other options.

And no, those two quotes you gave dont even remotely indicate this takes place in the anime continuity. They are very obviously reached of outlandish proportions, but Marlowe already went into detail on that.

[Miracles]

The thing is the movie can't fit with the anime since SS Broly isnt even 5 times as strong as Blue Goku.

Isntead of running away, they would have just one shotted him with Kaioken X10/Evolution.

How do you know that? Especially in Toriyama's outline alone, his Super Saiyan Blue can fight a merged Zamas head up.

Simple math.

Ikari Broly was weaker than Blue Goku (Goku wasnt even fresh btw) and that transformation is 10 times base. Super Saiyan is 50 times base.

So Broly can't even be 5 times as strong as a result.

Even the anime with it's original forms for Goku and Vegeta has to follow Toriyama's script as well. That means Broly's Ikari would still be only slightly weaker than KK Blue Goku and SSBE Vegeta since Blue Goku was only slightly above Ikari Broly in the movie. Due to Toriyama's plot, SSJ Broly would be way above Blue KK and SSBE Vegeta in the anime just like he was against Blue Goku and Vegeta in the movie.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

The way I see it, Ikari Broly was pretty much even with SSB Goku, then he got 50 times stronger with Super Saiyan.

Even with Kaioken and Evolution, the 2 of them working together wouldn't have been enough to overcome that 50 times difference, thus necessitating Gogeta.

As we see, SS Gogeta is plenty to match up with SS Ikari Broly.

[HeroR]

And that's precisely why the movie can't fit with the anime.

It does. Them not using their higher forms doesn’t change the fact that they needed Gogeta to win.

Their higher forms were not even acknowledged whatsoever, obviously indicating this does not take place in the anime continuity. Goku and Vegeta wouldn't have resorted to fusion until they exhausted their other options. In this version of their story, they don't have higher forms as other options.

And no, those two quotes you gave dont even remotely indicate this takes place in the anime continuity. They are very obviously reached of outlandish proportions, but Marlowe already went into detail on that.

It really not when the director talked about a plot point from the anime, Toriyama talked about continuing the anime, and one of the major plot points relates to the anime.

So Goku and Vegeta not using their higher forms is a none issue since the narration is always going to be ‘Goku and Vegeta are not strong enough, they need to fuse’. So really don’t need Broly smashing Blue Kaioken to get that point across.