The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

Can FPSSJ Goku (50%) tank Vegeta's Final Flash?

Tenshinhan's multi form at the 23ed tournament. Who is the strongest character just one of those copies could beat?

Probably 50% Daimao.

Didn't each form split his power? That would make 23rd Tien over twice as strong as King Piccolo.
We know BOZ Tien was at 250, and 1/4 of that would be 62.5. One of the wouldn't even be able to beat base Roshi at 50% which is 69.5. So just going by the manga, and not even the guides, that doesn't add up.

The manga's own power levels don't add up. The Goku who fought Piccolo was a little stronger than Tenshinhan who was considerably superior to Roshi, yet Piccolo completely destroyed him without even using half his power. Then Piccolo became young again and got a huge power boost, yet once Goku drank the water he surpassed even this level. Then 3 years later Tenshinhan becomes superior to this Goku since he is able to outmatch Weighted Goku who has the same speed and even greater strength than the Goku of 3 years ago.

If Tenshinhan's power level is only 250 then Roshi who is at 139 should have been strong enough to beat Old Piccolo.

[nickzambuto]

Can FPSSJ Goku (50%) tank Vegeta's Final Flash?

Tenshinhan's multi form at the 23ed tournament. Who is the strongest character just one of those copies could beat?

Probably 50% Daimao.

Didn't each form split his power? That would make 23rd Tien over twice as strong as King Piccolo.
We know BOZ Tien was at 250, and 1/4 of that would be 62.5. One of the wouldn't even be able to beat base Roshi at 50% which is 69.5. So just going by the manga, and not even the guides, that doesn't add up.

You're putting too much focus on power levels. They never add up and they don't scale linearly.

[dragonball0900]

Saiyan arc : Tenshinhan vs Kuririn

Tenshinhan wins. Considering the official numbers have Tien above Krillin. Tien also has a lot of techniques and tactics. Krillin has them too, but I think Tien has a lot more that would give him the edge.

Third Form Coola V Fourth Form Freeza

Frieza wins easily. Cooler's final form is weaker than Frieza's. Cooler only surpasses Frieza in his new transformation.

Tenshinhan's multi form at the 23ed tournament. Who is the strongest character just one of those copies could beat?

Probably 21st Roshi, if we go by numbers. If we ignore the numbers then I don't know, probably 22nd Goku and Tien.

Can FPSSJ Goku (50%) tank Vegeta's Final Flash?

Maybe. Considering 50% Goku was stated to be above USSJ Trunks, who was above Initial Perfect Cell in strenght. Maybe Goku has some chance on tanking the blast, but he would probably be with scratches and would be a bit exhausted.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Maybe. Considering 50% Goku was stated to be above USSJ Trunks, who was above Initial Perfect Cell in strenght. Maybe Goku has some chance on tanking the blast, but he would probably be with scratches and would be a bit exhausted.

Personally I think he can do it pretty easily, remember there's Buff Cell who's even stronger than Trunks.

[dragonball0900]

Maybe. Considering 50% Goku was stated to be above USSJ Trunks, who was above Initial Perfect Cell in strenght. Maybe Goku has some chance on tanking the blast, but he would probably be with scratches and would be a bit exhausted.

Personally I think he can do it pretty easily, remember there's Buff Cell who's even stronger than Trunks.

Well yeah maybe, although I think that would ruin my numbers I put for them. For instance, I have

ASSJ Vegeta - 1,125,000,000

Initial Perfect Cell - 1,350,000,000

USSJ Trunks - 1,400,000,000

50% Goku - 1,500,000,000

I think Buff Cell would be around 1,450,000,000 for that to fit. We can also remember that Buff Cell's increase is not as big as Trunks's USSJ increase. I'd say the strenght of the Final Flash would probably be somewhere between USSJ Trunks to Buff Cell strenght. Enough for the Final Flash to damage Initial Perfect Cell, but not able to do it to Goku. Maybe he wouldn't get that exhausted, but I still think he would get some scratches, and would somewhat struggle to tank it. Probably somewhat like how Tien's kikoho damaged Nappa, but still survived easily.

[dragon boss z]

Can FPSSJ Goku (50%) tank Vegeta's Final Flash?


Probably 50% Daimao.

Didn't each form split his power? That would make 23rd Tien over twice as strong as King Piccolo.
We know BOZ Tien was at 250, and 1/4 of that would be 62.5. One of the wouldn't even be able to beat base Roshi at 50% which is 69.5. So just going by the manga, and not even the guides, that doesn't add up.

