The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dragonball0900]

ChiChi V Mercenary Tao

Chi Chi from the 23rd Budokai wins. Roshi called her a "Master", implying she was a bit close to his power, and she manages to fight a bit with a non serious Weighted Goku better than King Chappa. And Chappa is above Tao, so that means that Chi Chi takes this.

What if it's just my opinion on the matter based on various statements during the manga? Why do you overrate Tao so much? (don't answer me, I already know what you will say). I also don't want to have a second debate of Chappa vs Tao since I already try it before. You think Tao is stronger, I think Chappa is stronger. I will stand with my decision of who is stronger than who, and it will still stand.

[Hellspawn28]

Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. Zamasu from Goku's timeline (The one that Beerus killed)
Basil (Normal form) vs. Tagoma (Super)
Lavender vs. Final Form Frost (Equal Power Levels)
Piccolo (Champa Saga) vs. Botamo
Lavender vs. Janemba
Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. 4th form ROF Freeza
Giant Bergamo vs. SSjB Vegeta

No outside help in any of these fights. How do these matches go?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. Zamasu from Goku's timeline (The one that Beerus killed)
Basil (Normal form) vs. Tagoma (Super)
Lavender vs. Final Form Frost (Equal Power Levels)
Piccolo (Champa Saga) vs. Botamo
Lavender vs. Janemba
Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. 4th form ROF Freeza
Giant Bergamo vs. SSjB Vegeta

No outside help in any of these fights. How do these matches go?

-I'd give it to Zamasu after a hard fight.

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

-Lavender has better techniques, he takes it without too much difficulty unless Frost cheats.

-Botamo wins.

-Bergamo gets oneshotted.

-Vegeta loses badly.

[dragon boss z]

What if it's just my opinion on the matter based on various statements during the manga? Why do you overrate Tao so much? (don't answer me, I already know what you will say). I also don't want to have a second debate of Chappa vs Tao since I already try it before. You think Tao is stronger, I think Chappa is stronger. I will stand with my decision of who is stronger than who, and it will still stand.

I was just trying to be funny. But you should say you think Chappa is stronger, whenever you say it you say it as it's a fact. And I don't overate Tao. I think 21st Roshi would beat him even though plenty of people think Tao would beat 21st Roshi. I just don't think Chappa is that strong.

[dragon boss z]

Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. Zamasu from Goku's timeline (The one that Beerus killed)

Zamasu probably. He has special god powers, plus Goku went ssj2 against him. Base Goku could of arguably beat Bergamo before he started getting bigger.

Basil (Normal form) vs. Tagoma (Super)

Probably Basil.

Lavender vs. Final Form Frost (Equal Power Levels)

Frost.

Piccolo (Champa Saga) vs. Botamo

Piccolo is stronger, though not sure if he could kill Botamo. Maybe the special beam canon would work.

Lavender vs. Janemba

Janemba

Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. 4th form ROF Freeza

Probably Frieza.

Giant Bergamo vs. SSjB Vegeta

Vegeta if he fights smart.

[dragon boss z]

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

[TheUltimateNinja]

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Even Cell Games Goku would destroy Piccolo.

[dragon boss z]

Ya I know that. Some people think Piccolo is above Buu level now too. And a lot of people go off the line of Gohan saying that Tagoma might be as strong as his max or something, thinking that means Tagoma is mystic Gohan level, but that wouldn't make sense since a weakened Goku stomped him. But it really doesn't make sense at all that after 4 months of getting beat up Tagoma got as strong as he did. He should of stayed below first form Frieza (namek) level.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Sidra vs Toppo

[Zamasu55]

Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. Zamasu from Goku's timeline (The one that Beerus killed)
Basil (Normal form) vs. Tagoma (Super)
Lavender vs. Final Form Frost (Equal Power Levels)
Piccolo (Champa Saga) vs. Botamo
Lavender vs. Janemba
Bergamo (Normal size and no growing) vs. 4th form ROF Freeza
Giant Bergamo vs. SSjB Vegeta

No outside help in any of these fights. How do these matches go?

1. Zamasu wins.
2. I think they're both Perfect Cell tier. Could go either way.
3. I think Frost's poison's better than Lavenda's. He wins.
4. Piccolo can't hurt him at all. Neither can Botamo. Draw.
5. Janemba (final form) one-shots.
6. Bergamo is about even with Base Goku, without God-ki. Frieza one-shots.
7. No clue. Giant Bergamo went from being stomped by Ssj Goku to countering SsjB Kk Goku's kamehameha. I've got no clue at all.

[Zamasu55]

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

[Beyond]

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

[pacz360]

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

[pacz360]

Sidra vs Toppo

Sides is that even a question

[dragon boss z]

-Basil easily. Judging by his performance against Buu I'd say he's almost Super Perfect Cell level.

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Ya, but the thing is Toei forgot how strong Piccolo was. Later in the U6 arc Piccolo did even better against final form Frost than he did against Tagoma, and even first form Frost should be stronger than Tagoma.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

Piccolo wasn't supposed to be weaker, Toei just forgot how strong he was. Same reason in RoF they had Frieza say he wold reach a power level of 1.3 million. Not to mention Piccolo had trouble with Shisami in the movie, who was confirmed to be Zarbon level and they never stated he trained. Toei doesn't do their research. They even had Beerus say that current ssj Goku was barely above namek Frieza. Toei has no idea what they are doing when it comes to power scaling.