The manga's own power levels don't add up. The Goku who fought Piccolo was a little stronger than Tenshinhan who was considerably superior to Roshi, yet Piccolo completely destroyed him without even using half his power. Then Piccolo became young again and got a huge power boost, yet once Goku drank the water he surpassed even this level. Then 3 years later Tenshinhan becomes superior to this Goku since he is able to outmatch Weighted Goku who has the same speed and even greater strength than the Goku of 3 years ago.

If Tenshinhan's power level is only 250 then Roshi who is at 139 should have been strong enough to beat Old Piccolo.

King Piccolo said he was about to use his full power.


Yes he said he didn't even show half of his strength after that, but he was just probably boasting. Though he probably wasn't going all out either.

The guides say King Piccolo was 220 and Goku was 180, which lines up pretty well imo. Don't see why one line from a boasting King Piccolo should throw that out the window.

And Tien may not of even been stronger than King Piccolo in the first place. Like I said earlier he might of just been faster. Though I do agree Tien would beat King Piccolo. And we should also keep in mind the Z fighters increase their strength when fighting. Tien may of been 250 at the BOZ, but his attacking power would be above that and his tri beam could of easily been over 300.
Just because King Piccolo was 260 and Tien was 250 doesn't mean much. Tien would still stomp. Goku was only 416, but his kamehameha was over 900.

[dragon boss z]

Can FPSSJ Goku (50%) tank Vegeta's Final Flash?


Probably 50% Daimao.

Didn't each form split his power? That would make 23rd Tien over twice as strong as King Piccolo.
We know BOZ Tien was at 250, and 1/4 of that would be 62.5. One of the wouldn't even be able to beat base Roshi at 50% which is 69.5. So just going by the manga, and not even the guides, that doesn't add up.

You're putting too much focus on power levels. They never add up and they don't scale linearly.

Even if they don't, I would say one of Tien's clones would take maybe base Roshi. It's not like the technique was good. Goku even said it was a mistake because it split his power too much.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Final Form Freeza (1%) vs 2nd Form Freeza

[Gog]

Final Form Freeza (1%) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Hmmm, even though they may be equal in power Finial Form Freeza is just simply far more durable than Second Form Freeza. Also one percent of 150 million would equal 1.5 million so he surpasses his second form in strength as well.

Finial Form Freeza stomps.

[dragonball0900]

Final Form Freeza (1%) vs 2nd Form Freeza

Final Form Frieza wins.

I have Second Form Frieza at 1,060,000. Which is doubling his First Form Frieza self. It still doesn't reach to 1,200,000. So Final Form Frieza wins.

[pacz360]

I assume you are one of the people who think dragon ball characters are mftl. However there are actually no light speed feats in the manga and imo buu saga top tiers were just approaching light speed. Saitama is relativistic which would put him at Buu saga tier in speed. It took Goku a whole day to go 1,000,000 km. That's just 3 times the distance of the moon. That means Saitama could of traveled that distance in under a minute. And Yamcha even in his prime isn't much above saiyan saga Goku, if at all.

Uh no piccolo ki blast was able to reach the moon in a second db characters can outpace there own ki blast and lol saitama physical strength being on par in with anyone in the buu saga hell goku back on namek was fucking up a being who could survive a planetary explosion on death's knocking door with his fists alone even before that Freeza kicked away vegeta planet busting attack with ease also buutenks smacked gohan ki blast through the earth so....caped baldy is only shit in speed.

Their is no time frame on Piccolo's moon bust. Also that scene was just PIS anywyas. Goku was calced at mach 30 on snake way. Later Goku proved he could teleport by getting Roshi's glasses, and everyone was amazed he went 10,000 km and back so quickly and knew he must of been telling the truth. That was after the namek saga. Later in the Buu saga it took base Gohan like 20 minutes to get to school. In the namek saga it took Krillin and Gohan over an hour to get to Guru's and back. Frieza and android saga Piccolo both got hit by the solar flare. Even in the Super manga Black and Zamasu got hit by it.

As for physical strength, hitting a ki blast through the planet is probably similar to Boros kicking Siatama to the moon.

And Gotenks was impressed by being able to create a giant crater. Which means regular Goten and Trunks didn't have that kind of physical strength.

Beerus and Champa are the first characters shown to be able to destroy planets with physical strikes.

And yes Frieza survived namek's explosion, but so did a bunch of rocks. Are those rocks planet level now? lol
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Android saga Krillin and Tien couldn't even knock down a big metal door.
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I will show you the progression of strength throughout dragon ball.

BOS Goku
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Some feats from the King Piccolo vs Goku fight
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Goku from the 23rd
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Goku vs Vegeta
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Zarbon throws Vegeta into the ground.
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Frieza vs everyone feats
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16 throws Cell through the ground
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Buu saga feats
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Super feats
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So as you can see the feats in the series clearly get better over time. Now if you compare the above feats with Saitama's, that would put him around Buu saga tier in physical striking power. At the lowest I would put him at ssj namek saga tier.

[Gog]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

[dragonball0900]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

Chi Chi from the 23rd Budokai wins. Roshi called her a "Master", implying she was a bit close to his power, and she manages to fight a bit with a non serious Weighted Goku better than King Chappa. And Chappa is above Tao, so that means that Chi Chi takes this.

[Steven Bloodriver]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

Chi Chi from the 23rd Budokai wins. Roshi called her a "Master", implying she was a bit close to his power, and she manages to fight a bit with a non serious Weighted Goku better than King Chappa. And Chappa is above Tao, so that means that Chi Chi takes this.

1) In the Dragon Ball Z: Lord Slug theatrical film, could False Super Saiyan Goku have won against Lord Slug if he had not dropped out of the form?

2) If Goku from the Trunks Saga, Future Gohan from his final battle in the History of Trunks Television Special, and Future Trunks also from the very same Trunks Saga as Son Goku had fought the Fourth Form of King Cold in their Super Saiyan states, would they have won against the cold-blooded King?

3) Could Legendary Super Saiyan Broly from his debute movie have stood a chance against a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Teen Gohan, and Future Trunks?

4) Would the teamwork of Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan from Dragon Ball Heroes, and Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Gotenks have been enough to defeat the likes of the movie version of the Resurrected Emperor of Evil, Golden Frieza?

5) If Vegito from the Majin Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z, had attained Super Saiyan 4, and spent 2 years training in the Room of Spirit and Time with a spunky version of the Great Saiyaman Saga Videl that had never met Gohan, would either of them be at least strong enough to compete in the Tournament of Power's Exhibition Matches of the Universe Survival Saga?

6) Could an eternal Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT as a Super Saiyan God, defeat a God of Destruction?

7) Could Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black and Future Zamasu have beaten Vegito Blue?

[Gog]

1) Ball Z: Lord Slug[/i] theatrical film, could False Super Saiyan Goku have won against Lord Slug if he had not dropped out of the form?

Yes Goku would have defeated Slug, easily.

2) If Goku from the Trunks Saga, Future Gohan from his final battle in the History of Trunks Television Special, and Future Trunks also from the very same Trunks Saga as Son Goku had fought the Fourth Form of King Cold in their Super Saiyan states, would they have won against the cold-blooded King?

Okay let's bring in some numbers here and I suppose you're referring to King Cold from the anime yes? 150 Million times by three and then times by fifty = 22500 Billion, he effortlessly crushes the Super Saiyans like flies.

3) Could Legendary Super Saiyan Broly from his debute movie have stood a chance against a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Teen Gohan, and Future Trunks?

No, Broly would have been crushed.

4) Would the teamwork of Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan from Dragon Ball Heroes, and Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Gotenks have been enough to defeat the likes of the movie version of the Resurrected Emperor of Evil, Golden Frieza?

There is simply no way in hell that they could ever manage to defeat Ultimate Evolution Freeza.

5) If Vegito from the Majin Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z, had attained Super Saiyan 4, and spent 2 years training in the Room of Spirit and Time with a spunky version of the Great Saiyaman Saga Videl that had never met Gohan, would either of them be at least strong enough to compete in the Tournament of Power's Exhibition Matches of the Universe Survival Saga?

No. Vegito would not have grown stronger, Goku and Vegeta had both nearly hit their limits.

6) Could an eternal Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT as a Super Saiyan God, defeat a God of Destruction?

Depends on which God Of Destruction, I could see him beating Sidra.

7) Could Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black and Future Zamasu have beaten Vegito Blue?

Unless Goku Black suddenly learns how to use Kaio Ken, then no.

[Steven Bloodriver]

1) Ball Z: Lord Slug[/i] theatrical film, could False Super Saiyan Goku have won against Lord Slug if he had not dropped out of the form?

Yes Goku would have defeated Slug, easily.