But lets say they knew Piccolo was stronger than 100% Frieza and they wanted Tagoma stronger than him anywyas. That puts Tagoma at semi perfect to perfect Cell level.

[pacz360]

I've seen people say Tagoma is stronger than Buu, lol. And tbh I think the reason Tagoma stomped Piccolo so bad was because Toei just forgot how strong Piccolo was. They probably didn't even realize they made Tagoma stronger than namek Frieza. But taking the stomping Piccolo feat seriously I would say that puts Tagoma at perfect Cell level, and I think base Basil is around perfect Cell to ssj Buu saga level so I do think Basil would win.

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Ya, but the thing is Toei forgot how strong Piccolo was. Later in the U6 arc Piccolo did even better against final form Frost than he did against Tagoma, and even first form Frost should be stronger than Tagoma.

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

Piccolo wasn't supposed to be weaker, Toei just forgot how strong he was. Same reason in RoF they had Frieza say he wold reach a power level of 1.3 million. Not to mention Piccolo had trouble with Shisami in the movie, who was confirmed to be Zarbon level and they never stated he trained. Toei doesn't do their research. They even had Beerus say that current ssj Goku was barely above namek Frieza. Toei has no idea what they are doing when it comes to power scaling.

But lets say they knew Piccolo was stronger than 100% Frieza and they wanted Tagoma stronger than him anywyas. That puts Tagoma at semi perfect to perfect Cell level.

that 1.3 mil crap was only in the movie not in the tv version
Show me beerus saiying current ssj goku was barely above freeza cause I'm pretty sure that shit was taken outta of context just like numerous of things in this series
Shisami was confirmed to be Zarbon tier at the start of the movie never on earth.

[Beyond]

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

In the arc before Beerus makes it seem like the base saiyans are below Frieza. Gohan has lost his ability to reliably turn super saiyan, so I assume all his mystic power are gone as well(even after training his still can't access it fully.). He would therefore have to be weaker than base Goku in battle of Gods, who is weaker than Frieza. 18 was also kept out of the fight despite being stronger than most of the people there(18 power level never drops, so we assume she wasn't nerfed). 18 probably would have handled Togoma. Piccolo also can barely fight the soldiers,even an out of shape base Gohan does better. Hell Gohan himself most be weak as crap as well. How can he barely go SSJ. He must be weaker than Goten by a lot. If Rof was taken out super, everything makes a lot more sense.

[dragon boss z]

Tagoma stomped Piccolo because he was much stronger than him.

Ya, but the thing is Toei forgot how strong Piccolo was. Later in the U6 arc Piccolo did even better against final form Frost than he did against Tagoma, and even first form Frost should be stronger than Tagoma.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

Piccolo wasn't supposed to be weaker, Toei just forgot how strong he was. Same reason in RoF they had Frieza say he wold reach a power level of 1.3 million. Not to mention Piccolo had trouble with Shisami in the movie, who was confirmed to be Zarbon level and they never stated he trained. Toei doesn't do their research. They even had Beerus say that current ssj Goku was barely above namek Frieza. Toei has no idea what they are doing when it comes to power scaling.

But lets say they knew Piccolo was stronger than 100% Frieza and they wanted Tagoma stronger than him anywyas. That puts Tagoma at semi perfect to perfect Cell level.

that 1.3 mil crap was only in the movie not in the tv version
Show me beerus saiying current ssj goku was barely above freeza cause I'm pretty sure that shit was taken outta of context just like numerous of things in this series
Shisami was confirmed to be Zarbon tier at the start of the movie never on earth.

The movie version was made by the same people, and they actually put more time and effort into the movie version.
In King Kai's planet after going ssj in the sub Beerus said Frieza is about the best you could do. In the dub he says you must of had a hard fight, implying he was barely better. Either way it doesn't make the most sense.
And as for Shisami's power, if he wasn't stated to have trained, there is no reason to think he got stronger, or at least not too much stronger. If he got stronger they most likely would of stated something like they did with Tagoma. It's pretty clear Toei just doesn't know what they are doing. I obviously want the show to make sense too, but Toei isn't trying, and that is clear.

[dragon boss z]

Piccolo was definitely nerfed to below namek Frieza in that arc. Tagoma ain't anything special.

Proof? It was never started piccolo gotten weaker in that arc whatsoever so don't give me any bs crap about him being beat by a Zarbon tier fighter.

In the arc before Beerus makes it seem like the base saiyans are below Frieza. Gohan has lost his ability to reliably turn super saiyan, so I assume all his mystic power are gone as well(even after training his still can't access it fully.). He would therefore have to be weaker than base Goku in battle of Gods, who is weaker than Frieza. 18 was also kept out of the fight despite being stronger than most of the people there(18 power level never drops, so we assume she wasn't nerfed). 18 probably would have handled Togoma. Piccolo also can barely fight the soldiers,even an out of shape base Gohan does better. Hell Gohan himself most be weak as crap as well. How can he barely go SSJ. He must be weaker than Goten by a lot. If Rof was taken out super, everything makes a lot more sense.

And in the movie version Gohan says he might even have problems with Frieza's men, and when explaining to Bulma how dangerous Frieza was he stated it took his dad everything he had on Namek to win and Frieza has gotten stronger so he can't win, implying that he isn't much stronger than Namek Goku, lol.

[Noah]

Who's the strongest character Bergamo with and without his growing abillity can defeat?