2) If Goku from the Trunks Saga, Future Gohan from his final battle in the History of Trunks Television Special, and Future Trunks also from the very same Trunks Saga as Son Goku had fought the Fourth Form of King Cold in their Super Saiyan states, would they have won against the cold-blooded King?

Okay let's bring in some numbers here and I suppose you're referring to King Cold from the anime yes? 150 Million times by three and then times by fifty = 22500 Billion, he effortlessly crushes the Super Saiyans like flies.

3) Could Legendary Super Saiyan Broly from his debute movie have stood a chance against a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Teen Gohan, and Future Trunks?

No, Broly would have been crushed.

4) Would the teamwork of Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan from Dragon Ball Heroes, and Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Gotenks have been enough to defeat the likes of the movie version of the Resurrected Emperor of Evil, Golden Frieza?

There is simply no way in hell that they could ever manage to defeat Ultimate Evolution Freeza.

5) If Vegito from the Majin Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z, had attained Super Saiyan 4, and spent 2 years training in the Room of Spirit and Time with a spunky version of the Great Saiyaman Saga Videl that had never met Gohan, would either of them be at least strong enough to compete in the Tournament of Power's Exhibition Matches of the Universe Survival Saga?

No. Vegito would not have grown stronger, Goku and Vegeta had both nearly hit their limits.

6) Could an eternal Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT as a Super Saiyan God, defeat a God of Destruction?

Depends on which God Of Destruction, I could see him beating Sidra.

7) Could Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black and Future Zamasu have beaten Vegito Blue?

Unless Goku Black suddenly learns how to use Kaio Ken, then no.

1) Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan (if he had made a testament to training with Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Kicker Basil.

2) Ultimate Gohan (Majin Buu Saga) vs. Lavender.

[Gog]

1) Ball Z: Lord Slug[/i] theatrical film, could False Super Saiyan Goku have won against Lord Slug if he had not dropped out of the form?

Yes Goku would have defeated Slug, easily.

2) If Goku from the Trunks Saga, Future Gohan from his final battle in the History of Trunks Television Special, and Future Trunks also from the very same Trunks Saga as Son Goku had fought the Fourth Form of King Cold in their Super Saiyan states, would they have won against the cold-blooded King?

Okay let's bring in some numbers here and I suppose you're referring to King Cold from the anime yes? 150 Million times by three and then times by fifty = 22500 Billion, he effortlessly crushes the Super Saiyans like flies.

3) Could Legendary Super Saiyan Broly from his debute movie have stood a chance against a Super Saiyan 2 Goku, Teen Gohan, and Future Trunks?

No, Broly would have been crushed.

4) Would the teamwork of Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Goku, Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan from Dragon Ball Heroes, and Super Saiyan 3 Xeno Gotenks have been enough to defeat the likes of the movie version of the Resurrected Emperor of Evil, Golden Frieza?

There is simply no way in hell that they could ever manage to defeat Ultimate Evolution Freeza.

5) If Vegito from the Majin Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Z, had attained Super Saiyan 4, and spent 2 years training in the Room of Spirit and Time with a spunky version of the Great Saiyaman Saga Videl that had never met Gohan, would either of them be at least strong enough to compete in the Tournament of Power's Exhibition Matches of the Universe Survival Saga?

No. Vegito would not have grown stronger, Goku and Vegeta had both nearly hit their limits.

6) Could an eternal Gogeta from Dragon Ball GT as a Super Saiyan God, defeat a God of Destruction?

Depends on which God Of Destruction, I could see him beating Sidra.

7) Could Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black and Future Zamasu have beaten Vegito Blue?

Unless Goku Black suddenly learns how to use Kaio Ken, then no.

1) Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan (if he had made a testament to training with Piccolo for the 7 years following the Cell Games) vs. Kicker Basil.

Basil loses. He was losing to Buu.

2) Ultimate Gohan (Majin Buu Saga) vs. Lavender.

Hmm, don't know much about Lavender to understand who would win this battle.

[TheUltimateNinja]

2) Ultimate Gohan (Majin Buu Saga) vs. Lavender.

Hmm, don't know much about Lavender to understand who would win this battle.

Lavender gets destroyed, he can't even beat SSJ Gohan, let alone Ultimate Gohan.

[dragon boss z]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

Tao

[dragon boss z]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

Chi Chi from the 23rd Budokai wins. Roshi called her a "Master", implying she was a bit close to his power, and she manages to fight a bit with a non serious Weighted Goku better than King Chappa. And Chappa is above Tao, so that means that Chi Chi takes this.